Prosecutor's audio shows Biden's memory lapses

[cpwill]

Oh, and you know for a fact that Biden, who wiped the floor with Trump in the 2000 debate, who handily won the 2000 election, was clearly and certifiably incompetent by 2022 when she left
the WH.

I'm going to assume you mean 2020,

We know that he was because he was already publicly showing those signs by late summer 2021 (when it became evident he couldn't remember his briefings on important topics), and because insiders have since come forward saying that the President was having "good days" and "bad days", and couldn't integrate information that he didn't like already by that time.

Know 100%? To the extent that we can know anything, yeah, the evidence is pretty solidly in favor of this.

You're committed to believing what you want to believe.

... you just argued that the mainstream left-leaning media would be willing to side against Biden on his cognitive issues prior to the debate where he melted down, despite direct examples of when they were offered a chance to do so (as with the Hur Report) and instead insisted on attacking the messenger. They took White House Spin verbatim - from cheap fakes, to "it's just a stutter and He's So Brave", to insisting that only doctors who had directly dealt with Biden could tell whether or not he was clearly slipping. The media spent their time aggressively trying to cover for a Biden who was degrading in front of our eyes because They Didn't Want To Help Trump.

But it was pathetically obvious, and it actually helped produce a second Trump Administration. Way to Go, Joe.

 

[roguenuke]

Forgetting the names of people you know, even your wife? Apparently normal.

Completely making up random words? Totally normal.

Stating there were airports during the American Revolution?

Nothing wrong there!

United Shaysh? Apparently, a real country.

**Jingles keys** HEY EVERYONE, LOOK AT BIDEN!!!!!

I forget the names of people constantly. I've started forgetting the names though of objects now, and that worries me a little. My MIL says its just from being stressed about all the things going on, but still a bit worried with how often it is happening that I will be looking for words that just don't seem available. This is for everyday objects and even some places.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Still waiting for examples of Joe Biden being more "authoritarian" than any other president as you claimed.
If you don't want your posts to be called out here don't write nonsense.
Here is a list of the number of eo's for each president. Obama must have been VERY authoritarian. So was the felon in his first term. Biden's record was pretty mild:

Executive Orders | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu

Why do you think Obama was authoritarian?

 

[Ethel2]

Why do you think Obama was authoritarian?

Because I view a president who wants to rule the country by EO rather than insist that Congress legislate (thats their job) as more authoritarian than a president who doesn't. YOU claimed that Biden was "authoritarian"......perhaps you should review the definition of the word. Just because he surrounded himself with people who shared his vision and chose to run again does not make him authoritarian. Just because he lied does not make him authoritarian-it makes him human.
The fact of the matter is that Biden was not any more authoritarian that other presidents and was less so than most. If you post something here be ready to back it up or be ready to be called out on it.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Because I view a president who wants to rule the country by EO rather than insist that Congress legislate (thats their job) as more authoritarian than a president who doesn't.

Interesting.

I guess he could be viewed as authoritarian in that light, but I never felt he was particularly authoritarian.

Thank you for your perspective.

 

[cpwill]

Oh, and you know for a fact that Biden, who wiped the floor with Trump in the 2000 debate, who handily won the 2000 election, was clearly and certifiably incompetent by 2022 when she left the WH.

“Those close to him say that the first signs he was deteriorating emerged after the death of his beloved son Beau in 2015”—a decade ago. Tapper and Thompson point to recordings from 2017 of Biden speaking with Mark Zwonitzer, the ghostwriter of his memoir. These tapes, which came to light six years later as part of Special Counsel Robert Hur’s 2023 investigation into Biden’s inappropriate handling of classified information, suggested that the president had lost a mental step, or several. “He grasped to remember things, he sometimes had difficulty speaking, and he frequently lost his train of thought,” the authors write, describing the recordings and the special counsel’s sense of them. “Biden was really struggling in 2017,” Tapper and Thompson write, adding, “His cognitive capacity seemed to have been failing him.”

