Preteens To Get Vaccinated Without Parental Consent

[roguenuke]

I’m asking if the state is assuming responsibility for any potential medical bills of children that they empower to be vaccinated behind parents backs.

Is the state is going to act en loco parentis? Or do these states simply grant adult decision making capabilities to children but then hold parents still financially responsible?

Why would that happen? You are taking a relatively larger chance of a child being unvaccinated ending up in the hospital than if they are vaccinated and that being the reason they wound up in the hospital.

But I don't oppose the government paying for all health care. I'm for universal healthcare which would eliminate this argument completely. And certainly if there is evidence that the vaccine caused them to go to the hospital, absolutely let the government pay for that visit. Chances are extremely small though of that happening.

 

[BirdinHand]

So you wouldn't take a child in for care if they hurt themselves doing something stupid? What about if they got Covid from school that put them in the hospital? Do you know what the chances are of them being put in the hospital from the vaccine vice Covid itself?

As for me?

I don’t live in CA or a state that allows this so what *I* would do isn’t pertinent.

 

[BirdinHand]

It’s stupid because these vaccines save the kids a lot of grief. In some cases the vaccines are lifesaving. Who in their right mind wants to see their kid suffering in a hospital when just taking a safe and effective vaccine would have prevented it?
Oh wait-those people are not in their right mind.

Number of vaccines in existence where significant side effects were not discovered until >6m after introduction: still zero.

* you forgot to mention not FDA approved and only under Emergency Use Authorization*

 

[Ethel2]

You keep calling parents who won't vaccinate their kids covidiots. You have implied those who are against this bill, are covidiots. A few posts later you say you are against this legislation, so what exactly are you arguing? You do realize that those who are against legislation that usurps parental authority are all vaccinated, don't you? I don't write your words, but I do reserve the liberty to come to my own interpretation of them.

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Preteens To Get Vaccinated Without Parental Consent

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You are obviously having a reading comprehension problem.
I have stated that it’s a stupid decision for a parent to make not to get their eligible child vaccinated-but that it’s their decision to make.
I oppose legislation usurping that right.
Clear now?

 

[BirdinHand]

Why would that happen? You are taking a relatively larger chance of a child being unvaccinated ending up in the hospital than if they are vaccinated and that being the reason they wound up in the hospital.

But I don't oppose the government paying for all health care. I'm for universal healthcare which would eliminate this argument completely. And certainly if there is evidence that the vaccine caused them to go to the hospital, absolutely let the government pay for that visit. Chances are extremely small though of that happening.

Well, several children have required hospital care from the Pfizer vaccine, so it isn’t like we don’t already know it is a risk/side effect.

 

[Ethel2]

* you forgot to mention not FDA approved and only under Emergency Use Authorization*

The Pfizer vaccine is already fully approved for adults and will soon be fully approved for kids too.
When that happens will you change your mind and vaccinate your kids?
Thought not.

 

[roguenuke]

Well, several children have required hospital care from the Pfizer vaccine, so it isn’t like we don’t already know it is a risk/side effect.

And many thousands of children have required hospital care for getting Covid when unvaccinated.

Almost all those children that required hospital care for myocarditis needed simply rest and medication to deal with it.

 

[Ethel2]

Well, several children have required hospital care from the Pfizer vaccine, so it isn’t like we don’t already know it is a risk/side effect.

And thousands have been hospitalized due to covid.

 

[roguenuke]

As for me?

I don’t live in CA or a state that allows this so what *I* would do isn’t pertinent.

We already know you won't vaccinate your child. Mine on the other hand are vaccinated because I actually listen to the advice of competent doctors.

 

[trixare4kids]

We already know you won't vaccinate your child. Mine on the other hand are vaccinated because I actually listen to the advice of competent doctors.

Who is we? You?

You seem to not want to acknowledge that there are other parents who are more than capable of listening and have the right to draw a different conclusion than yourself.

 

[Overitall]

We already know you won't vaccinate your child.

You know that how?

Mine on the other hand are vaccinated because I actually listen to the advice of competent doctors.

What if the doctors recommended she doesn't vaccinate her child due to medical considerations; does that make them incompetent?

 

[BirdinHand]

We already know you won't vaccinate your child. Mine on the other hand are vaccinated because I actually listen to the advice of competent doctors.

My son is barely 6. His pediatrician agrees that there is zero need to rush to have him receive the vaccine at this time.

But thanks for pretending you know better than HIS pediatrician.

I talk to HIS doctors, not the tv or internet.

And I’m sorry you don’t agree with his doctor, considering they’ve been his doctor his entire life…I’ll continue to work with them vs. taking advice from random internet people who believe that all children simply need to line up and get a shot without even knowing the child.

 

[trixare4kids]

Is that what you think after reading my posts.
Perhaps you should review post #507 and apologize.

See post #561

 

[trixare4kids]

The Pfizer vaccine is already fully approved for adults and will soon be fully approved for kids too.
When that happens will you change your mind and vaccinate your kids?
Thought not.

Does that make her a covidiot if she doesn't?

 

[Overitall]

My son is barely 6. His pediatrician agrees that there is zero need to rush to have him receive the vaccine at this time.

But thanks for pretending you know better than HIS pediatrician.

I talk to HIS doctors, not the tv or internet.

And I’m sorry you don’t agree with his doctor, considering they’ve been his doctor his entire life…I’ll continue to work with them vs. taking advice from random internet people who believe that all children simply need to line up and get a shot without even knowing the child.

