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What is the definition of a "spending cut"? We know what a tax increase is. We've all seen that. We've never seen a government spending cut. What is it? Let's see, is it spending less next year than this year? No. It isn't that. So, what is it?
Actually it would be
wrong again
neither the boehner nor reid cuts reduce net spending
you really need to get the facts, sydney
I really don't think tax increases have a huge effect, espeically (sic) on those who make the most.
Generally, a spending cut is whenever they appropriate less than the projection for that year.
The military savings? They occur whether Reid says they do or not. Subtract that and you get a real CBO score and in recent news the CBO has told Reid that those cuts are not as substantial as he suggests, as in 200 billion worth of scoreable cuts and 2 trillion that occur if things go as planned with the military. Your source is off.
Dont forget Reid's bill also lets the Senate off the hook on writing a budget...like the last 2 years.
The military savings?
They occur whether Reid says they do or not.
Subtract that and you get a real CBO score and in recent news the CBO has told Reid that those cuts are not as substantial as he suggests, as in 200 billion worth of scoreable cuts and 2 trillion that occur if things go as planned with the military.
You won't get the reforms you belief are necessary in entitlements within the next four days. Not gonna happen. Either we take the best parts of both bills and combine them into one, or both parties will force the President to choose between facing a Constitutional inquiry which the nation will only see as a total capitulation by Congress' failure to do their duty and uphold their consititutional oath to protect the "full faith and credit of the United States" OR he will veto a short-term extension and the country will go into default.
Nice try at covering your mistake. You spewed your beer in your response to the NBER assessment that the recession ended in 2009. Did you forget already? Here it is again to remind you: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/104678-poll-debt-ceiling-deal-should-include-cuts-and-tax-increases-14.html#post1059671651
And this was from the person who hasn't provided any documentation to back up his claim that we are currently in a recession.
:sun
good point. we are in a post-Recovery Summer era of wealth and prosperity.
Snarkiness does not conceal your mistake, or your lack of acknowledging the same
A technicality in definition of what is and is not a recession doesn't save the argument. 1Q growth was 0.4%. Go explain your technicality to the 9.2% unemployed, and the 14% and > and 15% and > hispanic and african american unemployed population about how the recession is over. I'm sure they'll welcome you with open arms.
I think I already addressed the technicality and definition in my previous post. Re-read it as you've said nothing to change that it's a "technicality" based on a arbitrary definition.The fact that people who are unemployed are not happy with the current economy does not make it a recession. With more than 150k people entering the job market every month (on avg), slow growth increases unemployment, but it doesnt make it a recession.
You are making an appeal to emotion, which is a propoganda technique
I think I already addressed the technicality and definition in my previous post. Re-read it as you've said nothing to change that it's a "technicality" based on a arbitrary definition.
I'm simply taking political nonsense and bringing it to the people --- go tell the people how the recession is over and gauge the reaction. Growth needs to be at 5% to significantly improve unemployment. I seriously doubt real people, with real bills and real family's give a **** about your technicality. I've no need of propaganda ... it's in the statistics and the mouths of the people. Sorry you don't like it - but you not liking it doesn't change it. :shrug:
I've told people who called it a recession that it's not, and explained that it's slow growth. They agreed with me and I'm pretty sure they were "real" people, not fakes. I don't know who you spend your time with, but most people I know are glad to learn more about the economy and how to analyze it accurately.
Snarkiness does not conceal your mistake, or your lack of acknowledging the same
I'm sure you have... :roll: Not everyone I spend my time with is employed, or still has their home, or sees definition of a recession as relevant. What they see is how they can buy enough food and keep a roof over their heads. Tell me again how people just need to be more educated about the accuracy and definition of spending on an empty stomach... do tell.
I've told people who called it a recession that it's not, and explained that it's slow growth. They agreed with me and I'm pretty sure they were "real" people, not fakes. I don't know who you spend your time with, but most people I know are glad to learn more about the economy and how to analyze it accurately.
CNN said:(note: From Sept. 2010)
Economic experts may believe the recession is over, but try telling that to the public.
Seventy-four percent of Americans believe the economy is still in a recession, according to a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll. Only 25 percent think the downturn is over.
One-third of Americans say the recession is serious, while another 29 percent characterize it as moderate.
One small cause for optimism: the percentage of Americans who say the country is in a recession has dropped 13 points since August.
Recession not over, public says - CNN
CNN currently reporting that a deal is close; all cuts, no taxes; 3 trillion dollars.
no link yet. will be interesting to see the details if it passes.
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