TimmyBoy said:I know that the New Orleans Internal Affairs unit is investigating several of their police officers for taking part in looting. I sure do hope they institute some real and meaningful reform in that police department. I have to admit, despite some of the alleged criminal misconduct of some of these officers, I sympathize with police officers in general. They got a really tough job and are always in a situation where they can never win.
Canuck said:the nazis have control
americans can be rounded up and arrested without probable cause,for any reason
and bush likes to use torture,hes saving that for the last freedom fighters left in america
gitmo usa will be filled
NO police looters,criminals and worse
NO = neocon nazi organizational nightmare
Donkey1499 said:Nazis? So everyone you disagree with is a Nazi? Canuck? It was wrong fer them to beat up an old man, but not all cops should be labeled as Nazis! Damn. And Bush does not support torture. You probably got that from your Canadian News.
TimmyBoy said:Bush might support torture by flying suspects to Syria or some other Middle East country for interrogation so that he himself cannot be directly implicated in it.
Donkey1499 said:Explain to me how flying someone to another country is torture. Or were you just joking?
TimmyBoy said:See, American law outlaws torture. But it's not against Syrian law or some other nation's laws to torture somebody during an interrogation. I have heard that Bush got around American law by taking suspects that were in American custody and flying them to countries where it is not against the law to torture during an interrogation. It is a method of getting around American law and supporting torture without being criminally charged for doing so.
Donkey1499 said:Can you prove this THEORY? Cuz I'd like to see the facts.
TimmyBoy said:I could PROVE this "theory" but I think I would just be wasting my time. It was reported in the news sometime ago. It's really old news. Why do you put so much faith and trust in politicans? Don't you know they are crooks, some of the worst crooks in our society? Can't you see and understand that?
Donkey1499 said:I know that politicians are crooks, but I'd still like to see proof. OR is it that you can't produce the evidence? All you have to do is direct me to a website and I'll take it from there. You don't have to write all the details out.
Donkey1499 said:Nazis? So everyone you disagree with is a Nazi? Canuck? It was wrong fer them to beat up an old man, but not all cops should be labeled as Nazis! Damn. And Bush does not support torture. You probably got that from your Canadian News.
That part cracks me up...TimmyBoy said:Police Charged After Violent Arrest Taped By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer
53 minutes ago...
...Davis, who is black, was subdued at the intersection of Conti and Bourbon streets. Three of the officers appeared to be white, and the other is light skinned. The officer who hit Matthews is white. Defillo said race was not an issue.
TimmyBoy said:Police Charged After Violent Arrest Taped By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer
53 minutes ago
NEW ORLEANS - Two New Orleans police officers repeatedly punched a 64-year-old man accused of public intoxication, and another city officer assaulted an Associated Press Television News producer as a cameraman taped the confrontations.
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After being questioned, the three patrolmen were arrested late Sunday and charged with battery. They were released and ordered to appear in court at a later date, Capt. Marlon Defillo said. The officers also were suspended without pay, he added.
"We have great concern with what we saw this morning," Defillo said after he and about a dozen other high-ranking police department officials watched the APTN footage Sunday. "It's a troubling tape, no doubt about it. ... This department will take immediate action."
The assaults come as the department, long plagued by allegations of brutality and corruption, struggles with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and the resignation last month of Police Superintendent Eddie Compass.
The APTN tape shows an officer hitting the man at least four times in the head Saturday night as he stood outside a bar near Bourbon Street. The suspect, Robert Davis, appeared to resist, twisting and flailing as he was dragged to the ground by four officers. Another of the four officers then kneed Davis and punched him twice. Davis was face-down on the sidewalk with blood streaming down his arm and into the gutter.
Meanwhile, a fifth officer ordered APTN producer Rich Matthews and the cameraman to stop recording. When Matthews held up his credentials and explained he was working, the officer grabbed the producer, leaned him backward over a car, jabbed him in the stomach and unleashed a profanity-laced tirade.
"I've been here for six weeks trying to keep ... alive. ... Go home!" shouted the officer, who later identified himself as S.M. Smith.
Defillo identified the patrolmen as Stuart Smith, Lance Schilling and Robert Evangelist. Smith is an eight-year veteran of the department, and the other officers have each been on the force for three years, he said.
Police said Davis, 64, of New Orleans, was booked on public intoxication, resisting arrest, battery on a police officer and public intimidation. He was treated at a hospital and released into police custody.
