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Pregnant Texas teen died after three ER visits due to medical impact of abortion ban

Phys251 said:
^ Look at this man trying to dictate the needs of women's bodies.
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www.healthline.com

Abortion with Septic Shock

Abortion with septic shock can be a dangerous complication, but prompt treatment can aid in a better outcome. Learn how to reduce your risk.
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You always say it should be between her and der doctor...
 
Teatime said:
www.healthline.com

Abortion with Septic Shock

Abortion with septic shock can be a dangerous complication, but prompt treatment can aid in a better outcome. Learn how to reduce your risk.
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You always say it should be between her and der doctor...
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Why do you want to endanger women with abortion bans?
 
Phys251 said:
Another woman killed by Texas's draconian abortion ban.

www.theguardian.com

Pregnant Texas teen died after three ER visits due to impact of abortion ban

Neveah Crain died in October 2023 after doctor reportedly called for two ultrasounds to ‘confirm fetal demise’
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Anti-choicers are NOT "pro life."
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I read that article with a little bit of care. The young lady was not denied an abortion on legal grounds. Her first ER visit was flubbed due to medical incompetence. She complained of problems associated with pregnancy, and was diagnosed with strep throat. The dumbest redneck in America doesn't look down a patient's throat for complications with pregnancy.

The other ERs were kicking the can down the road, trying to avoid responsibility. A demand for two ultrasounds to confirm a problem with the baby is nonsense. Might as well ask for a CT and an MRI along with redundant ultrasounds. They already had a blood test indicating sepsis, FFS.

Better to look into the doctors and the administration who denied the lady prompt medical treatment.
 
Luce said:
Sepsis is hard to treat under the best of circumstances. If the problem causing the sepsis is still there, there is no chance at all.
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Doctors are not allowed to perform an abortion on a woman with sepsis. The sepsis has to be treated first. The Texas ban isn't even in play here, that was always prohibited.

AND she was 6 months pregnant so it's likely she would have been denied an elective abortion even without the sepsis stopping the doctor.
 
Argent said:
We are simply in disagreement over what the right thing is for them to do.
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Yes. You want the women to die OR the doctors to lose their licenses and possibly face prison time.
 
Beruit 1978 said:
I read that article with a little bit of care. The young lady was not denied an abortion on legal grounds. Her first ER visit was flubbed due to medical incompetence. She complained of problems associated with pregnancy, and was diagnosed with strep throat. The dumbest redneck in America doesn't look down a patient's throat for complications with pregnancy.

The other ERs were kicking the can down the road, trying to avoid responsibility. A demand for two ultrasounds to confirm a problem with the baby is nonsense. Might as well ask for a CT and an MRI along with redundant ultrasounds. They already had a blood test indicating sepsis, FFS.

Better to look into the doctors and the administration who denied the lady prompt medical treatment.
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Sure.

AND the State that decided they get off on young women dying.
 
Teatime said:
Doctors are not allowed to perform an abortion on a woman with sepsis. The sepsis has to be treated first.
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Interesting. Link?
 
Argent said:
It's time for doctors who don't treat these women to lose their licenses.
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If they treat them, those doctors risk losing their licenses and going to jail.

The problem is not that "Texas law is murky." The problem is that exceptions to abortion bans are not intended to actually provide exceptions to the abortion bans. They're a fig leaf designed to placate a small percentage of the electorate, and provide a false impression of compassion.

Argent said:
Maybe that will light a fire under them to demand the law be changed.
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Most doctors -- and Americans -- already want some level of legal abortion. The problem is that Texas is thoroughly in the grips of extreme conservatives, who will do anything to a) maintain power and b) ban all abortions.
 
Beruit 1978 said:
I read that article with a little bit of care. The young lady was not denied an abortion on legal grounds. Her first ER visit was flubbed due to medical incompetence. She complained of problems associated with pregnancy, and was diagnosed with strep throat. The dumbest redneck in America doesn't look down a patient's throat for complications with pregnancy.

The other ERs were kicking the can down the road, trying to avoid responsibility. A demand for two ultrasounds to confirm a problem with the baby is nonsense. Might as well ask for a CT and an MRI along with redundant ultrasounds. They already had a blood test indicating sepsis, FFS.

Better to look into the doctors and the administration who denied the lady prompt medical treatment.
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No, you didn't read that article with care. You just mansplained to women that their lives don't matter.
 
I just went through that link and it says nothing of the kind.
 
I don't know all the details of this incident but, according to the article, her first visit to the ER resulted in a diagnosis of strep throat. To my admittedly non-medical experience that wouldn't be considered to be a life threatening issue related to pregnancy which required an abortion to save the woman's life. The second visit, according to the article, found sepsis but, again, that isn't something that, to my admittedly limited knowledge, is related exclusively to pregnancy.

In the article(s) we are not told much of anything about the entirety of the situation but the Texas law is, of course, cited as the cause of everything that went wrong. The Texas law DOES NOT prohibit a physician from performing an abortion if the life of the mother is at risk. Sepsis would present such a risk but, if caught and treated properly, could have saved both mother and child. It certainly appears that there was a professional failing or two along the way when it came to this woman's treatment but I don't see how this was the result of the law.
 
Argent said:
It's time for doctors who don't treat these women to lose their licenses. If plummeting blood pressure and sepsis does not constitute an emergency under Texas law, what on earth does? I'm done with excuses that they're afraid they'll lose their licenses because the Texas law is murky. I hope the doctors and the hospitals at which they work are sued every time a woman dies due to gross negligence. Maybe that will light a fire under them to demand the law be changed.
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It's easier to volunteer someone else for being jailed for standing on principle than it is to be the person who is jailed for standing on principle. This is 100% on MAGA scum, not the doctors.
 
Luce said:
I just went through that link and it says nothing of the kind.
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Happy googling, then. You can also try ChatGPT or Grok. AND she likely would have still been denied an elective abortion even under Roe because she was 6 months along.
 
Teatime said:
Happy googling, then. You can also try ChatGPT or Grok. AND she likely would have still been denied an elective abortion even under Roe because she was 6 months along.
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No. You lied about what the link said, so you're dismissed.
 
Lutherf said:
I don't know all the details of this incident but, according to the article, her first visit to the ER resulted in a diagnosis of strep throat. To my admittedly non-medical experience that wouldn't be considered to be a life threatening issue related to pregnancy which required an abortion to save the woman's life. The second visit, according to the article, found sepsis but, again, that isn't something that, to my admittedly limited knowledge, is related exclusively to pregnancy.

In the article(s) we are not told much of anything about the entirety of the situation but the Texas law is, of course, cited as the cause of everything that went wrong. The Texas law DOES NOT prohibit a physician from performing an abortion if the life of the mother is at risk. Sepsis would present such a risk but, if caught and treated properly, could have saved both mother and child. It certainly appears that there was a professional failing or two along the way when it came to this woman's treatment but I don't see how this was the result of the law.
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It seems they're using this thread to vent their frustration at the likelihood of Trump winning and aren't interested in actually debating the issue.

I think you're right, this incident shows us there's a bigger problem of doctor's competency in Texas. I've had sepsis, it's extremely painful.
 
Teatime said:
It seems they're using this thread to vent their frustration at the likelihood of Trump winning and aren't interested in actually debating the issue.
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Oh, look. @Teatime is here to tell us what we're really thinking.

What I am thinking right now, my dude?
 
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