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Pregnant Texas teen died after three ER visits due to medical impact of abortion ban

Phys251

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Phys251 said:
Another woman killed by Texas's draconian abortion ban.

www.theguardian.com

Pregnant Texas teen died after three ER visits due to impact of abortion ban

Neveah Crain died in October 2023 after doctor reportedly called for two ultrasounds to ‘confirm fetal demise’
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Anti-choicers are NOT "pro life."
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Can't blame the doctors. They risk imprisonment if they take a chance. They have to wait until it is clear that they won't be put in prison for providing care.

What if they act sooner and the patient survives?

Anybody in Texas could sue them. It is up to doctor to prove they are innocent.

Who would take a risk with an AG like Ken Paxton?

Can't blame the doctors.

It's a bad law. It's getting people killed needlessly.

And it's driving good doctors away from Texas.
 
It's time for doctors who don't treat these women to lose their licenses. If plummeting blood pressure and sepsis does not constitute an emergency under Texas law, what on earth does? I'm done with excuses that they're afraid they'll lose their licenses because the Texas law is murky. I hope the doctors and the hospitals at which they work are sued every time a woman dies due to gross negligence. Maybe that will light a fire under them to demand the law be changed.
 
Argent said:
It's time for doctors who don't treat these women to lose their licenses. If plummeting blood pressure and sepsis does not constitute an emergency under Texas law, what on earth does? I'm done with excuses that they're afraid they'll lose their licenses because the Texas law is murky. I hope the doctors and the hospitals at which they work are sued every time a woman dies due to gross negligence. Maybe that will light a fire under them to demand the law be changed.
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This isn't the answer. The answer is to give women back the right to safe, legal abortions.
 
Argent said:
It's time for doctors who don't treat these women to lose their licenses. If plummeting blood pressure and sepsis does not constitute an emergency under Texas law, what on earth does? I'm done with excuses that they're afraid they'll lose their licenses because the Texas law is murky. I hope the doctors and the hospitals at which they work are sued every time a woman dies due to gross negligence. Maybe that will light a fire under them to demand the law be changed.
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Doctors asked Texas to clarify. Texas said, “No!”
 
Phys251 said:
This isn't the answer. The answer is to give women back the right to safe, legal abortions.
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Until that time arrives, doctors who refuse to treat pregnant women in crises due their state's abortion law and let them die need to lose their licenses.
 
Bok Tuklo said:
Doctors asked Texas to clarify. Texas said, “No!”
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Then they need to treat the women and take a chance on the consequences; sue the State of Texas, raise their voices loud and become a pain in the backsides of the legislature....they need to as M. Obama says DO SOMETHING.
 
Argent said:
Until that time arrives, doctors who refuse to treat pregnant women in crises due their state's abortion law and let them die need to lose their licenses.
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That's just putting a gun to the doctors' heads and forcing them to make a decision that could cost them their medical licenses...or worse.
 
Teatime said:
Why didn't they treat her sepsis tho?
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Good job missing the point. Exactly what I would have expected from an anti-choicer.
 
Argent said:
Until that time arrives, doctors who refuse to treat pregnant women in crises due their state's abortion law and let them die need to lose their licenses.
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If they are caught between jail and loss of license then you will likely see increased migration to other states.
 
Argent said:
Then they need to treat the women and take a chance on the consequences; sue the State of Texas, raise their voices loud and become a pain in the backsides of the legislature....they need to as M. Obama says DO SOMETHING.
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You are awful brave with someone else’s life and livelihood.
 
Phys251 said:
That's just putting a gun to the doctors' heads and forcing them to make a decision that could cost them their medical licenses...or worse.
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We are simply in disagreement over what the right thing is for them to do. They are choosing to let women die. It's medical malpractice when a doctor doesn't perform the standard of care regardless of a state's abortion law.
 
Argent said:
We are simply in disagreement over what the right thing is for them to do. They are choosing to let women die. It's medical malpractice when a doctor doesn't perform the standard of care regardless of a state's abortion law.
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Ever had to make a decision with a proverbial gun to your head? That's what these doctors are facing. Texas Repubs are the problem, not these doctors.
 
Phys251 said:
Good job missing the point.
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Excuse me but YOU missed the point. A pregnant woman cannot have an abortion while she has sepsis. Texas abortion ban isn't relevant to her death because she would have been denied until the sepsis was cleared up anyway.
 
Argent said:
We are simply in disagreement over what the right thing is for them to do. They are choosing to let women die. It's medical malpractice when a doctor doesn't perform the standard of care regardless of a state's abortion law.
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Its the trolley problem.

Do you let one person die so you can continue to save others or do you save one and are unable to save others?
 
Slartibartfast said:
If they are caught between jail and loss of license then you will likely see increased migration to other states.
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And that's happening, Idaho is an example of that. Women are at-risk of being denied care if doctors refuse to treat them and if the doctors leave their states. It's lose-lose for women.
 
Argent said:
And that's happening, Idaho is an example of that. Women are at-risk of being denied care if doctors refuse to treat them and if the doctors leave their states. It's lose-lose for women.
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Yeah, the situation is an absolute disaster.
 
Teatime said:
Excuse me but YOU missed the point. A pregnant woman cannot have an abortion while she has sepsis. Texas abortion ban isn't relevant to her death because she would have been denied until the sepsis was cleared up anyway.
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^ Look at this man trying to dictate the needs of women's bodies.
 
Slartibartfast said:
Do you let one person die so you can continue to save others or do you save one and are unable to save others?
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Texas's maternal death stats have been in the toilet for years so I'm not sure the above is relevant. And those doctors are not unable to save the others that we're discussing, they are choosing to not save them.
 
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