Re: Pro-Trump & Russian-Linked Twitter Accounts Are Posing As Ex-Democrats In New Astroturfed Moveme
If we're being honest about this, most GOP politicians have stated how they are outraged by the Russian interference in our election process. A very few are trying to act as though it didn't happen, but mostly because they're far right "Freedom Caucus" zealots that are against all the Democrats and against even most of the GOP, well, against just about everything.
Again, if we're being honest about this, the majority of Democrats are acting as if Trump himself colluded with the Russians, when there's absolutely no evidence of such collusion. Many Democrats continue to say that Russia interfered with our election, which they didn't because not one ballot was changed, or cast, by a Russian. The Democrats, in the most hypocritical demonstration of immaculate conception of delayed realization of the facts, are now acting as if they have always thought that Russia is and has always been the biggest geopolitical foe the US has in the entire world, which is the exact opposite of what they said when the anointed one (Obama) told Romney:
And then Obama went on to increase troops in Iraq and A-Stan, and reversed what he said in that video, and went even further with respect to Iran and distancing the US from Israel, and so on.
I'm glad, actually, that the Democrats have finally discovered what the Republicans have been trying to tell you for 20+ years, yet you guys act as if it was just discovered that Russia is a threat to the US.
There are some Republicans that embarrass the hell out of me with there excuses they give for for Russia and Putin. I never have. Russia invaded Georgia, and Ukraine, and seized the Crimea. They also interfered with our election process, but they didn't interfere with the actual election, and that's where the Democrats take it too far.
Lumping all Republicans into the trash heap of Russia and Putin is unfair, and just ignorant political bull****.
EDIT: PS - I actually like you and respect you as a person and as a member here at DP, so please don't take anything I said above personally, because that's not how I meant it.
Sorry but I have to call "vast oversimplification" on this.
Are we really going to drag 2012 debate talking points into this?
Obama said that the Cold War was over and that we would do well to seek better diplomacy. That was still true all the way up till 2014.
But let's pretend that the Cold War NEVER ENDED at all.
How does that square with the continual wins being given to Russia ever since November 2016?
There just isn't any ground for dissing diplomacy when there's a shred of a chance that it may yield something of substance. We maintained diplomacy with the USSR for seventy years, even through the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Berlin Wall.
What we have right now isn't even diplomacy, it is outright denial that there is a problem.
And it is outright ass-kissing.
Sure, Republicans are voicing objections, but quietly and discreetly. They are TERRIFIED of the Orange Man Baby.
About the election, what the Russians DID DO is precisely what they succeeded in doing in the Ukraine, and it is precisely what they FAILED to do in France, who by the way exposed their attempts and shut them down. It wasn't twiddling with ballots, it was sowing hatred and discord, spreading disinformation and sowing distrust in American institutions, to the point where we are paralyzed.
Friend, they have succeeded.
Through our seventy year relationship with the Soviets, we witnessed their crude and primitive disinformation policy apparatus.
Times have changed. This isn't Kruschev or Breshnev, this is perhaps one of the most sophisticated and weaponized agitprop machines in history, and guess who HAS been CAUGHT helping them? An American data giant which has since gone dark, Cambridge Analytica, the precious child of the Mercer family. The Mercer family ties with Trump are indisputable.
There IS NO BINARY "did" or "did not" with regard to whether or not Trump directly colluded but make no mistake, that is only because the Trump Organization was smart enough to BAKE IN enough plausible deniability to cast a reasonable doubt vis a vis a guilty verdict in court.
But the same could be also said about Reagan and CIA cocaine, okay?
But just like I'll say "don't tell me Reagan wasn't responsible for CIA driven cocaine distribution to every major city in the USA", I'm going to say "don't tell me Trump isn't partly responsible for allowing Russian disinformation to bloom in our political process."
It helped his campaign, he knew it was going to help the campaign and therefore he was more than happy to just let the chips fall where they may.
