Prosecutor's audio shows Biden's memory lapses

[Metric Mouse]

What do you mean by “gaining power”? Once elected a president has a lot of power.

Yes they do.

Which is why we need to study the people who supported Biden and the people who covered up his decline, so that in the future the people can demand someone as bad as he is removed from office.

 

[Metric Mouse]

You’re free to think he was an asshole. I’ll just disagree with that since it’s a matter of opinion.
But your claim that he is authoritarian because he “centralized power with those who agreed with him” pertains to every single president in history.

Not true. The best leaders surround themselves with people of varying opinions so that a wide range of options are presented for any situation.

Biden didn't do so. He wanted yes men, so that he could do whatever he wanted.

As for lying-everyone lies.

**** that. Buden turned it into an art form - every situation he was in, he lied.

Some people support and vote for liars.

Others have higher expectations of their elected officials.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

I don't think that is the answer.

Because if the president "fails", what happens? Same process we have - congress can boot them out. But that hasn't worked, so we need a process to prevent them from gaining power in the first place.

Oh. So government interference and surveillance of all candidates, including getting ahold of their medical records?

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

Not true. The best leaders surround themselves with people of varying opinions so that a wide range of options are presented for any situation.

Biden didn't do so. He wanted yes men, so that he could do whatever he wanted.


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Oh shit, my irony meter just exploded.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

Yes they do.

Which is why we need to study the people who supported Biden and the people who covered up his decline, so that in the future the people can demand someone as bad as he is removed from office.

Correction.

We would need to study people around any president, going forward into the future. Including the present.

Unless you only want to "study" these people after the fact, when the president may have done any untold amount of damage?

Just say it. You want to see Biden and those around him go down. This doesn't really have anything to do with waylaying an incompetent presidency, including mental incompetency and possible "dementia". If you did, you'd be screaming from the rafters for the same investigation of Trump, with his incredible amount of "forgetful" issues (right down to saying eight times during his campaign that he was running against Obama...and not ironically; one of those times, he referenced an actual event from the past; to his slurring; to his forward-pitched dementia stance and needing toe pads to stay standing behind a podium; to his extremely deranged commentary and going off on tangents; to his family history; to his "very low" periods where he speaks very slowly...and on and on).

But, yeah, nope. This isn't what you actually want.

Unfortunately, if BDS sufferers do get their way with this, it will indeed be a precedent. I mean, personally, I'm all for it. Check every president for competency. "The people around them" would only cement that, Trump's people tell him literally anything he wants to hear -- they're enablers squared. Check them all out, and protect the nation.

I'm sure you agree? If this is about protecting the nation.

 

[Ethel2]

Not true. The best leaders surround themselves with people of varying opinions so that a wide range of options are presented for any situation.

Biden didn't do so. He wanted yes men, so that he could do whatever he wanted.


**** that. Buden turned it into an art form - every situation he was in, he lied.

Some people support and vote for liars.

Others have higher expectations of their elected officials.

Name a president who doesn’t lie. In fact name a human who doesn’t lie. If you vote for a human you vote for a liar. No exceptions. It’s just a matter of degree, so get over it.
And you have no clue at all who Biden surrounded himself and what he or she said.

 

[Ethel2]

Yes they do.

Which is why we need to study the people who supported Biden and the people who covered up his decline, so that in the future the people can demand someone as bad as he is removed from office.

Yup
We need better mechanisms for removing incompetent presidents like the felon. As for blame-it’s useless. No laws were broken.
Got any realistic suggestions?

 

[jmotivator]

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1984

 

[Josie]

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1984

The same could be applied to either party. Don't be so tied to your "team" that it changes your foundation. If you change your hard-core beliefs because your party does, then you don't have hard-core beliefs - you're in a cult.

 

[party free]

Trump didn't look like he had an mental decline in his 3 hour Rogan interview whereas Biden could barely get through a sentence.

Forgetting the names of people you know, even your wife? Apparently normal.

Completely making up random words? Totally normal.

Stating there were airports during the American Revolution?

