Private payrolls declined in September by 32,000 in key ADP report coming amid shutdown data blackout

[jmotivator]

Wow!

The ironic thing is that in your graph would also be what a loss of 32,000 jobs out of 160,000,000+ would look like...

 

[Kyrion]

The ironic thing is that in your graph would also be what a loss of 32,000 jobs out of 160,000,000+ would look like...

And yet his graph only goes up to 140k.

Can you read?

 

[ttwtt78640]

See? No examples. Good job admitting that you lied again.

The part here that you are missing, because you cannot keep up with me, is that a concentrated effort to target farms and factories for hiring illegal labor would be arresting the capitalists that hired said illegal labor. Trump isn't doing this because immigration is just a means to scare and distract you into supporting an authoritarian takeover of America.

There is no US industry which employs a majority illegal alien labor workforce. If you “targeted” the employers (locking them up and shutting down the business?) of illegal alien labor then that would impact the jobs of their (majority) legal workers.

This is why we need an eVerify mandate, coupled with changes to the FIT code, allowing the IRS to act as the primary enforcement mechanism. Once the W-2 and 1099 employment ‘magnet’ is removed then many (if not most) illegal aliens would elect to self-deport.

 

[jmotivator]

And yet his graph only goes up to 140k.

Can you read?

First off, the numbers are in thousands, so 140,000 is 140,000k which is 140 million.

Secondly, The line that sits at about 130 million (green) is the number of native born employed. The line that sits around 30 million (blue) is the number of non-native born employed.

You add those numbers together to get the total number of employed. Do you need help with that step as well?

 

[jmotivator]

There is no US industry which employs a majority illegal alien labor workforce. If you “targeted” the employers (locking them up and shutting down the business?) of illegal alien labor then that would impact the jobs of their (majority) legal workers.

This is why we need an eVerify mandate, coupled with changes to the FIT code, allowing the IRS to act as the primary enforcement mechanism. Once the W-2 and 1099 employment ‘magnet’ is removed then many (if not most) illegal aliens would elect to self-deport.

This is happening at an increasing pace which is why we are seeing a precipitous drop in immigrant employment over the last 6 months or so.

 

[Kyrion]

Which means Trump and conservatives do not actually care to solve the illegal labor problem. They won't target the capitalists that are doing the hiring and arresting those people.

Good job agreeing with me.

If you “targeted” the employers (locking them up and shutting down the business?) of illegal alien labor then that would impact the jobs of their (majority) legal workers.

This argument only works if you thought there was a finite supply of capitalists that otherwise wouldn't immediately takeover such a business where their top leaders were arrested for hiring illegal labor.

?

 

[Kyrion]

This is happening at an increasing pace which is why we are seeing a precipitous drop in immigrant employment over the last 6 months or so.

This isn't happening as you are lying by stating as such.

 

[jmotivator]

This isn't happening as you are lying by stating as such.

It's happening.

 

[ttwtt78640]

This is happening at an increasing pace which is why we are seeing a precipitous drop in immigrant employment over the last 6 months or so.

The Lord Of Nightmares thinks (or at least pretends) that’s not happening. He claims arresting 300+ illegal alien employees, but not their employer(s), doesn’t really count as a workplace immigration raid.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Which means Trump and conservatives do not actually care to solve the illegal labor problem. They won't target the capitalists that are doing the hiring and arresting those people.

Good job agreeing with me.

This argument only works if you thought there was a finite supply of capitalists that otherwise wouldn't immediately takeover such a business where their top leaders were arrested for hiring illegal labor.

?

You seem to assume that a given business would be equally profitable using only legal (aka more expensive) labor. If that were the case then why are these farmers complaining?

 

[pedex]

The cheapest gas is in OK right now at ~$2.61/gal...maybe he uses E85?

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$2.48 at a BP here in Dayton yesterday, today most are $2.59 to $2.69 give or take

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On the otherhand we have major auto parts suppliers filing bankruptcy. The big 3 US automakers are facing massive lawsuits, recalls, and some inventory going past a year or more they can't sell. Anything in the food industry is getting squeezed fom farmers to processors.