 

[trixare4kids]

My son is barely 6. His pediatrician agrees that there is zero need to rush to have him receive the vaccine at this time.

But thanks for pretending you know better than HIS pediatrician.

I talk to HIS doctors, not the tv or internet.

And I’m sorry you don’t agree with his doctor, considering they’ve been his doctor his entire life…I’ll continue to work with them vs. taking advice from random internet people who believe that all children simply need to line up and get a shot without even knowing the child.

My four natural grandkids are all vaccinated but they aren't six years old; ages 13-18. They all caught omicron.
My two step grandchildren are much younger, but the youngest, like your son, hasn't had the vaccine yet either. The oldest, age 11 is vaccinated, and she caught omicron during Christmas time. The youngest is the only one who didn't get covid yet or she did and was asymptomatic. I know her natural dad was taking her to see a Chargers football game about a month ago, and she had to show proof, a negative covid test to get in. She is age 8.

 

[CharisRose]

No, as it's intuitively obvious to the casual observer. However, I will discuss sea lions with you if you want.

Okay https://www.critterbabies.com/animals/sea-lions/

snippets from article…

“Typically born one at a time, sea lion pups are mammals that rely on their moms to supply milk and safety.”

“A pup can look forward to being protected by its mother when it is in distress. All it has to do is bark and the mother will recognize the bark of its baby sea lion and the other way around.”

“Sea lions are mammals just like human beings and are born after a period of eight to eleven months.They are fully developed at birth and nature has created a mechanism of delayed implantation for them. Eight months later the baby sea lion will bark for the first time outside its mother’s body! This happens so that there is plenty of food available in summers. But baby sea lions don’t even eat until they are six months old. Why must there be a lot of food then? Well, it’s because they are nursed by their mothers for six months and she needs to eat to fill the pup’s tummy.”

 

[BirdinHand]

As an FYI:

Less than 20% of the US population ages 5-11 are vaccinated.

So opting to “wait” in that age group is the VAST majority of parents…and likely pediatricians are not heavily pushing the vaccine on that age group either.

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

My four natural grandkids are all vaccinated but they aren't six years old; ages 13-18. They all caught omicron.
My two step grandchildren are much younger, but the youngest, like your son, hasn't had the vaccine yet either. The oldest, age 11 is vaccinated, and she caught omicron during Christmas time. The youngest is the only one who didn't get covid yet or she did and was asymptomatic. I know her natural dad was taking her to see a Chargers football game about a month ago, and she had to show proof, a negative covid test to get in. She is age 8.

my son has had to test several times due to “exposures” at school and because of allergies/runny nose/coughing.

All negative.

 

[Helix]

Okay https://www.critterbabies.com/animals/sea-lions/

snippets from article…

“Typically born one at a time, sea lion pups are mammals that rely on their moms to supply milk and safety.”

“A pup can look forward to being protected by its mother when it is in distress. All it has to do is bark and the mother will recognize the bark of its baby sea lion and the other way around.”

“Sea lions are mammals just like human beings and are born after a period of eight to eleven months.They are fully developed at birth and nature has created a mechanism of delayed implantation for them. Eight months later the baby sea lion will bark for the first time outside its mother’s body! This happens so that there is plenty of food available in summers. But baby sea lions don’t even eat until they are six months old. Why must there be a lot of food then? Well, it’s because they are nursed by their mothers for six months and she needs to eat to fill the pup’s tummy.”

Seems to be a reasonable assessment.

 

[trixare4kids]

As an FYI:

Less than 20% of the US population ages 5-11 are vaccinated.

So opting to “wait” in that age group is the VAST majority of parents…and likely pediatricians are not heavily pushing the vaccine on that age group either.

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

my son has had to test several times due to “exposures” at school and because of allergies/runny nose/coughing.

All negative.

It's telling that those who have chosen to vaccinate their own young children don't really know that they are in the small minority of parents who do.

 

[BirdinHand]

It's telling that those who have chosen to vaccinate their own young children don't really know that they are in the small minority of parents who do.

I’ve only spoken to one parent IRL that has vaccinated their young child.

 

[trixare4kids]

I’ve only spoken to one parent IRL that has vaccinated their young child.

Wondering how old Roguenuke's kids are...

@roguenuke ?

 

[BirdinHand]

Wondering how old Roguenuke's kids are...

@roguenuke ?

They made the choice they thought appropriate for their children.

Whatever their age.

 

[Chomsky]

i had to chuckle a bit reading this

parents generally understand more than do their kids but being a parent takes no diploma, just a penis and receptive vagina.

I'd trust the wisdom of the collective over that of individual any day. That said, I am inclined to agree that parents should be aware of their kids. I am not so sure that is the schools obligation however.

If it were to come to pass where the state determines it to be in the best interests of the children to foce vaccination, regardless of parental intention, the parents should be informed.

 

[Chomsky]

So why are they doing it then? The elected do-gooders are social engineering for special interests or because in fact, they don't trust the parents to make the right decisions for their preteen children.
It's as simple as that.

I'll be looking forward to furthering this discussion with you soon. Have a nice afternoon and don't do anything I wouldn't do, like watch football...

Go Cincinnati!

I don't generally see 'social engineering'. I think the majority think their way is better for the kids & society. I don't think the goal is to erode the parent-child relationship, but rather it is the fall-out.