Nothing wrong there!

United Shaysh? Apparently, a real country.

**Jingles keys** HEY EVERYONE, LOOK AT BIDEN!!!!!

 

[party free]

Wow….great attempt at deflection.

No, great attempt at parity. Of course we know why no one wants to talk about those things.

 

[jpn]

....Yes???. And they would have viciously attacked and expelled from polite membership in their group anyone who ran with it, just as they attacked and tried to discredit Hur, and as they attacked the WSJ, when it did publish leaks about Bidens' decline. Anyone who did so would have been seen as "helping Trump" (which is ironic, considering the role that sort of behavior played in giving us Trump), and treated accordingly.
Also, I think the Pope is Catholic, that Trump is a narcissist, and that MAGA is willing to excuse and defend his abuses and lies.
I find that .... Jen Psaki was on MSNBC during this time frame.

Oh, and you know for a fact that Biden, who wiped the floor with Trump in the 2000 debate, who handily won the 2000 election, was clearly and certifiably incompetent by 2022 when she left the WH.

You're committed to believing what you want to believe.

Fine.

 

[eohrnberger]

I don't think she needs to testify, but she was his biggest enabler. You would think his wife would have told him not to run and protected him when he had obvious problems. But no she did the opposite and I think it’s worse for her because she's his wife.

Jill was not only the greatest enabler, it is she who cherished the trappings of the office, probably far more so than Ol' Joe.
Hence her wanting Ol' Joe to stay in office, to run again.

The Democrats as a whole would have been far better off had they had their full primary process to put forth a better candidate than Harris, especially now, that it is beyond obvious what the Democrats and their compliant and complicit lamestream media did in this cover up / minimization / gaslighting effort.

There's a large dues they are going to have to pay for this biggest scandal of theirs, and they should.

 

[NOLA Dude]

Good revision.

Obama was part of the push to force Biden out of the election with the threat of the 25 ammendment and Obama planned on waiting to endorse her according to Seymour Hersh.

Obama was involved.

 

[NOLA Dude]

Jill was not only the greatest enabler, it is she who cherished the trappings of the office, probably far more so than Ol' Joe.
Hence her wanting Ol' Joe to stay in office, to run again.

The Democrats as a whole would have been far better off had they had their full primary process to put forth a better candidate than Harris, especially now, that it is beyond obvious what the Democrats and their compliant and complicit lamestream media did in this cover up / minimization / gaslighting effort.

There's a large dues they are going to have to pay for this biggest scandal of theirs, and they should.

And IMO Jill enabling him is the worst considering she's his wife.

If she truly cared about him she would have convinced him not to run because of his condition. Any family member who would do that is not a good person.

 

[TamleeB]

No, great attempt at parity. Of course we know why no one wants to talk about those things.

. The deflection is clear. But, It’s all good.

 

[NOLA Dude]

primaries are not direct democracy, delegates elect party nominees. I thought you knew how parties work. I guess not.

Imagine defending the elites and not the voters picking the nominee.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Oh. So government interference and surveillance of all candidates, including getting ahold of their medical records?

Weird that you would jump to that...

Unless you are arguing there is no way at all to prevent this from happening again?

 

[Metric Mouse]

Yup
We need better mechanisms for removing incompetent presidents like the felon. As for blame-it’s useless. No laws were broken.
Got any realistic suggestions?

Your support of Trump is noted, and your claims that he is ok because no laws were broken by electing him, doesn't really cover the topic.

Biden sought to cover up his deficits, hide his decline and conspired to surround himself with people who would do the same so as to subvert the knowledge of American voters.

He sought power above all else, for the few hours a day he was lucid, apparently.

Maybe the system is working fine - Biden will never be in power again, is known to be historically unpopular, and the guard rails of democracy held against him. Thank you for the perspective.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

Weird that you would jump to that...

Unless you are arguing there is no way at all to prevent this from happening again?

I feel like I can comfortably argue that there is no way to prevent it happening since it's happening right now and with the blessing of nearly half of the U.S. who eagerly assist in covering for him with a ton of gaslighting.

