Prostitution

[Gandhi>Bush]

One should not accept money for something that one should give for free.

 

[Pacridge]

I have no need or desire to be with one. Nor do I have a need or desire to gamble, or do drugs, or jump from an airplane, or go to church, or buy designer cloths. There are just things that many of us do not desire. Some people do... good for them.

Would you "date" a prostitute?

Personally I love jumping out of airplanes. Though I broke my arm on my last jump and have promised my wife to stop the habit. Maybe she'd let me visit a hooker instead?

 

[Fantasea]

One should not accept money for something that one should give for free.

Many do give it away free, until they realize they can get paid for it.

 

[Schweddy]

Personally I love jumping out of airplanes. Though I broke my arm on my last jump and have promised my wife to stop the habit. Maybe she'd let me visit a hooker instead?

For some reason I think that jumping out of airplanes is safer - with or without the parachute.

 

[Pacridge]

For some reason I think that jumping out of airplanes is safer - with or without the parachute.

I see you've met my wife. I did jump out of a plane once without a chute- it was on the runway parked of course. I love planes and flying if a ever win the lotto or get rich I'm going to get several.

 

[Fantasea]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantasea

Must every possible offense be listed before you will acknowledge that two wrongs don't make a right? Offensive behavior is offensive behavior without regard to who the offender may be; lay person, cleric, or anything in between.

Except if the offender is divinely inspired? You keep trying to twist free from this one but I have yet to see you fully acknowledge in direct language that MANY degenerate offenses have been perpetrated under the protection of the one true church infallibly directed by God.

It's easy to say a prostitute is a "degenerate". After all she is just a lowly woman. I guess it is too difficult to say directly in public, that pervert Priests who prey upon children are . Did you learn the sidestep cover up technique from Cardinal Laws catechism on cover-up? It's very easy to call the other kettle black.

Hypocrite

Sometimes, you do sure read funny.

Read my words above and you will see that they cover all eventualities where degenerative offenses are committed.

 

[MOZO]

Welcome MOZO!

Let's see if you can follow this... with "endorsement" (aka legally sanctioned) comes regulation. To use the example that MOZO brought up (Nevada), prostitutes in state licensed brothels submit to weekly physical examinations and blood tests, paid for by the establishment. They are covered by all the normal employment laws of the state and because they are in state licensed facilities they do not have to worry about abuse from a pimp or customer. They are required to follow a health code which requires the use of condoms and antiseptics. These ladies are virtually kept disease free.

Understand? Safe sex

Contraian well said. You explained that more clearly than I could have.

That was my point, making it legal you can eliminate some of the crime and health risks out of it.

I said Las Vegas when I should have said Nevada. I stand corrected.

The fees for the medical tests, condoms etc. can be funded by the fees charged.

 

[Fantasea]

I guess the logic still escapes you. People sell their time and skills every day to the highest bidder... it's called a job. Some people feel that it is acceptable to earn their living by providing sexual services. There are obviously millions of people who patronize this service otherwise it would no longer be a viable business... that is their choice. Other people earn their living by promoting gambling or selling alcohol. According to Fant these "vices" are equally destructive. Why do you not feel that these people are equally disgusting? You have your shorts tied up in a knot. As I've said before... stop... think about the entire problem. You can disagree, it's your right, but you have no right to tell another person what they can do to earn their living.

The logic doesn't escape me, nor does the lunacy.

One hears the argument, "You can't legislate morality." I agree with that, so don't complain.

On the other hand, and in a larger sense, the mass of cowardly fools who are elected to public office manage to find more and more ways to legislate immorality for the espress purpose of raising revenue.

They understand that by appealing to the baser instincts, habits and addictions of the populace, they can bring in bucks to support much of the wasteful and inefficient programs they foist upon their constituents.

So, what the hell, the sky's the limit. Why not? The dummies they represent don't give a damn.

 

[Mixed View]

Let's fight against aids let's fight against std's, but let's let a person hump as many people as they can for money. Whooooo. Now doesn't that sound retarded.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

Other people earn their living by promoting gambling or selling alcohol.

People don't spread STD's by playing craps.

 

[Fantasea]

People don't spread STD's by playing craps.

That depends upon how how frequently and how deeply they're diddling.

 

[Repub05]

Whether my opinion is liberal or conservative, personally i think prostitution should be legalized. We might be able to control STD's a little bit better by making condoms a necessity and have it in controled environments so they don't get beat up or the horny guy doesn't wake up without his kidney.
Maybe I'm wrong but I heard somewhere that in countries where prostitution is legal, there are less crimes because guys blow their steam off through their dicks. And not to mention the money that could be made off it.