 

[Kyrion]

It's happening.

It isn't. Trump isn't targeting the businesses that hire illegal labor. You are lying.

 

[Luce]

Nope. It literally means that the Democrats are responsible. The House isn't even in session and their bill was before the Senate. Making demands when the House isn't in session is pointless since the House needs to be in session to revote on any Senatorial changes.

The Government shutdown happened because that is what the Democrats chose to do, rather than vote to maintain spending levels that were in place yesterday.

NOPE. The GOP controls all 3 branches.

This one belongs to Trump and his toadies.

 

[Kyrion]

You seem to assume that a given business would be equally profitable using only legal (aka more expensive) labor. If that were the case then why are these farmers complaining?

Why should I care about the profitability of a company that hires illegal labor? That company should be destroyed and their assets divided among capitalists that do follow the law.

Also, if you cannot run a business using only legal labor, then you too should have your business destroyed and pieced out.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Why should I care about the profitability of a company that hires illegal labor? That company should be destroyed and their assets divided among capitalists that do follow the law.

Also, if you cannot run a business using only legal labor, then you too should have your business destroyed and pieced out.

You keep moving the goal posts. Do that once more and it’s goodbye.

 

[iliveonramen]

Things feel bizarre as well right now. The economy is giving every indication that it's slowing and people are losing their jobs, but on Wall Street they are in the middle of a bubble where the Mag 7 borrow/invest/loan and promise to buy more and more chips for a tech that isn't really proving to do what it claims. Even now, with the fact that ADP numbers came out, Wall Street hit a new high because that just means more cheap money from the fed.

What a dystopic reality this country is turning into.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Economy looks good where I'm at. Driving home from a trip a few hours south, I picked up gasoline for $2.45 a gallon. A week ago on a trip 5 hours away I got it for $2.52. So things looking much better. If the democrats were worried about Americans they would vote to kick start the government and worry about U.S. citizens. The left voted to a man/woman not to lower taxes for Americans. I suppose they need those billions to take care of illegals they brought into the country, many who are criminals that they don't want to prosecute. Democrats stop listening to crazy people. I really don't believe the average working class democrats agree with this insanity. In fact a morning poll says 65% of americans are blaming democrats for the shutdown. Schumer, just afraid AOC is going to challenge his seat.

Glad to hear that while we pay $3.09 up here in the real world.

 

[Kyrion]

You keep moving the goal posts. Do that once more and it’s goodbye.

Where am I moving the goal posts? I've been consistent in my desire for capitalists to be arrested and punished for hiring illegal labor.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Where am I moving the goal posts? I've been consistent in my desire for capitalists to be arrested and punished for hiring illegal labor.

I bolded it for you. Which US business or industry uses only illegal labor?

Mass deportation could remove one in eight workers from the construction and agriculture industries in the United States. In the hospitality sector, about one in 14 workers could face deportation due to their undocumented status.

The U.S. Industries That Rely Most on Illegal Immigration

Mass deportation could remove one in eight workers from the construction and agriculture industries.

www.visualcapitalist.com

 

[Kyrion]

I bolded it for you. Which US business or industry uses only illegal labor?

Where did I say only only illegal labor?

 

[jmotivator]

NOPE. The GOP controls all 3 branches.

This one belongs to Trump and his toadies.

The GOP doesn't have a Filibuster-proof Senate majority and the Democrats used their filibuster power to shutdown the government.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Where did I say only only illegal labor?

Post #114.

Also, if you cannot run a business using only legal labor, then you too should have your business destroyed and pieced out.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Trump is going to have to threaten all the companies that make him look bad.

Wait

 

[Luce]

The GOP doesn't have a Filibuster-proof Senate majority and the Democrats used their filibuster power to shutdown the government.

Then I guess they should have negotiated.

Whoopsie. Still on the GOP.

 

[jmotivator]

It isn't. Trump isn't targeting the businesses that hire illegal labor. You are lying.

LOL. You can hand wave all you want, you are still just spouting nonsense.