Three years later, on the presidential campaign trail, Biden’s struggles became more obvious to those around him. Tapper and Thompson report that, in 2020, members of Biden’s inner circle gave the candidate a teleprompter with scripted questions for a local-news interview. It was an apparent effort to work around his dwindling communicative and cognitive abilities: Aides lamented that even then, “they couldn’t rely on him to stay on message, and he often had a very short attention span.” The book’s most astounding previously unreported story from Biden’s 2020 campaign concerns his staff’s attempts to create videos of the candidate speaking with voters over Zoom. Tapper and Thompson’s description of this is worth quoting at length:

Biden would sit in a room with several monitors beaming the face of real Americans in front of him so that they could discuss issues of importance.
The videos came back, hours of footage. Some on the team couldn’t believe their eyes.
“The videos were horrible,” one top Democrat said. “He couldn’t follow the conversation at all.”
“I couldn’t believe it,” said a second Democrat, who hadn’t seen Biden in a few years. “It was like a different person. It was incredible. This was like watching Grandpa who shouldn’t be driving.”
A special team was brought in and told to edit the videos down to make them airable, if only a few minutes worth. They had to get creative.​

You're committed to believing what you want to believe.

I am committed to understanding what the best evidence says, and the best (and increasing, now that it doesn't cost people their Tribal Good Standing to say it) evidence is fairly solid, here.

 

[party free]

. The deflection is clear. But, It’s all good.

The ignoring of Trump's either aheer stupidity or mental decline since he first took office, while laser focusing on Biden 4 years later, was very clear.

Obvious why you refuse to answer for things like "infantrooped" or calling Melania Mercedes, or Tim Apple.

 

[NOLA Dude]

Cool story.

Was he lucid enough to know that he shouldn't accept a $400 million dollar bribe from a foreign country?

Is it similar to all the money the Clinton foundation got from foreign governments?

 

[cpwill]

Is it similar to all the money the Clinton foundation got from foreign governments?

Yes, and that was bad, right?

 

[roughdraft274]

Is it similar to all the money the Clinton foundation got from foreign governments?

How much money did the clinton foundation get while bill or hillary were president?

 

[TamleeB]

The ignoring of Trump's either aheer stupidity or mental decline since he first took office, while laser focusing on Biden 4 years later, was very clear.

Obvious why you refuse to answer for things like "infantrooped" or calling Melania Mercedes, or Tim Apple.

There are plenty of various threads on this forum to address your concerns regarding Trump. Care to actually engage in the discussion of this thread? After listening to the audio, do you believe President Biden was of sound mind? Capable of making clear, executive decisions that impacted the entire world?

 

[jpn]

I am committed to understanding what the best evidence says, and the best (and increasing, now that it doesn't cost people their Tribal Good Standing to say it) evidence is fairly solid, here.​

Thanks for pointing to that article. It's very damning. I'll note that it points primarily to the Biden team or Democratic Party leaders who saw evidence of decline, not the general media, which is a crucial distinction for me. Some on the right are trying to convince everyone that the entire media was fully aware of this and deliberately covered it up. I've seen little evidence of that.

Tapper and Thompson's book (wow, the "liberal" media at work! Why aren't they covering this up???) makes it almost criminal that the Biden family, Biden staff, and party leaders didn't insist that Biden not run for the presidency in 2020.

I also have to say, based on all we know as of today, having Biden in the WH right now would be far superior for our country and its citizens to the chaos, treachery, gross incompetence, and larceny going on in there today.

Just ask the people of Ukraine.

 

[jpn]

How much money did the clinton foundation get while bill or hillary were president?

Who benefited from the donations to the foundation?

Who benefited from donations to the Carter Center?

 

[cpwill]

Thanks for pointing to that article. It's very damning. I'll note that it points primarily to the Biden team or Democratic Party leaders who saw evidence of decline, not the general media, which is a crucial distinction for me. Some on the right are trying to convince everyone that the entire media was fully away of this and deliberately covered it up. I've seen little evidence of that.

.... I do no think "Unless the entire media was aware, none of the media was culpable" is a realistic or a reasonable standard. By 2024, when Jen Psaki is re-assuring MSNBC viewers that Joe Biden is sharp as a tack, part of that "inner circle" (for example: Her) had moved out of it and into the media space.

It's not like this was some kind of hugely successful cover up and Nobody Outside The Inner Ring Knew. Everyone who didn't have a vested interest in pretending that Joe Biden was still on top of it knew just from his public appearances (though perhaps not the extent of the decline).

