president trump

[Conservative]

i missed the part where Mexico will pay for the wall, making the five billion that we are discussing unnecessary.

And of course you missed the part that he submitted the proposal and it was rejected so he revised the proposal and let's see how the next 6 years play out

 

[Conservative]

i understand that you believe that congress is unable to allocate five billion dollars for infrastructure other than the derp wall. however, this is not correct.

Has nothing to do with that Congress can do but rather what the purpose of the taxes created which you want to ignore along with the responsibilities of the federal, state, and local governments with regards to infrastructure

 

[Helix]

And of course you missed the part that he submitted the proposal and it was rejected so he revised the proposal and let's see how the next 6 years play out

he lied. Mexico won't be paying for the wall. thanks for playing.

 

[Helix]

Has nothing to do with that Congress can do but rather what the purpose of the taxes created which you want to ignore along with the responsibilities of the federal, state, and local governments with regards to infrastructure

i'm not sure how it works in Trump alternate reality, but in real reality, congress can allocate funds for infrastructure that isn't a wall.

 

[Conservative]

he lied. Mexico won't be paying for the wall. thanks for playing.

I will judge that claim after his term is over unlike your impatience with Trump but not with past Presidents

 

[Conservative]

i'm not sure how it works in Trump alternate reality, but in real reality, congress can allocate funds for infrastructure that isn't a wall.

Yes it can but your connection with wall funding is false as usual

 

[Helix]

I will judge that claim after his term is over unlike your impatience with Trump but not with past Presidents

no, you'll probably just continue to deflect for him.

Yes it can but your connection with wall funding is false as usual

false. congress could allocate five billion for real infrastructure. that isn't up for debate. also, Mexico still isn't paying for the wall.

 

[Conservative]

no, you'll probably just continue to deflect for him.



false. congress could allocate five billion for real infrastructure. that isn't up for debate. also, Mexico still isn't paying for the wall.

Speculation is what you do without substance. Of course Congress can allocate 5 billion and the House just passed that legislation and did it for the wall. You want infrastructure money ask your Congress person to bring up the bill

Guess like most liberals, you want open borders and new Democratic voters

 

[Helix]

Speculation is what you do without substance. Of course Congress can allocate 5 billion and the House just passed that legislation and did it for the way. You want infrastructure money ask your Congress person to bring up the bill

let's hope that all Democrats in the senate vote against it. the orange liar Trump will be responsible for the resulting shutdown.

 

[Conservative]

no, you'll probably just continue to deflect for him.



false. congress could allocate five billion for real infrastructure. that isn't up for debate. also, Mexico still isn't paying for the wall.

I know this continues to escape you but infrastructure spending is OCCURRING all over the country, you should get out more. as for judging the President please show where I have judged Obama unfairly? Results matter, not your perception

Where did I say Congress couldn't allocate infrastructure spending?? Nice red herring

 

[Conservative]

let's hope that all Democrats in the senate vote against it. the orange liar Trump will be responsible for the resulting shutdown.

Yep, let's hope that the Democrats continue to go against national security issues and keep losing elections. You think they won the house on being anti American security??

 

[WillyPete]

it was easier to ask here first.

You're pretty late to the party. I know an engineer that was working as a contractor on one of the prototypes, and they've been working on it since Trump took office. They don't care if the wall gets built or not as long as the government keeps paying their invoices.

The defense industry isn't going to let that sort of money end up in a some stranger's pocket.

 

[Helix]

I know this continues to escape you but infrastructure spending is OCCURRING all over the country, you should get out more. as for judging the President please show where I have judged Obama unfairly? Results matter, not your perception

Where did I say Congress couldn't allocate infrastructure spending?? Nice red herring

good, we agree on that point. that five billion could be spent on useful infrastructure instead of wasting it on derp wall. as for how you feel about Obama, i don't really care, and that isn't the topic. the topic is that Trump lied when he said that Mexico will pay for the wall, and now he is trying to get tax payers to make up for his lie.

Yep, let's hope that the Democrats continue to go against national security issues and keep losing elections. You think they won the house on being anti American security??

they won the house by being not Trumpists. let's hope they use the wave of utter disgust of millions of Americans to actually do something good for the country. honestly, i'm not convinced that they won't get their priorities ****ed up like they always seem to do, but they are the only viable way to vote against Trumpism right now.

