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Close only counts in hand grenades and nuclear bombs. And I repeat, McVey was a Christian. Are all Chrisitans tainted? The Klan is Christian. Are all Christians tainted? You have no more reason to be insulted by Muslims than you do Christians.
And I am not misrepresenting anything. There is nothing to support the claims of opposition to this Iman either. You have to misread his comments to get their. A Beckish type misreading. And to be insulted, you have to cnsider all muslims equa to Al Qaeda. Much like someone would have to paint all Christians as McVey or the Klan. There is no real around that.
The most glaring problem with your comment, is that it is a mosque. They will be building a mosque at that location. Once construction is complete, a mosque will exist. Muslims will be entering the building with the specific purpose of praying and worshiping their God, the very definition of a mosque. There will, of course, be other facilities at that location in addition to the mosque, But the talking point that it is not a mosque is just silly.
Absolutely. And if the Klan bombed a, lets say, black day care center in the name of Christianity, I'd say it'd be pretty tactless to then turn around and try to build a Church near it that's specifically trying to tie itself to those attacks by trying to "build bridges" that the attack torre down while having a great deal of protests from Blacks who find it disrespectful to the memory of the dead.
It's a community centre where anyone can go... do Muslims go into Christain Churches or Synagogues and start praying? I mean if you REALLY REALLY feel that you have to go pray in a Muslim Prayer Room be my guest Jet Pack.
Does it matter? I Mean surely ANY muslim place of worship COULD teach Sharia Law, why not tear them all down?
Except you didn't use my logic, in the least. You made one statement that was HIGHLY questionable in accuracy and even if it was true has NO facts to back it up as being motivation in the least for his attacks. Your second one doesn't disprove or counter what I said, simply reenforces it. Your third is worthless generalization that has nothing to do with what I did.
I SPECIFICALLY was highlighting how specifically these individuals and those they were tied to were SPECIFICALLY motivated, inspired, justified in their minds, and made comfortable with their methods, by their religion.
You just posted a bunch of fraudulent, irrelevant, or pointless statements.
What you're not understanding is that the fringe-right, Newt, Sean, Glenn, having been ginning this thing up and painting an false picture of Imam and the Center.
Liberals in one fashion or another have done that ever since that day in OK. That you now somehow want to weasel out of your gross generalization because it suits your argument is silly Joe.
j-mac
What part of Freedom of Religion don't you understand?
True or false - The majority of coalition forces fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are Christian.
True or false - A large number of coalition forces pray to a christian god regularly.
True or false - Some of the soldiers see themselves fighting against an evil religion(Islam).
See, using your method, I just created a holy war in the Middle East.
Two questions, How many faiths will they allow to have services in their mosque....er, uh....Community center? And, will they be teaching Shria law in that place?
j-mac
True or false - The majority of coalition forces fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are Christian.
True or false - A large number of coalition forces pray to a christian god regularly.
True or false - Some of the soldiers see themselves fighting against an evil religion(Islam).
See, using your method, I just created a holy war in the Middle East.
True or false - A large number of Muslims, including many/most prominent Muslims, condemned the 9/11 attack.
True or false - the guy proposing the mosque/community center is not in any way implicated in 9/11.
True or false - Most Muslims are not terrorist.
The problem here is that while it is possible to oppose the mosque without being bigoted(which is a stupid claim that those opposed all are), it is still opposing something for nothing greater than a kneejerk emotional reaction aimed at the wrong target.
Two questions. WTF buisness is it of yours? WTF can you do about it? Besides sitting around bitching endlessly like a liberal.
It is not a talking point. It is not a mosque. It IS an Islamic Cultural Center in question. What’s being proposed is a community center with meeting rooms, a swimming pool, a day care center and auditorium as well as space for religious services
The project was unanimously approved by the New York City board. WHY would they do that?? Seriously, stop and think. WHY would they unanimously approve it if it is what you all are believing it to be?
