The only problem here is that Bernie Sanders is every bit as horrible as Trump in terms of policy, if not personality.
I am prepared to vote for Hillary in November, with revulsion - to prevent Trump from happening. There's no way in hell I would vote for Sanders or for Trump. And that, I believe, is the prevailing mood among moderates, libertarians and #NeverTrump Republicans.
There's a huge chunk of Bernie's fanbase that will not under any circumstances vote for Clinton. Probably big enough to hand Trump the keys to the White House.
Gary Johnson should be a good alternative for a Libertarian-right. He gets 10% in a poll on Fox News today.
There's a huge chunk of Bernie's fanbase that will not under any circumstances vote for Clinton. Probably big enough to hand Trump the keys to the White House.
Of those, if even 50% of them refused to vote for Clinton (and I'd wager the real number to be closer to 10%).
According to the most recent YouGov poll, 61 percent of Sanders voters have an unfavorable view of Clinton, against just 38 percent with a favorable one. YouGov has been tracking these numbers for several months,[1] and they’ve gradually gotten worse for Clinton:
If that very unlikely thing happens the Sanders movement will be toast like Nader's in 2000. Is that your real goal? To set the progressive movement back a generation? I don't think that is Sanders intention but his campaign appears to be hijacked by some who are clearly not on the same page as him.
See my above post. The only way she will win over that 61% is by nominating Sanders to be her running-mate.
What an asinine and baseless approximation that can be easily disproven.
See my above post. The only way she will win over that 61% is by nominating Sanders to be her running-mate.
And when Sander's turn her down (and he will) what will they do then? Sanders has a comfy place in the Senate and he won't want to leave it for a ornamental VP job.
There is no way Hillary Clinton will ask Bernie Sanders to be her Veep. It ain't gonna happen...and it would be a huge dumb political move.
Bernie would hurt the ticket. I love him...but his presence on the ticket is the kiss of death.
I agree but Bernie's boobs seem to have a problem with losing and ultimatums are the only thing they have left. Sanders has no interest in the VP spot anyway.
Either the Sanders people will wake up and vote for Hillary Clinton...or they will help Donald Trump and the Republicans gain the presidency.
We will survive.
OR, like I said in the post you quoted (but omitted the important bits), she can focus on the other 135 million voters in this country who did not vote for Bernie in the primary.
I'm so tired of the #bernieorbust people. I hope they sit out and stew on their irrelevancy and I can't wait to see their revolution fizzle out when it becomes really important during the midterms and governers races the next couple years.
Either the Sanders people will wake up and vote for Hillary Clinton...or they will help Donald Trump and the Republicans gain the presidency.
We will survive.
Wow, so you're telling me that if Hillary Clinton wins the nomination due to special-interest money, media manipulation, election fraud and voter suppression (by the way, it is not a coincidence that the only states she has won since March, AZ through KY, have been accused of such fraud) that we should vote for her in the general election because she will FIX the broken system that got her into power in the first place? :lamo
Especially when the candidate you support is running against a rigged electoral process and you got to Nevada and watch those in charge screw your candidate right in front of your eyes, and then proceed to VILIFY the supporters... calling them 'unruly' and 'throwing chairs'.
Yeah, because Americans are really going to sit down and obey despite watching their democracy get trashed.
Now, for the last time, for all rabidly devout supporters of the corrupt status-quo, summed up in one meme:
To get back to the topic at hand, after another failed attempt to de-rail a topic via Sanders-slandering bull**** and idiocy spewing forth from your bigoted and brainwashed ****-holster (mainly because you can't swallow the fact that Hillary is likely going to lose to Trump and it is going to be all on you and the rest of you zombified automatons), give up, and face it, Bernie Sanders and his movement are the future.
And there is nothing you and your Manchurian Candidate can do to stop it.
Wow, so you're telling me that if Hillary Clinton wins the nomination due to special-interest money, media manipulation, election fraud and voter suppression (by the way, it is not a coincidence that the only states she has won since March, AZ through KY, have been accused of such fraud) that we should vote for her in the general election because she will FIX the broken system that got her into power in the first place? :lamo
Especially when the candidate you support is running against a rigged electoral process and you got to Nevada and watch those in charge screw your candidate right in front of your eyes, and then proceed to VILIFY the supporters... calling them 'unruly' and 'throwing chairs'.
Yeah, because Americans are really going to sit down and obey despite watching their democracy get trashed.
Now, for the last time, for all rabidly devout supporters of the corrupt status-quo, summed up in one meme:
To get back to the topic at hand, after another failed attempt to de-rail a topic via Sanders-slandering bull**** and idiocy spewing forth from your bigoted and brainwashed ****-holster (mainly because you can't swallow the fact that Hillary is likely going to lose to Trump and it is going to be all on you and the rest of you zombified automatons), give up, and face it, Bernie Sanders and his movement are the future.
And there is nothing you and your Manchurian Candidate can do to stop it.
But with Sanders getting the blame for losing the election for the Dems it will set the progressive movement back a generation.
Seems you have forgotten that the "future" is not written yet and right now Sanders supporters are ruining the future of the progressive movement. It is almost like that is what they want.
Seems you have forgotten that the "future" is not written yet and right now Sanders supporters are ruining the future of the progressive movement. It is almost like that is what they want.
If you think attempting to change the rules of the nomination process at this late date somehow will endear Democrats to your cause you are sorely mistaken.
Most of us do not want to stop it, Abba.
We'll welcome it when it comes...after lots of work is put into getting us there.
But the clowns who think it will come (or be moved along) with the attempted election of Bernie Sanders are classic cut-off-nose-to-spite-face automatons (to borrow your phrase.)
Keep on dreaming. It is a nice dream...and I agree that we will GET THERE EVENTUALLY.
But we will do it despite people like you...not because of them.
I wasn't talking about anything as specific as the nomination process or even the election, I'm talking about the future of our country as a whole. This is the end of the two-party system. This is the end of the right-wing reigning supreme over our country, their politics, their culture, everything. It is all coming to an end.
And obedience to Hillary Clinton, Wall Street, the status quo and the establishment isn't going to change that.
This is America, not Germany.
The 2 party system is derived from our electoral process for electing a President. It require a winner to receive a majority of electoral votes or the choice goes to the House of Representatives. And they can pick anyone they choose. A viable 3rd party would increase the chances of an electoral stalemate and a President that nobody voted for. Is that you vision of the future?
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