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This whole conversation seems ridiculous to me. He's intentionally trying to injure himself based on what another guy said who was in the van for 5 minutes with Freddie? And that guy also said that he was "mostly quiet" and it's not possible to believe he was both making constant banging noises and was also mostly quiet so I will choose to believe nothing this man said. Also, he couldn't see Freddie, or at least all of the above is my understanding based on what I've read. I'm not going to make any conclusions based on this, I have stayed away from the conversation thus far and will wait until the investigation is complete.
Not absurd, logical, based on your track record.Absurd reply.
Not absurd, logical, based on your track record.
Come back to me when you leap to the defence of LEOs accused of contributing to the death of a white guy. Your concerns and prejudices are pretty transparent.
Well, you may be correct, but I don't think we've ever seen a murdered black man he didn't turn into gang-banging thug.I'm not sure Excon is a racist as much as he's a classist and since there is a majority of non-whites in the impoverished class, it comes off as racism.
Wrong again.Not absurd, logical, based on your track record.
Come back to me when you leap to the defence of LEOs accused of contributing to the death of a white guy. Your concerns and prejudices are pretty transparent.
iLOL :dohThe prisoner denies saying any such thing, and the injury happened in the van.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-inquiry-freddie-gray-death-article-1.2204988
Wrong again.but I don't think we've ever seen a murdered black man he didn't turn into gang-banging thug.
(Baltimore Police Commissioner) Batts said another man who was in the van during the tail end of Gray's ride told investigators that Gray was "was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises" up until the van arrived at the station. Batts said the man also said the driver did not speed, make sudden stops of "drive erratically."
What's " hateful " about my language ? Be specific.
Because personally I think your just reverting to childish hyperbole because youre incabale of intelligently defending this twisted world view that you have.
Your only defense is to fall back on childish generalizations and buzzwords like " hate " in a attempt to shut down any opposition from those who disagree with you.
Its almost as irrelevent and innefective as constantly bringing up Bush.
:dohExcon,
I'm just going to let your own video (post #222) debunk your weak attempt at a reply to my commentary (your post #221).
And why would that be?Which brings me to...
2) He gave a completely different story to homicide detectives than what he told local police.
I'd be curious to know why Mr. Allen would tell homicide detectives one thing but local police something different (if anything at all since per the interview he didn't tell the police "nothin'".)
And? That doesn't mean he isn't responsible for his own injuries.Furthermore, per the video news clip you provided, the autopsy concluded that there was "no evidence that Mr. Gray hit his head against anything on his own".
His making an irrelevant distinction between Police and homicide was funny. Nevertheless that distinction is meaningless as they are the same police force.I'd be curious to know why Mr. Allen would tell homicide detectives one thing but local police something different (if anything at all since per the interview he didn't tell the police "nothin'".)
:dohMoreover, per the autopsy Mr. Gray's neck injury was "akin to a injury suffered in a car accident. It needed that amount of force".
No. The evidence already dispels that.Something happened in the police van between the time Mr. Gray was picked up but prior to Mr. Allen being picked up . The question is what?
I've seen that before, too, but the notion that someone could do this much damage is pretty far out there.I am very very Skeptical of this new meme. Having said that, I just recently watched a video of a guy being put into the back of a squad car who didn't know he was being taped. He slammed his head in the top of the squad car several times opening a heavily bleeding gash in his forehead -- and I'm going to assume breaking his nose.
If the guy was determined to do damage, running head down into one of the walls a few times could do some serious damage...
I am very very Skeptical of this new meme. Having said that, I just recently watched a video of a guy being put into the back of a squad car who didn't know he was being taped. He slammed his head in the top of the squad car several times opening a heavily bleeding gash in his forehead -- and I'm going to assume breaking his nose.
If the guy was determined to do damage, running head down into one of the walls a few times could do some serious damage...
They're waking up to the ravages of Liberal Progressive policies.
This politicization of " Police brutality " so maybe the Democrats can sign up a few voters has gone on long enough.
You have no idea what you're talking about..
like Ignoring the fact that black communities are now one false allegation away from being destroyed from within because a bunch of idiots, leftist and Democrats ( distinction without a difference ) keep perpetuating the " Hands up dont shoot " Police brutality false narrative
Again, left wingers claim they represent the poor and disadvantaged, but in reality ignore the plight of people in the inner city continusly in favor for stupid false narratives and catch phrases that can fit on a bumper sticker.
Whos paying attention to the MUCH Larger issue of Black on black violence and growing poverty and dependance ? Not the Democrats and apparently not you
For a " thoughtful leftist " you sure are coming off as uncaring and cold hearted.