A mug shot of Davis, provided by a jailer, showed him with his right eye swollen shut, an apparent abrasion on the left side of his neck and a cut on his right temple.
"The incidents taped by our cameraman are extremely troubling," said Mike Silverman, AP's managing editor. "We are heartened that the police department is taking them seriously and promising a thorough investigation."
Davis, who is black, was subdued at the intersection of Conti and Bourbon streets. Three of the officers appeared to be white, and the other is light skinned. The officer who hit Matthews is white. Defillo said race was not an issue.
Three of the five officers — including Smith — are New Orleans officers, and two others appeared to be federal officers. Numerous agencies have sent police to help with patrols in the aftermath of Katrina.
Under normal circumstances, it takes unusually offensive behavior to trigger an arrest on Bourbon Street. But New Orleans police have been working under stressful conditions since the hurricane.
Officers slept in their cars and worked 24-hour shifts after the storm. Three-quarters lost their homes and their families are scattered across the country.
"Our police officers are working under some very trying times," Defillo said. "So it's a difficult time, but it doesn't excuse what our jobs are supposed to be."
Many officers deserted their posts in the days after Katrina, and some were accused of joining in the looting that broke out. At least two committed suicide.
Conditions have improved — officers now have beds on a cruise ship — but they don't have private rooms and are still working five, 12-hour days.
Compass, the police superintendent, resigned Sept. 27. Despite more than 10 years of reform efforts dating to before he took office, police were dogged by allegations of brutality and corruption.
On Friday, state authorities said they were investigating allegations that New Orleans police broke into a dealership and made off with nearly 200 cars — including 41 new Cadillacs — as the storm closed in.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051010/ap_on_re_us/new_orleans_taped_beating
I'm sorry...Ima Troll said:this is perhaps the norm for conservative police officers
TimmyBoy said:See, American law outlaws torture. But it's not against Syrian law or some other nation's laws to torture somebody during an interrogation. I have heard that Bush got around American law by taking suspects that were in American custody and flying them to countries where it is not against the law to torture during an interrogation. It is a method of getting around American law and supporting torture without being criminally charged for doing so.
no apologies necessary; i forgive youcnredd said:I'm sorry...
good thing that they had a democratic boss; that must be why they got indictedI just spent some time researching the political affiliations of these officers...you know...the ones whose boss was a Democrat who was picked by a Democratic mayor in a predominantly Democratic city?...
you can pretty much tell by the level of violence which they displayed; they probably voted for bushI didn't find out how these officers voted or what their political affiliation was...
its in the way that they hit the elderly guyMaybe you can either direct me to your souce of this?...
nope; conservatives are generally more violent than liberals areOr maybe you can just admit you have none and just threw out partisan rhetoric...
conservatives have a higher tendency towards violence than liberals doOr maybe you can explain how this is a "norm"...
violence is pretty frequent among conservatives throughout nearly the entire strain of their political policiesThat would include a majority of actions such as this and the political affiliation of the officers who did them...
youre free to follow all courses, if youd like; actually, its your choiceYour choice...
TimmyBoy said:But yeah, driving off with a few cars is BS, if the New Orleans cops did something like that, they should go down hard for that one.
TimmyBoy said:Of course I can produce the evidence. I don't make statements like this unless I have seen the evidence first, you do understand that right? I have no reason or motive for defaming Bush. This was also reported widely on CNN. I am surprised you didn't hear about this. Here is an article:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content?050214fa_fact6
dragonslayer said:I did not get it from the canadian news, I got it from watching Fox News. I have seen our president and vice president emulatiing the the world worst Facists. Bush and Cheney obviously think that the way the Nazis treated the Jews, the Poles, the Russians, the Arabs of North Africa, the French etc. Bush and Cheney have decided to start a phoney war with Irag, next with Iran, and North Korea, then maybe Canada. In World War 2 Europe, the Nazis were responsible for close to 230 milliion dead.
Cheney and Bu__ Who? --- forgot his name sorry./// has sworn beat Hitler's record. Bu__ Who?, Cheney, Hitler, Tojo, and Mussolinii are in a strange competion for the worst of the worst.
Bu___ Who??? just has changed the wording so some standard forms of torture are not called torture anymore. Oh the mercenaries that work for the Bush administration, probably make sure that there are no longer video cameras in the prison faciilities they run for Bush and Cheney.
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