I am not sure what you know about death that I don't... but when you are dead you are not thinking, "damn, being an orphan would have been better"idk man, death seems like a very serious thing.
idk how bad it was for you, but if you were really adopted, I would think you wouldn't treat death as some sort of get out of jail free card. You don't know what it's like on the other side. For all you know, it could be far worse there than in the physical world, only you can't rely on death to escape by that point.
Your friend has a very common problem, as you do. Both of you identify yourselves with your bodies completely, as if you yourselves exist and live solely as bodies and not minds. But suppose, if a woman ended a pregnancy with a problem fetus and then she got pregnant again but with a better fetal body and gave birth.reminds me of an astute point by one of my friends with down syndrome. "why is my disease reason to have aborted me?"
so the way you ask this question makes me wonder what you mean by "undesirable", because when I say undesirable, I'm talking about genetic illnesses/defects in which there is no possible way for the baby to live. Like being only partially formed, missing a vital organ like a heart or stomach, or otherwise guaranteed to die within days, if not hours or even minutes of being born. These things are undesirable because why subject the baby to suffer and die within 2 days when you can just get it over with right then. Merely being minorly handicapped in some way is no reason to abort a fully functioning baby. Thankfully, technology allows us to see the difference, before the baby is born.
are you pro choice or anti-life?
I hold no brief for rape, but most rapists are not trying to get a woman pregnant and don't force her to be.Agreed. Rapists should be hung publicaly.
Why bother to ask us, we're biased? Go straight to the fetus and ask it. Get back with us with any or all discernable answers.Ok, so between being raised in an adoption center or dead, what would you choose...
No, the SCOTUS simply left it up to the states. If the Kansas vote is any indication, there is more resistance to abortion bans than some anticipated.Scotus already sides with us, what challenge is there to make?
And the right seems to want to stop too short.I guess it could be voted down if you just want second trimester abortions, but the left doesn't seem intent to stop there.
How do you know? You don't know a woman's situation or why she wants/needs an abortion. You simply disregard the woman altogether.she's going to be fine.
She's still being forced, no matter how you try to justify it.yes, what a victim. Giving birth to a baby like any normal woman, with the privilege of 1st world healthcare.
So, you are lying either in your profile or your words.oh, funny that. That's so weird, huh!
idk man, death seems like a very serious thing.
I believe in Heaven.idk how bad it was for you, but if you were really adopted, I would think you wouldn't treat death as some sort of get out of jail free card. You don't know what it's like on the other side. For all you know, it could be far worse there than in the physical world, only you can't rely on death to escape by that point.
for some people yes. Life is also a gift.It's a release.
You "believe" in heaven, but do you know, for sure, that's whats waiting for you(or anyone) on the other side?I believe in Heaven.
for some people yes. Life is also a gift.
You "believe" in heaven, but do you know, for sure, that's whats waiting for you(or anyone) on the other side?
I notice you have a positive view of death, despite never dying.
in any case, it's sick to force death on children.
Says who?for some people yes. Life is also a gift.
It might depend on how one dies.I notice you have a positive view of death, despite never dying.
Who's doing that?in any case, it's sick to force death on children.
I have always been pro-choice and argued to that effect. But just to make things more interesting, I'll go a step further and advocate for "pro-abortion.."Are you indeed pro-life or Anti-choice?
Ok.I have always been pro-choice and argued to that effect. But just to make things more interesting, I'll go a step further and advocate for "pro-abortion.."
for some people yes. Life is also a gift.
You "believe" in heaven, but do you know, for sure, that's whats waiting for you(or anyone) on the other side?
I notice you have a positive view of death, despite never dying.
That is illegal and nobody here is advocating to make it legal.in any case, it's sick to force death on children.
I'm jewish. The reason we don't is because suicide is murder of your own self, and for which there is little to no repentance if you succeed(if you're dead, it's too late to repent). Very little chance that one will find "peace on the other side" if he commits suicide in this religion.I don't understand Christians who go to extremes to avoid death (ie cancer treatment when it's terminal). If you believe in Heaven being the place we're taught about, why don't you want to go there?
Sad to hear. Can't speak for his situation, as i don't know the circumstances. Generally, it's not something I'd risk. In judaism, and in most christian sects, we are meant to die of natural causes, not our own volition.When my brother comitted suicide, his Bible was found on the back of the toilet (the only place he read) open to a passage in Revelations talking about a "new city". He wasn't afraid to die.
To Scrabs' point, if Heaven is such a grand place why subject the (undesired) unborn to the pain and trials of mortal existence? Let them remain in a heavenly state and greet them after your passing.I'm jewish. The reason we don't is because suicide is murder of your own self, and for which there is little to no repentance if you succeed(if you're dead, it's too late to repent). Very little chance that one will find "peace on the other side" if he commits suicide in this religion.
Sad to hear. Can't speak for his situation, as i don't know the circumstances. Generally, it's not something I'd risk. In judaism, and in most christian sects, we are meant to die of natural causes, not our own volition.
the most lenient opinion i can think of on this matter, is if someone commits suicide due to "depression like King Solomon"(as I heard it said), he is judged less stringently....note, it's not "allowed", just less severe. Nothing something I would just do because I woke up on the wrong side of the bed one day.
I've been awaiting your response here, so I'll prod.I have always been pro-choice and argued to that effect. But just to make things more interesting, I'll go a step further and advocate for "pro-abortion.."
You obviously want to be a cave man.I am aware that people can "not desire" something for the most superficial and insane reasons, so that's simply not good enough. I need specifics that don't vary before i ever agree with pro-abortion death merchants.
death merchant.
To be clear, I am and advocate a pro-choice position. That said, here is a more "pro-abortion" argument.I've been awaiting your response here, so I'll prod.
I've been arguing the pro-choice side for several years and in those years I've defended choicers against the typical pro-life rhetoric such as "pro-death" and Darkwiz's "death merchant". There is a fundamental difference between being pro-choice and pro-abortion so I was wondering what you're considering "more interesting" by taking this a step "further" and claiming an advocate for pro-abortion?
I would be.Let's assume that technology's got to the point where it becomes a practical, common practice in removing (undesired) newly conceived zygotes from the mother's body which continue its gestation independent of the requirement of a womb. Abortion (Birth itself) would change as we know it.
Would the political right be ok with this new, deathless version of abortion or would there still be a need to punish women for coping out of her maternal responsibilities?
Are you indeed pro-life or Anti-choice?
lolYou obviously want to be a cave man.
Cuz that's where bringing EVERY conception to birth will lead this world to. The stone age. We'll have to. We have food and water shortages NOW, with our current population density.
As population increases, resources become more strained, violence will increase. This is fact, not idle conjecture.
Ask China.
Ok I get it. Your providing talking points as to how abortion can be a positive.To be clear, I am and advocate a pro-choice position. That said, here is a more "pro-abortion" argument.
You'd be willing to accept such an abortion scenario? Great, that's the first honest answer yet.I would be.
You'd be willing to accept such an abortion scenario? Great, that's the first honest answer yet.
Any pro-lifers have the guts to disagree.
Oh, they ALLOW 3 now?lol
China allows three children in major policy shift
The change comes after a move to a two-child limit failed to stop a decline in birth rates.www.bbc.com
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