The riots started because a false narrative of " Police brutality " has been reinforced exponentially by Politicians, activist and idiots looking to capitalize on the destruction and violence that now occurs on a whim.
All right wing rhetoric, hate & talking points. Now I,m sure you want to see what Hannity & the Fox sewer has going tonight. See you in an hour.
For some reason when I see stuff like this being childish works for me. Nothing personal
I don't think so. I suffered from cluster headaches since before anyone knew what a cluster headache was. It feels like if you could just put a hole or crack in your skull all the pain would seep out. So in desperation more than once I went out the the garage, sat on the ground and threw myself as hard as I could backwards into the concrete floor. I may have caused a few hairline cracks, but my neck and any real damage didn't happen. Of course someone can break there own nose, that's easy, one can bang one's own head and create bloody mess, but based on my own experience, I seriously doubt anyone can break there own neck without the benefit of a mechanical assist like a noose or something along those lines. When you're slamming your own head, your neck muscles protect your spine because they are being used and therefore taut. Sorry, it just isn't at all likely.
Summer, there are cases all the time of freak accidents that occur where people injure and kill themselves. I was watching a forensic files case where they were investigating how a man had died. They discovered that he had sliped on the tile floor, hit his head on a broom handle which caused a fracture and an open head would. Which he passed out from and eventually blead to death from while he was passed out. Things happen. It seems that this could be one of many things. Freak accident, maybe he was moving around in the van and he slipped or fell while the van was moving and hit his head. Or its possible he was trying to injure himself in order to stay in the hospital rather then stay in the jail until his trial. Its also possible that something may have occurred that we don't know about yet because we don't have all the evidence and there was some type of police brutality. Right now, we really don't know. But don't let that stop people from burning business, killing cops, destroying and stealing property and harassing innocent civilians.
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They're waking up to the ravages of Liberal Progressive policies.
Nothing hateful about that. It's the truth. Let's see, St Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, Atlanta, Chicago and Obama's and Eric Holders response to the Ferguson riots that were based on a LIE says it all. A list to LEO's on how not to be a " racist " and then back to ignoring the real issues that affect the inner city. THAT'S hateful.
I will do these one at a time.
When did I ever say Obama and Eric Holder were Progressive. I gave you an article on how the protesters in Ferguson feel about black leadership. Did you read it? What the hell makes you think Rep's will do anything to help people in the inner city. Your being disingenuous, & could care less about poor & inner city people. You just want to spew Right Wing crap about how this would not have happened if a Rep was in charge. I said it didn't matter who was in charge. They are pretty much the same.
Your just saying look how bad one side is, my side is better. Truth is, its not. this is total Right Wing rhetoric, & reeks of Fox News.
Its late will get to the rest tomorrow.
Summer, there are cases all the time of freak accidents that occur where people injure and kill themselves. I was watching a forensic files case where they were investigating how a man had died. They discovered that he had sliped on the tile floor, hit his head on a broom handle which caused a fracture and an open head would. Which he passed out from and eventually blead to death from while he was passed out. Things happen. It seems that this could be one of many things. Freak accident, maybe he was moving around in the van and he slipped or fell while the van was moving and hit his head. Or its possible he was trying to injure himself in order to stay in the hospital rather then stay in the jail until his trial. Its also possible that something may have occurred that we don't know about yet because we don't have all the evidence and there was some type of police brutality. Right now, we really don't know. But don't let that stop people from burning business, killing cops, destroying and stealing property and harassing innocent civilians.
Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
like Ignoring the fact that black communities are now one false allegation away from being destroyed from within because a bunch of idiots, leftist and Democrats ( distinction without a difference ) keep perpetuating the " Hands up dont shoot " Police brutality false narrative
Exactly. If your'e focused on narratives and think that Police brutality is the issue after watching what happened in Ferguson or Baltimore then your priorities are a bit mixed up. Hateful is thinking that ending Police brutality ( whether it exist or not ) is going to fix whats wrong with inner cites.
I've come to the conclusion (albeit that it may be the wrong one) that this guy was injured before he went into the van. That the banging etc the prisoner heard was him being thrashed about in handcuffs and unable to get on his feet. Probably one of those rough rides cops talk about -- and that they should be fired for. Injured who knows for sure how -- and instead of being placed in a neck brace and transported on a backboard -- given the ride of his life and no medical treatment until it was too late.
I hope our legal system begins treating cops present at wrong-doing the same as they do the guy who drives the get-away car when his bank-robbing friends kill a guard. Complicit and just as guilty as the guy holding the gun.
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