It's just that Mainstream Media falls into the category of "people who had a vested interest in pretending that Joe Biden was still on top of it", just as FOX and a million stupid online blogs and talk show hosts have a vested interest in pretending that Trump is playing 3D Chess instead of blundering his way from stomping on one rake to the next.

So they lied. Perhaps they lied to themselves, but they certainly lied to us - to you. They lied to Democrats and, as a result we got a 2024 Biden Candidacy, and a second Trump Administration.

Tapper and Thompson's book makes it almost criminal that the Biden family, Biden staff, and party leaders didn't insist that Biden not run for the presidency in 2020.

Indeed.

I also have to say, based on all we know as of today, having Biden in the WH right now would be far superior for our country and its citizens to the chaos, treachery, gross incompetence, and larceny going on in there today.

Just ask the people of Ukraine.

I think both of them are, and would be, terrible.

And yes. Both Sides. That one side is more crass or worse on one item or another does not mean that somehow the other is magically absolved of their abuses.

 

[NOLA Dude]

Yes, and that was bad, right?

Yeah but the plane is going to the Air Force and not Mar Largo right?

 

[cpwill]

Yeah but the plane is going to the Air Force and not Mar Largo right?

The plane is for the use of Trump, which is why it is schedule to go to his "presidential library" after his term is up, so he can keep flying around in it.

It is obviously a gift to Trump, not the U.S., who does not need a second-rate Qatari plane to fly POTUS around in.

 

[NOLA Dude]

 

[NOLA Dude]

 

[jpn]

.... I do no think "Unless the entire media was aware, none of the media was culpable" is a realistic or a reasonable standard.

Agreed. Individuals may have had their suspicions. But reporting such things requires evidence, and I assume all Psaki had were anecdotes.

By 2024, when Jen Psaki is re-assuring MSNBC viewers that Joe Biden is sharp as a tack, part of that "inner circle" (for example: Her) had moved out of it and into the media space.

There were times, in 2024, when Biden was sharp as a tack. During his interview at the NATA summit, for example, he clearly had command of details Trump will never grasp.

It's not like this was some kind of hugely successful cover up and Nobody Outside The Inner Ring Knew. Everyone who didn't have a vested interest in pretending that Joe Biden was still on top of it knew just from his public appearances (though perhaps not the extent of the decline).

Your parenthetical statement says it all. Was he merely slowed down? Were his verbal stumbles just that, or more than that? Such determinations confound even trained experts.

It's just that Mainstream Media falls into the category of "people who had a vested interest in pretending that Joe Biden was still on top of it", just as FOX and a million stupid online blogs and talk show hosts have a vested interest in pretending that Trump is playing 3D Chess instead of blundering his way from stomping on one rake to the next.

To believe that, you need to believe that the mainstream media are all liberal Democrats. That's just not true.

So they lied. Perhaps they lied to themselves, but they certainly lied to us - to you. They lied to Democrats and, as a result we got a 2024 Biden Candidacy, and a second Trump Administration.

The Republican Party has been telling us that the mainstream media lies to us for decades. And in pretty much every case, they've been shown to be wrong.

I think both of them are, and would be, terrible.

In my opinion, trying to equate the two is taking partisanship too far. One was not honest about their mental fitness. The other is trying to destroy our 250-year commitment to freedom and democracy. Ask the Ukrainians.

And yes. Both Sides. That one side is more crass or worse on one item or another does not mean that somehow the other is magically absolved of their abuses.

True that.

 

[jpn]

Scott Jennings.

 

[NOLA Dude]

Scott Jennings.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

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1. He was deemed healthy in February, not July.

2. Grok.

 

[jpn]

Grok.

Still...better than Scott Jennings!

 

[NOLA Dude]

Grok.

Still...better than Scott Jennings!

You dont like talking about the subject at hand do ya?

 

[TamleeB]

1. He was deemed healthy in February, not July.

2. Grok.

He obviously was not healthy in February. That is part of why so many are confused about this diagnosis, and the odd timing of the release of the information. For this cancer to progress to his bones, from everything I have read it was active in his system for many years.