 

[Fantasea]

Whether my opinion is liberal or conservative, personally i think prostitution should be legalized. We might be able to control STD's a little bit better by making condoms a necessity and have it in controled environments so they don't get beat up or the horny guy doesn't wake up without his kidney.
Maybe I'm wrong but I heard somewhere that in countries where prostitution is legal, there are less crimes because guys blow their steam off through their dicks. And not to mention the money that could be made off it.

Spoken like a real alley cat.

If you have the time, read what it is really like.

http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/c-how-prostitution-works.html

 

[sebastiansdreams]

Whether my opinion is liberal or conservative, personally i think prostitution should be legalized. We might be able to control STD's a little bit better by making condoms a necessity and have it in controled environments so they don't get beat up or the horny guy doesn't wake up without his kidney.
Maybe I'm wrong but I heard somewhere that in countries where prostitution is legal, there are less crimes because guys blow their steam off through their dicks. And not to mention the money that could be made off it.

Yes, in countries where prostitution is legal, there is a lower crime rate. Know why? BECAUSE THE LESS YOU MAKE ILLEGAL, THE LESS PEOPLE ARE BEING ARRESTED! Again I say if we make murder and theivery legal then we will have one of the single lowest crime rates in the history of the world. But that doesn't really solve any problems now does it?

 

[Mixed View]

Whether my opinion is liberal or conservative, personally i think prostitution should be legalized. We might be able to control STD's a little bit better by making condoms a necessity and have it in controled environments so they don't get beat up or the horny guy doesn't wake up without his kidney.
Maybe I'm wrong but I heard somewhere that in countries where prostitution is legal, there are less crimes because guys blow their steam off through their dicks. And not to mention the money that could be made off it.

Yep that just solves everything doesn't it. Make prostitution legal? Do you think that all the hookers will make the guys wear condoms? The government and you have no control over that. Just because the crime rate is lower doesn't make it right. Just like abortion. I don't see how a person gives up themselves for a few dollars and you think it should be legal. America's going down the drain.

 

[puck]

not only is prostitution morally disgracing but also it hurts society it spreads disease like wildfire (even w/ protection) and lets face it also ties into drugs and other problems in society

this needs to be illegal

You have aptly pointed out the problems with illegal prostitution. Now lets assume that with legalization, 75% get regular health checks and safe sex/ birth control education. Would that not be an improvement over 100% not getting these services? STDs are not passed on when protection is used correctly.

We also need to consider the woman, with illegal prostitution, she has no legal recourse. If she is stiffed by her client, or hurt, she cannot go to a police officer and complain, her only security is a pimp. The same person that collects the lions share of her money, and may hook her on drugs to keep her in his control.

In reality, so long as there is a demand for prostitution, that demand will be filled. We can't stop prostitution by making it illegal.

Morally disgracing to whom?

 

[JOHNYJ]

Damn hypocrits, the feminists,the pro-choice crowd, all of them. Whats their battle cry.Its a womens body she can do what she wants with it ,well. Why can't she rent it ? It shows there hypocrisy,A women can kill as many babies as she wants,but. If she wants to make a living with her body thats a no,no,.It makes no sense !
Regulated prostitution like in Nevada.Would help keep down crime and the spread of STDS.

 

[cnredd]

Its a womens body she can do what she wants with it

I've never understood that.

Aren't there laws telling her that she has to wear something in public?

Aren't there laws telling her that she can't have a kidney removed to sell it on e-Bay?

Regardless of the issue(feminism, abortion), I think the "It's my body and I can do what I want" defense has gone the way of the Tasmanian Tiger...

 

[Fantasea]

In reality, so long as there is a demand for prostitution, that demand will be filled. We can't stop prostitution by making it illegal.

Morally disgracing to whom?

So what you are saying is, "If you can't fix it, forget it." With due deference to the voluntary aspect, the same argument could be made about 'pedophelia', couldn't it?

 

[puck]

So what you are saying is, "If you can't fix it, forget it." With due deference to the voluntary aspect, the same argument could be made about 'pedophelia', couldn't it?

Let me first give you credit, that's a good point.

The point isn't to forget it, but to minimize the social damage that it causes. I do not deny that there is some damage, but believe that regulation of prostitution is the better answer in this case.

Where pedophilia is concerned, the rule is still true, that where there is a demand, supply will attempt to grow to fill that niche. No we will never be free of pedophilia, or any number of other phelias out there. In this case, I believe the the social damage by legalizing pedophilia would be greater than the damage of prosecuting it.