 

[Conservative]

good, we agree on that point. that five billion could be spent on useful infrastructure instead of wasting it on derp wall. as for how you feel about Obama, i don't really care, and that isn't the topic. the topic is that Trump lied when he said that Mexico will pay for the wall, and now he is trying to get tax payers to make up for his lie.



they won the house by being not Trumpists. let's hope they use the wave of utter disgust of millions of Americans to actually do something good for the country. honestly, i'm not convinced that they won't get their priorities ****ed up like they always seem to do, but they are the only viable way to vote against Trumpism right now.

No, believe national security trumps your local infrastructure problems but both could be done, has infrastructure been proposed? the wall has

Sorry but some won the house by being against Trump but not in this state, you have a very selective memory. Going to be a fun two years watching people like you going ballistic while I live in TX enjoying the fruits of being a conservative

 

[Helix]

No, believe national security trumps your local infrastructure problems but both could be done, has infrastructure been proposed? the wall has

i'll support roads / bridges / other infrastructure projects, thanks. you are free to donate to derp wall's gofundme page if you like, however. maybe they'll send you a steel slats hat or something.

Sorry but some won the house by being against Trump but not in this state, you have a very selective memory. Going to be a fun two years watching people like you going ballistic while I live in TX enjoying the fruits of being a conservative

have fun. still, we've effectively established that Trump lied when he said that Mexico would pay for the border wall, so this wasn't a totally useless exchange.

 

[Conservative]

i'll support roads / bridges / other infrastructure projects, thanks. you are free to donate to derp wall's gofundme page if you like, however. maybe they'll send you a steel slats hat or something.



have fun. still, we've effectively established that Trump lied when he said that Mexico would pay for the border wall, so this wasn't a totally useless exchange.

Federal responsibility NATIONAL SECURITY for without it, no freedoms and no strong economy, your infrastructure problems are the least of my concern and the concern of probably 49 other state citizens

 

[Helix]

Federal responsibility NATIONAL SECURITY for without it, no freedoms and no strong economy, your infrastructure problems are the least of my concern and the concern of probably 49 other state citizens

when given the choice between not falling through a bridge and spending the money on an ego wall that won't work in order to stroke the ego of an orange megalomaniac, most non-cultists would probably pick the former. however, we have to remember that this is a moot point because Mexico is paying for the wall, right? lol.

 

[Conservative]

when given the choice between not falling through a bridge and spending the money on an ego wall that won't work in order to stroke the ego of an orange megalomaniac, most non-cultists would probably pick the former. however, we have to remember that this is a moot point because Mexico is paying for the wall, right? lol.

Understand completely, seems you have a serious problem in your state, not my problem, national security is however everyone's issue

 

[upsideguy]

In 2017 the federal government spent 4.147 trillion dollars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States_federal_budget

The 5 billion is 0.0012% or a bit over one one thousandth of a single percent of what was spent in 2017. To reach even one percent of the total expenditures spent in 2017, Trump would have to get 414.7 billion for his wall.

so this fight has become a matter of principal, not of substance when it comes to spending. Strange as it may sound, the Democrats were all in favor of building a wall back in 2006 and voted for it. Even though that legislation passed and was signed into law, it was never funded. Hence not built.

The wall in my opinion has taken on a pro vs. anti Trump stance than whether or not it has merit and could help the illegal immigration problem. It's 100% politicized. Hate Trump, be against it. Love Trump, be for it. This whole thing is 100% very partisan BS. When you only talking about one one thousandth of one percent, it can be nothing else but partisan politics at its worst.

Ah, so you read "How to Lie with Statistics"? ...exaggerate the denominator to make the numerator insignificant....

The discretionary non-military budget (what Congress really has control over) is about $600B....which makes this about a 1% line item. It is significant or $50 per taxpayer.

https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/policy-basics-non-defense-discretionary-programs

Let the 1/3 of taxpayers that think this matters pay $150 to GoFundMe and leave the rest of us out of it.

 

[Perotista]

Ah, so you read "How to Lie with Statistics"? ...exaggerate the denominator to make the numerator insignificant....

The discretionary non-military budget (what Congress really has control over) is about $600B....which makes this about a 1% line item. It is significant or $50 per taxpayer.

https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/policy-basics-non-defense-discretionary-programs

Let the 1/3 of taxpayers that think this matters pay $150 to GoFundMe and leave the rest of us out of it.

This whole thing is no more than being either pro or anti Trump. I don't give a dang whether it's funded or not. This whole thing is nothing more than 100% pure political partisan BS. The Democrats opposing anything Trump, The Republicans being for anything Trump and not a single elected official thinking about the merits of it, good or bad. Our political world revolves around Trump. Be it for him or against him.

It's time for both major parties to end up on the trash heap of history and come up with some political parties that actually care about the country and not only their political party as nothing else matters.

