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THE PRESIDENT: Thank you all very much for your hospitality. We've just had a -- wide-ranging discussions on the matter at hand. Like the good folks standing with me, the American people were appalled and outraged at last Tuesday's attacks. And so were Muslims all across the world. Both Americans and Muslim friends and citizens, tax-paying citizens, and Muslims in nations were just appalled and could not believe what we saw on our TV screens. These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith. And it's important for my fellow Americans to understand that.
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If it were it would be self evident and the president wouldn't need to try and convince anyone.
Which one, Bush or Obama?
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On Islam, I agree with Bill Maher.
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Based on world events, it would appear the understanding and/or interpretation of the fundamental tenets of Islam have changed.
Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:
It kinda, sorta, tends to maybe look that way, doesn't it? :mrgreen:
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Well, seeing as how:
1. ALL stable Islamic nations have a homicide rate lower than America's,
2. The terrorist attacks in the Middle East are almost all inside nations that are NOT stable, and
3. According to stats provided by the American Medical Association, Muslims in America are ten times more likely to become doctors than 'normal' American citizens...
...yeah, when compared to the baggage that all major religions (including "Christianity") carry over the centuries, YES, with that perspective, Islam is a religion that does value peace.
Y'all need to get a clue that right now - right now! - is the most peaceful time in recorded human history...so when y'all start doing the chicken little thing about the sky falling 'cause Islam, you need to bear in mind that nearly every corner of the planet is MORE peaceful today than it ever was.
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Which "stable states" are you referring to? Does that include Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Qatar, and Maldives where Sharia Law applies in full and people can be beheaded or maimed for violations of religious prohibitions? Brunei where sharia law applies even to non-muslims? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_law_by_country
Why would there be attacks by muslims in nations where their government is muslim? Unless the nation is divided between Shiite and Sunni (like Iraq), which causes this instability, there is no reason for conflict. :shrug:
Like discussing the price of tea in China, WTF has this to do with anything???
NO! Islam was spread by the sword, or did you forget your history. As soon as it was halted in the far west at the Battle of Tours, the nations already converted from Granada through North Africa and the Middle East began to consolidate their gains "peacefully." Then with the Fall of Constantinople the Turks were able to advance without concern into Eastern Europe until the Battle of Vienna. As for the Far East? Muslim conquests persisted until the 16th Century in the Indian Subcontinent and the Steppes above the Tibetan Plateau.
There is plenty of "baggage" to share amongst militant Christianity and Islam. It is disingenuous to claim Islam is a religion of peace.
Are those nations stable? Yes. My point stands. Just because that nation doesn't work the way that you and I would both prefer doesn't mean that it's somehow an unstable nation.
The borders are rather porous as I'm sure you're aware...and if the Shi'a wanted to send terrorists into SA or if SA wanted to send terrorists into Iran, they could do that rather easily. What's more, there's tens of thousands of Shi'a in SA (who do face some persecution), and in the more cosmopolitan nations like Jordan, UAE, Bahrain, and Qatar, there are certainly both Shi'a and Sunni...and any number of members of the numerous other sects of Islam. My point stands.
You're well-educated and very well aware of the world...which means that you DO know how significant it is that in a discussion over whether Islam is a peaceful religion, that Muslims in America are ten times more likely to become doctors than are 'normal' Americans. You're not confused at all. You might be trying to dismiss the point in order to win the debate...but you do get the point.
FALSE: Muslim American Doctors and Shooters : snopes.comAccording to the American Medical Association (AMA), as of 2006, there were 921,904 U.S. physicians. The AMA does not report on the religion of its members.
Did I say that Islam wasn't spread by the sword? No, I did not. I DID say that ALL major religions have plenty of baggage...or do I need to point out the atrocities committed in the Name of God by mainstream "Christianity" over the centuries, including at least two centuries before Mohammed was born? What's more, as I said in the previous post, every single stable Muslim nation has a lower homicide rate than America - and that includes the third-world nations Malaysia and Indonesia. If Islam were an inherently violent religion, this would not, could not be the case. Again, my point stands.
Islam is not a religion of Peace. Neither is Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism or any religion for that matter.
No way José. Islam ain't no 'Religion of Peace'. That's just BS.
Guns don't kill people. Words in a book kill people.
No. Words in a book can motivate people to kill people. Ask any one of the billions who learned that lesson the hard way over the last couple millennia.
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