 

[Fantasea]

Damn hypocrits, the feminists,the pro-choice crowd, all of them. Whats their battle cry.Its a womens body she can do what she wants with it ,well. Why can't she rent it ? It shows there hypocrisy,A women can kill as many babies as she wants,but. If she wants to make a living with her body thats a no,no,.It makes no sense !
Regulated prostitution like in Nevada.Would help keep down crime and the spread of STDS.

I never ceased to be amazed. The "pro" arguments remind me of a bunch of horny teen-agers in the school yard trying to figure out the best way to get a girl to drop her drawers.

This particular line from the Trojan condom website doesn't really inspire much confidence, does it?

"Using latex condoms each time and every time – the right way – can help reduce your risk of getting or giving an STD." (emphasis added)

A google search on the words -- nevada brothel stds -- turned up this bit of information at:

http://www-ugs.csusb.edu/honors/99/ca2/prosecution/pos2.html

So, if you are into craps shooting and would like to try your luck, just lay down your dough and toss the dice.

Prosecution Position Two
Medical Dangers​

In the debate over the decriminalizing prostitution, the defense argues that this intiative would prevent the transmission of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (S.T.D). This is a ludicrous claim that does not take into account the flaws in modern condoms. Other matters that must be addressed are the spread of S.T.D.'s and mental and physical disorders in which prostitutes are exposed.

Tests have been administered by Bruce Voeller Ph.D., Jerry Nelson Ph.D., Craig Day M.S. in order to test the effectivity of condoms at stopping viruses. In these tests, no condom completely blocked the spread of viruses. In fact, one particular brand of condoms failed 100% (Contracept Plus) of the time!1 (Percent Condoms Leaked) The defense will be quick to point out that the best condom only failed about 1% (Ramses non-lubricated) of the time. This may not seem life threatening, but the average Nevada brothel prostitute sees one hundred eleven clients in a month 2 (Durex). This means that even if a prostitute correctly used the very best brand of condoms, he/she would use more than one defective condom each month!.

The defense will counter this point by stating that mandatory medical screenings will prevent the spread of STD's. This simply cannot work for four reasons: first, it would be impossible for every client to be adequately screened (more than an "inspection" is needed here). Secondly, S.T.D.'s also have an incubation period. During this period there are no visual symptoms of an S.T.D., and it would not be possible to detect it by a visual inspection. This would allow for the spread of diseases to prostitutes. Second, it may be possible for a desperate prostitute to falsify his/her medical testings (remember, no tests are foolproof). Fourth, most STD's have a "window period"3 (Std) of infection. During this "window period" an STD may be undetectable for as long as six months! This could even allow an infected person to pass all medical tests as well. This could mean the transmission of a disease to over 2,000 people!4 (Durex)

There are two more medical problems associated with prostitution. Neither of these are covered as STD's, but they are serious concerns to a prostitute. The first does not have a name, but can be summed up by saying a woman's body was not designed to have this much sex. In fact some prostitutes have reported swelling and pain due to their occupation.*5 (Sisters of the Heart) The second problem is known as P.T.S.D. (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). This serious mental illness is common among war veterans, but it also effects 83% of prostitutes.6 (Farley) Of the prostitutes who have this disorder, it has been found that on the average, prostitutes suffer worse than war veterans.

The defense is trying to argue that by decriminalizing prostitution, the government would be able to control and minimize these problems. However this is untrue because prostitution would continue to exist outside of brothels. This is shown through the testimony of a prostitute who has worked as both an illegal and legal prostitute.7 (Anderson) Also, a survey has shown that 56% of prostitutes do not want legalized prostitution.8 (Farley)

In conclusion, decriminalizing prostitution will only make a bad situation worse. Instead of preventing prostitution it will only make it more socially acceptable. Illegal prostitution will continue to exist outside of brothels, and will still need to be combatted, therefore, there is no advantage to decriminalized prostitution.
*5This fact was taken from the book "The Brothel Bible" Please ask us if you would like to see the passage.

Melissa Breicha
Sarah DeHaan
Jeff Hughes
Tiffanie Wherry

 

[Fantasea]

Damn hypocrits, the feminists,the pro-choice crowd, all of them. Whats their battle cry.Its a womens body she can do what she wants with it ,well. Why can't she rent it ? It shows there hypocrisy,A women can kill as many babies as she wants,but. If she wants to make a living with her body thats a no,no,.It makes no sense !
Regulated prostitution like in Nevada.Would help keep down crime and the spread of STDS.

I never ceased to be amazed. The "pro" arguments remind me of a bunch of horny teen-agers in the school yard trying to figure out the best way to get a girl to drop her drawers.