 

[Helix]

Understand completely, seems you have a serious problem in your state, not my problem, national security is however everyone's issue

there's an infrastructure problem in every state.

https://www.infrastructurereportcard.org

sorry, these things are more important than the ego wall. feel free to waste your money on the gofundme joke, though, or perhaps you can go door to door in Mexico to help Trump keep his promise.

 

[upsideguy]

This whole thing is no more than being either pro or anti Trump. I don't give a dang whether it's funded or not. This whole thing is nothing more than 100% pure political partisan BS. The Democrats opposing anything Trump, The Republicans being for anything Trump and not a single elected official thinking about the merits of it, good or bad. Our political world revolves around Trump. Be it for him or against him.

It's time for both major parties to end up on the trash heap of history and come up with some political parties that actually care about the country and not only their political party as nothing else matters.

Disagree. Its fundamentally a waste of money, but the process by which this is being introduced is reprehensible. Its not Trump; its the issue. I don't care who wants to drive this idea, it doesn't upgrade its character from "dumb"

I do get that some people (a minority of people) think this idea has merit. OK. Well, lets see some real political negotiation. Have this a part of a comprehensive solution that includes real immigration reform. Trying to ram this down peoples' throats in this manner at this time is just plain wrong (and foolhardy).

Do a CR and work toward a real comprehensive solution. If the wall is a part of that, so be it....

 

[Conservative]

there's an infrastructure problem in every state.

https://www.infrastructurereportcard.org

sorry, these things are more important than the ego wall. feel free to waste your money on the gofundme joke, though, or perhaps you can go door to door in Mexico to help Trump keep his promise.

Saw a lot of construction this past year on the inter state highways and all over the country, doubt seriously there will ever be enough money to fund things of interest to you and quite frankly I don't give a damn, there are two things important to my family and me, a strong national security and strong economy. In TX we have a strong economy now secure the border!!

 

[Conservative]

Disagree. Its fundamentally a waste of money, but the process by which this is being introduced is reprehensible. Its not Trump; its the issue. I don't care who wants to drive this idea, it doesn't upgrade its character from "dumb"

I do get that some people (a minority of people) think this idea has merit. OK. Well, lets see some real political negotiation. Have this a part of a comprehensive solution that includes real immigration reform. Trying to ram this down peoples' throats in this manner at this time is just plain wrong (and foolhardy).

Do a CR and work toward a real comprehensive solution. If the wall is a part of that, so be it....

Your opinion noted but with every one of your other Opinions it is nothing but anti Trump this, anti Trump that, and anti private sector economic activity. Based upon your posts you are nothing more than a typical leftwing socialist wannabee who probably should live in some other country as you cannot compete here

 

[Perotista]

Disagree. Its fundamentally a waste of money, but the process by which this is being introduced is reprehensible. Its not Trump; its the issue. I don't care who wants to drive this idea, it doesn't upgrade its character from "dumb"

I do get that some people (a minority of people) think this idea has merit. OK. Well, lets see some real political negotiation. Have this a part of a comprehensive solution that includes real immigration reform. Trying to ram this down peoples' throats in this manner at this time is just plain wrong (and foolhardy).

Do a CR and work toward a real comprehensive solution. If the wall is a part of that, so be it....

I think there are a lot of cheaper and more efficient ways to deal with illegal immigration. Now neither side is willing to site down and have a rational discussion with each other over this. Illegal immigration like gun control, healthcare, abortion etc is just valuable of a campaign issue to solve the problem. this takes me right back to the two political parties we have putting their party first, second, third.

I may be crazy as all get out, but I have always thought there wasn't a problem we couldn't solve if we talk to each other, debate the subject, play some give and take, come up with an idea. Try it with the knowledge that it won't be perfect and that corrections will be needed. What needs to happen is Democrats opposing anything Republican or Trump and Republicans opposing anything democrat just because the other party proposed it.

I believe this is along with one party continuing to move further right and the other left, that both parties are shrinking. People are getting fed up with all of this party first crap. In 2006 36% of Americans identified themselves as democrats 32% as Republicans and 30% as independents. Now, in a short 12 years those figures are down to 30% democrat, 26% Republican and 43% independent.

The two major parties seem oblivious to this or they just don't care. Probably the latter as in our two party system, those two major parties will always have a monopoly on it. Both parties could drop down to 10%, but we would still be choosing between Republicans and democrats.

That's my beef, I don't know why I even started on the wall being I really don't give a hoot about it one way or the other. Perhaps it is just another symptom of party first, everything and everyone else whenever.