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Every day on this forum when blacks or other minorities are targets of violence or police abuse conservatives tell us that hate crime laws are unnecessary and racist, that racism is over, that whites are the most likely victims of racism, that ordinary American Muslims are a threat and that government investigations into white hate groups is unnecessary and unfair. This one incident alone shows how wrong they are.
This is a good example (assuming the shooting was racially motivated) of why hate crime laws are best described as anti-domestic terrorism laws.
I find it remarkable that some here are fixated on attaching a political ideology to a violent act as if political ideologies are inherently violent or any individual who adheres to a political philosophy is susceptible to violence as a result. What different cultures we live in. Here in Canada, a mass murder's political ideology would never even be of passing interest let alone the focus of analysis or investigation.
Actually, no, and I never said or implied anything about burying the problem. That's the stereotype you've created at work here. I am under no obligation to fit into the pigeonhole you've created in your mind for what a "con" is supposed to believe.Your comment was the same as multiple other cons in this thread, the focus is punishment (typical con/authoritarian position) and to bury the problem as soon as possible.
... You know?
Out of curiosity, if every single injustice, actual or imagined, against a black person is considered to be a sign of racial antipathy then how are we ever going to overcome this perceived disparity? People no longer seek solutions to racial issues. They only seek to use every incident to press their sociopolitical agenda.
They don't need to be. Unless your contention is that police officers in OH receive an extremely different training than police in SC and NJ. If that's the case, then in that case, there is clearly something wrong with OH's training given their results.
Please do enlighten us on what those facts are.The man is a conservative so there are some given facts that go along with that...
Why are some here obviously afraid of answering the questions as to what made this man this so extremely racist that he would this?
Answer that and wisdom will follow.
Both are ideology based crimes. They both generally try to make people change their activities. The whole purpose behind the acts of the KKK was to punish whites and blacks for acting like races where equal. If you were a white that served a black? Cross on your lawn and who knows what else. If you were a black that wanted to be served in a white only establishment? Probably a noose. The purpose of white supremacist is to change activities and lifestyles. To force conflict between races or punish groups they target.
It's the same freaking thing...in fact if we didn't have such a long history of racial motivated terrorism it would probably just be labeled under terrorism.
I find it remarkable that some here are fixated on attaching a political ideology to a violent act as if political ideologies are inherently violent or any individual who adheres to a political philosophy is susceptible to violence as a result. What different cultures we live in. Here in Canada, a mass murder's political ideology would never even be of passing interest let alone the focus of analysis or investigation.
Lmao, aren't you the guy who attached a video of black kids fighting to an entire race of people? Yeah, I doubt anybody on the other side of the isle cares about what you find remarkable as far as painting with wide brushes goes.
The shooter literally told his victims "You rape our women and are taking over country." He literally took a picture of himself wearing a jacket with the flag of white supremacist Rhodesia and the flag of apartheid South Africa sown into it. Anybody bending over backwards to pretend that this was not a racist attack is a ****ing psychotic apologist. What makes their stupidity even worse is that even though they are reluctant to call this single individual a racist, they would be more than eager to brand the entire black population violent if one black person committed a a similar crime and eager to brand the entire Muslim population violent if one Muslim committed a similar attack.
Why are some here obviously afraid of answering the questions as to what made this man this so extremely racist that he would this?
Answer that and wisdom will follow.
Sooo... Out of curiosity, would you put the same emphasis on the identity or political beliefs of that one nutbar who shot up the Family Research Council a few years back
No, I'm not. I'm the guy who rightly claimed that a video posted in an OP, not posted by me, another of your lies, showing a group of young black gang bangers kicking, punching, spitting on and otherwise assaulting another young black man said more about black America than it said about the American justice system.
I'm no expert on social media (academically speaking) but I do know that FB is a terrible reflection of who people are. I have 1000 people on my current FB list, and I rarely talk to most of them. The overwhelming majority are people who I've met through work. The people who I do talk to are either family members or close family friends. If somebody were to draw a conclusion from my FB account, they'd say I'm a socialite who is everything from an anti-vaxer (laughable really) to a gun nut (even more so). Yet, here I am being neither of those things and being extremely low key about my personal relationships.
Political ideology includes social views, it includes views on race, and is made manifest by the actions one commits. Again, this was the ultimate authoritarian act, most authoritarians are conservative.
All PD forces have slightly different ways of responding to given threats. A lot depends on the risk to the officers and the amount and type of crime in the specific community. Officers in Baltimore have different procedures than do officers in Podunk, Nebraska, for obvious reasons. Add the fact that no two people react in exactly the same way, and that no two incidents are identical and it becomes a practice in intellectual dishonesty to attempt to draw parallels. It's meaningless.
None of this makes him mentally ill. Irrational? Maybe. Murderous? Definitely. Mentally ill? Nope.
I find it remarkable that some here are fixated on attaching a political ideology to a violent act as if political ideologies are inherently violent or any individual who adheres to a political philosophy is susceptible to violence as a result. What different cultures we live in. Here in Canada, a mass murder's political ideology would never even be of passing interest let alone the focus of analysis or investigation.
Sorry, no, it does make them mentally ill.
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