This particular line from the Trojan condom website doesn't really inspire much confidence, does it?

"Using latex condoms each time and every time – the right way – can help reduce your risk of getting or giving an STD." (emphasis added)

A google search on the words -- nevada brothel stds -- turned up this bit of information at:

http://www-ugs.csusb.edu/honors/99/ca2/prosecution/pos2.html

So, if you are into craps shooting and would like to try your luck, just lay down your dough and toss the dice.

Prosecution Position Two
Medical Dangers​

In the debate over the decriminalizing prostitution, the defense argues that this intiative would prevent the transmission of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (S.T.D). This is a ludicrous claim that does not take into account the flaws in modern condoms. Other matters that must be addressed are the spread of S.T.D.'s and mental and physical disorders in which prostitutes are exposed.

Tests have been administered by Bruce Voeller Ph.D., Jerry Nelson Ph.D., Craig Day M.S. in order to test the effectivity of condoms at stopping viruses. In these tests, no condom completely blocked the spread of viruses. In fact, one particular brand of condoms failed 100% (Contracept Plus) of the time!1 (Percent Condoms Leaked) The defense will be quick to point out that the best condom only failed about 1% (Ramses non-lubricated) of the time. This may not seem life threatening, but the average Nevada brothel prostitute sees one hundred eleven clients in a month 2 (Durex). This means that even if a prostitute correctly used the very best brand of condoms, he/she would use more than one defective condom each month!.

The defense will counter this point by stating that mandatory medical screenings will prevent the spread of STD's. This simply cannot work for four reasons: first, it would be impossible for every client to be adequately screened (more than an "inspection" is needed here). Secondly, S.T.D.'s also have an incubation period. During this period there are no visual symptoms of an S.T.D., and it would not be possible to detect it by a visual inspection. This would allow for the spread of diseases to prostitutes. Second, it may be possible for a desperate prostitute to falsify his/her medical testings (remember, no tests are foolproof). Fourth, most STD's have a "window period"3 (Std) of infection. During this "window period" an STD may be undetectable for as long as six months! This could even allow an infected person to pass all medical tests as well. This could mean the transmission of a disease to over 2,000 people!4 (Durex)

There are two more medical problems associated with prostitution. Neither of these are covered as STD's, but they are serious concerns to a prostitute. The first does not have a name, but can be summed up by saying a woman's body was not designed to have this much sex. In fact some prostitutes have reported swelling and pain due to their occupation.*5 (Sisters of the Heart) The second problem is known as P.T.S.D. (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). This serious mental illness is common among war veterans, but it also effects 83% of prostitutes.6 (Farley) Of the prostitutes who have this disorder, it has been found that on the average, prostitutes suffer worse than war veterans.

The defense is trying to argue that by decriminalizing prostitution, the government would be able to control and minimize these problems. However this is untrue because prostitution would continue to exist outside of brothels. This is shown through the testimony of a prostitute who has worked as both an illegal and legal prostitute.7 (Anderson) Also, a survey has shown that 56% of prostitutes do not want legalized prostitution.8 (Farley)

In conclusion, decriminalizing prostitution will only make a bad situation worse. Instead of preventing prostitution it will only make it more socially acceptable. Illegal prostitution will continue to exist outside of brothels, and will still need to be combatted, therefore, there is no advantage to decriminalized prostitution.
*5This fact was taken from the book "The Brothel Bible" Please ask us if you would like to see the passage.

Melissa Breicha
Sarah DeHaan
Jeff Hughes
Tiffanie Wherry

 

[Fantasea]

Sorry for the unintentional duplicate posting.

:3oops:

 

[Naughty Nurse]

Sorry for the unintentional duplicate posting.

:3oops:

It's OK, dear, as long as you won't be charging for the second one.

 

[Fantasea]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantasea
So what you are saying is, "If you can't fix it, forget it." With due deference to the voluntary aspect, the same argument could be made about 'pedophelia', couldn't it?

Let me first give you credit, that's a good point.

Thanx. I always appreciate a compliment.

The point isn't to forget it, but to minimize the social damage that it causes. I do not deny that there is some damage, but believe that regulation of prostitution is the better answer in this case.

Where pedophilia is concerned, the rule is still true, that where there is a demand, supply will attempt to grow to fill that niche. No we will never be free of pedophilia, or any number of other phelias out there. In this case, I believe the the social damage by legalizing pedophilia would be greater than the damage of prosecuting it.

I don't wish to appear disingenuous, however, my interpretation of what you write could be condensed into, "It all depends upon whose ox is being gored."