Would that be kinda like AL Queda bombing the WTC to protest US middle east policy?
Two questions. WTF buisness is it of yours? WTF can you do about it? Besides sitting around bitching endlessly like a liberal.
It is not a talking point. It is not a mosque. It IS an Islamic Cultural Center in question. What’s being proposed is a community center with meeting rooms, a swimming pool, a day care center and auditorium as well as space for religious services
Oh, god; you gave me my first major laugh of the day. Thank you.
You missed a lot. As those building the Mosuque are not the highjackers,
they are novated then Christans would be by the things that either the Klan or McVey were motivated by
So, when you use the highjackers use of religion, you are doing just what I presented.
What part of Freedom of Religion don't you understand?
Actually apparently you missed a lot. Quote me once where I said the people building the Mosque are the highjackers.
****ing hell. did you even read my post or are you just spewing this ignorant **** out on the fly. McVeigh is a ridiculous comparison, and I just said the a christian church would be tactless and wrong if they the Klan did something actually similar to this too.
Just because you say its what you presented doesn't make it so. You actually have to demonstrate it, which you've not. You'd know that, if you actually READ my post.
I wouldn't say it does. There is still a real ingorance to the protesting. The building isn't on ground zero,
Muslims didn't perpetrate 9/11 (al Qaeda did),
and no evidence presented has shown any rational reason for the protesting.
So I assume this egregious personal attack by you means you have nothing to contribute to the discussion? Yeah, didn't think so....buh bye now.
j-mac
Ah so if someone doesn't agree with you, you think it funny to attack them personally eh....Nice.
j-mac
Sorry, Zyph, you know it, and I know it. The truth, the facts and the law are on my side.
Newt and the far-righties have stepped in it this time, crapping on the Constitution they pretend to hold so dear.
Please read more carefully.
I clearly said, IMO, the ignorant rants of those opposing the building of the Cultural Center are watered down versions of those who may advocate vandalizing the building or worse.
Ignorance breeds fear. Fear breeds hate. Hate breeds violence.
Again, please try to make a better effort at reading and comprehending my posts before opening your mouth to reply.
I'm condemning ignorance and misinformation by the fringe-right, Newt, Sean, Glenn, and Sarah that led to the shameful protests.
Unconditional acceptance of the law -- convenient or not. That's a conservative value. That's an American value. Liberals (think about the word) want to expand the law to new meanings based on emotions.
Freedom of religion. Their God is as valid as your God.
Sorry, like it or not, I'm more 'conservative' on this issue than you are.[/b]
hahahahhahahahahahhahahahaha
Thank you for revealing your true stance as that of a bigoted xenophobe.
Ah, direct personal attack on me as a person. Wonderful, noted.
"in the Name of that religion" -- it's that level of ignorance and backward fear-think, that I condemn.
Yes, how dare I point out an actual fact. Wait, I thought you liked facts? Now you dislike facts? I'm so confused, could we get a list of when Hazlnut approves of facts and when he doesn't?
I feel sorry for you if you can't see how screwed up that thinking is.
I laugh at the notion of you feeling sorry for me.
Your false analogies are just killing your own argument.
Translation: I can't counter your argument.
No, Newt, Sarah, Sean, and Glenn are the ones that are ginning up the stupidity going into midterms.
Yep, and you're the one hypocritically bigotly condemning an entire section of people based on the actions of a few in the minority. At least, that's how you term it, "bigoted".
I know you hate to admit it, but I'm more conservative on this issue than you are.
Hold on, I need to catch my breath for this one again.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
I side with the Constitution and the law... Not LIBERAL EMOTION.
Wonderful, I side with the Constitution and the law too. Only unlike you, I'm CLEAR in saying that there should be no LAW denying them the ability to build this building. Where as YOU are the one clearly implying that the LAW should be used to silenec people protesting it as "watered down" criminals.
Look at that, Zyph is now a Liberal.
Yes, you can call me the Pope as well. Lets see how much that makes it a reality.
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