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Politico:Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assault

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Sens. Rand Paul and Ted Cruz have joined an upstart effort to remove the chain of command from military sexual assault cases, POLITICO has learned.

The tea party favorites give the bill’s lead sponsor, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, critical conservative cover as she battles the Pentagon and hawks in both parties on her proposal to create a new prosecution system for major military crimes.

Paul is scheduled to attend a press conference Tuesday in the Capitol with Gillibrand and other bill backers, including Sens. Chuck Grassley and Barbara Boxer, to discuss his new position, which inches the New York Democrat closer to the 51 votes she hopes is all she’ll need when her proposal comes up for debate as early as next week.
Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assault - Darren Samuelsohn - POLITICO.com

Ted cruz and Rand paul are actually cosponsoring a proposal by the junior senator from new york, Kirsten Gillibrand. who would have believed it possible?
 

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Re: Politico:Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assa

Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assault - Darren Samuelsohn - POLITICO.com

Ted cruz and Rand paul are actually cosponsoring a proposal by the junior senator from new york, Kirsten Gillibrand. who would have believed it possible?
What would really be a shocker is to see John McCain co-sponsor anything Rand Paul proposes (or vice-versa). But I am happy to see this moving forward. Too many coverups. Too much corruption.
 

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Re: Politico:Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assa

It's a strategic move from a Republican party way too afraid of Reid's nuclear option.
 

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Re: Politico:Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assa

How's that? This has been being discussed in various circles for years and is now even more necessary because all branches of the military are working towards gender-neutral training requirements and positions.
 

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Re: Politico:Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assa

Just an attempt to get before camera's. Sex assault is not an epidemic in the military,contrary to the reports.
 

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Re: Politico:Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assa

Just an attempt to get before camera's. Sex assault is not an epidemic in the military,contrary to the reports.
Contrary to these reports?

Pentagon releases terrifying statistics of sexual assaults in the military ? RT USA

The Pentagon admitted this week upon the completion of a soon-to-be released Defense Department study that sexual assaults within the United States military are on the rise.

The full results of the survey will not be unveiled until later this week, but the Pentagon has already disclosed one particularly startling statistic: within the ranks of the military, the number of service members who say they’ve been sexually assaulted during the last year amounts to roughly 26,000.

By comparison, 19,300 service members answered similarly in a 2010 study, suggesting the number of attacks has increased by one- third in just two years’ time.
don't you think that women who are serving in the military have enough to worry about fighting the enemy, they should not have to live in fear of being sexually assulted by their own comrades.

do you have any evidence to counter the statistics?
 

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Oh hey, it's those reports issued by the source responsible for the problem. Why the hell would they have any reason to inflate the numbers in order to make themselves look worse? Makes no sense whatsoever.
 

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Re: Politico:Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assa

Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assault - Darren Samuelsohn - POLITICO.com

Ted cruz and Rand paul are actually cosponsoring a proposal by the junior senator from new york, Kirsten Gillibrand. who would have believed it possible?
This is merely part of Pauls attempt to get more publicity for his 2016 run for the White House and show people he is not his father.
 

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It is a problem. Not an epidemic. We don't need more legislation to solve it,especially from camera seeking pols trying to look "bi-partisan".
 

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Re: Politico:Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assa

As ****ed up as our political system is, it would be a million times more ****ed up if we couldn't get at least some bipartisan support for "Sexual assault is bad, Really really bad, mmmkay"
 

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Re: Politico:Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assa

It is a problem. Not an epidemic. We don't need more legislation to solve it,especially from camera seeking pols trying to look "bi-partisan".
well the generals and top brass are either unwilling or incapable of stopping these sexual assaults from happening, and the only one who end up being punished are the rape victims for speaking out.

If the military chain of command will not punish the ones committing the sexual assaults, how will the victims get any justice. If the chain of command will not act, who else but the congress has the power to act and stop these sexual assaults?
 

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Re: Politico:Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assa

As ****ed up as our political system is, it would be a million times more ****ed up if we couldn't get at least some bipartisan support for "Sexual assault is bad, Really really bad, mmmkay"
No. If you're for it, I'm against it. That's the way this works. And you assume that if you're against it, the evildoers on the other side are for it.
 

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Re: Politico:Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assa

No. If you're for it, I'm against it. That's the way this works. And you assume that if you're against it, the evildoers on the other side are for it.
No. I simply think it's ill advised. It acts as if the military is full of predators,and would give power to people that may not have the practical knowledge of how the military operates. It is interesting to note that Senate Armed Services Chari Carl Levin,hardly someone who is a conservative,opposes this.
 

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Re: Politico:Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assa

No. I simply think it's ill advised. It acts as if the military is full of predators,and would give power to people that may not have the practical knowledge of how the military operates. It is interesting to note that Senate Armed Services Chari Carl Levin,hardly someone who is a conservative,opposes this.
All the bill does is take people with a conflict of interest out of the equation. While I see your concerns about how the military operates, if you're a CO and one of your best soldiers is accused of sexual misconduct, you might sweep it under the rug to keep in the ranks, and then they may never face consequences.
 

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Re: Politico:Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assa

This is merely part of Pauls attempt to get more publicity for his 2016 run for the White House and show people he is not his father.
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Well, he is a politician, so there's at least some truth in what you say.
That doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong.
 

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Re: Politico:Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assa

I also find it noteworthy that none of the cosponsors ever served in the military. They really do not know what they are speaking of.
 

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Re: Politico:Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assa

I support this legislation. The Military senior leadership has had more than 20 years to remedy the problem since the 1991 Tailhook Scandal. The Pentagon's own reports reveal a continuing high incidence of sexual assaults. In the long-running absence of effective internal efforts, Congress should act. Given the time that has elapsed since Tailhook, appeals to preserving the senior leadership's primacy over chain-of-command as it relates to sexual offenses rings hollow. If the problems were not addressed in a serious fashion after more than 20 years, why should one have confidence that the same system would yield a different outcome now?
 

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Re: Politico:Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assa

I also find it noteworthy that none of the cosponsors ever served in the military. They really do not know what they are speaking of.
None of the co-sponsors are opining on military strategy. They are dealing with the incidence of sexual assault which is not unique to the military. Military service is largely irrelevant to this issue.
 
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