You're honestly saying we can "prevent" candidates from having things those around them will "cover" for? Again, how, without some kind of surveilance to get solid evidence ahead of that person ever taking office? I hope you're not trying to say that if somehow the people in Biden's circle are "punished" legally then nobody would try something in the future. Because...just no. As I said, we have someone in the White House right this minute who is surrounded by yes men who ignore his many obvious memory, slurring, standing, etc. issues and the U.S. has waved him right in. Do you think some obscure fear that they will some day be hunted down and prosecuted for not revealing someone's medical status publicly would stop such a thing? Hell, we have someone steering the ship who is literally a felon. I hardly think fear of some sort of repercussions will ever stop anyone again from pulling the most unbelievable shit possible given that. It's anything goes now, legal repercussions mean nothing.

 

[Ethel2]

Your support of Trump is noted, and your claims that he is ok because no laws were broken by electing him, doesn't really cover the topic.

Biden sought to cover up his deficits, hide his decline and conspired to surround himself with people who would do the same so as to subvert the knowledge of American voters.

He sought power above all else, for the few hours a day he was lucid, apparently.

Maybe the system is working fine - Biden will never be in power again, is known to be historically unpopular, and the guard rails of democracy held against him. Thank you for the perspective.

Obviously you NEED my perspective, having a warped perspective of your own. And sure, my "support of the felon" is well known on DP. Just love him.
If you want to see what "authoritarian" is just look at the 151 executive orders that the sex offender has issued in just four months. Thats the word you used to describe Biden: authoritarian. Perhaps you could cite examples of him being more "authoritarian" than any other president......or admit your posts are foolish.

 

[eohrnberger]

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1984

Thinking about this quote from Orwell, there's a long list of instances where the left and their complaint and complicit MSM propagandists have done so, clearly.

Again, to the left, 1984 isn't a 'how to' manual.

 

[roughdraft274]

Amid long, uncomfortable pauses, Joe Biden struggled to recall when his son died, when he left office as vice president, what year Donald Trump was elected or why he had classified documents he shouldn't have had, according to audio Axios obtained of his October 2023 interviews with special counsel Robert Hur.

Why it matters: The newly released recordings of Biden having trouble recalling such details — while occasionally slurring words and muttering — shed light on why his White House refused to release the recordings last year, as questions mounted about his mental acuity.

The audio also appears to validate Hur's assertion that jurors in a trial likely would have viewed Biden as "a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory."

Partly based on that determination, Hur decided not to prosecute Biden for improper possession of classified documents, angering Republicans because Trump was facing charges in his own classified document scandal then.

https://www.axios.com/2025/05/16/biden-hur-tape-special-counsel-audio

So the tapes were like we thought they were considering Biden's condition and it was the opposite of what Democrats claimed.

Cool story.

Was he lucid enough to know that he shouldn't accept a $400 million dollar bribe from a foreign country?

 

[Metric Mouse]

Obviously you NEED my perspective, having a warped perspective of your own. And sure, my "support of the felon" is well known on DP. Just love him.

Noted. I don't share your love of him. I'm pretty Anti Trump, so your perspective is different than mine, for sure.

And I appreciate that.

Maybe you are right - the system is working well, and that's why Joe Biden got booted out and Trump got re elected, and nothing needs to change to prevent these things from happening again. I'll have to think on that.

Thank you for the discussion.

 

[Ethel2]

Noted. I don't share your love of him. I'm pretty Anti Trump, so your perspective is different than mine, for sure.

And I appreciate that.

Maybe you are right - the system is working well, and that's why Joe Biden got booted out and Trump got re elected, and nothing needs to change to prevent these things from happening again. I'll have to think on that.

Thank you for the discussion.

Still waiting for examples of Joe Biden being more "authoritarian" than any other president as you claimed.
If you don't want your posts to be called out here don't write nonsense.
Here is a list of the number of eo's for each president. Obama must have been VERY authoritarian. So was the felon in his first term. Biden's record was pretty mild:

Executive Orders | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu