Poland designates July 11th Remembrance Day for Polish victims of Genocide at the hands of Ukrainian Nationalists

[Juin]

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And Ukraine is pissed!


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"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine considers the decision of the Sejm of the Republic of Poland to establish 11 July as a Day of Remembrance for the victims of the so-called 'genocide committed by the OUN and UPA in the eastern territories of the Second Polish Republic' to fly in the face of the spirit of good neighbourly relations between Ukraine and Poland," read the statement issued by the Ukrainian ministry on Thursday.
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Poland is going off script. Messing up all the hard work that had gone into shaping the narrative of the new world order. In this new script pushed by Bruxelles there are only angels and demons, and Europe is a Garden. A Garden of Eden as conceptualized by the Catalan Josep Borrell Fontelles. Beyond Europe is a jungle. Inhabited by demons. All of them Russian.

In the European script Ukrainians are angels. Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelensky is nothing short of Michael the Archangel. Ukraine a pearl of great price. The soul of Europe. Which brings us to the problem posed by the Polish Accusation. It is a Remembrance but also an Accusation. How can Europe be a Garden of Eden if its heart, Ukraine, is guilty of genocide?

Black Sunday

This was July 11th 1943. On this day the massacre of Poles by Bandera mobs reached its peak

Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia

The massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia (Polish language: rzeź wołyńska , literally: Volhynian slaughter; Ukrainian: Волинська трагедія, Volyn tragedy) were part of an ethnic cleansing operation carried out in Nazi Germany-occupied Poland by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)'s...

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[Grand Mal]

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And Ukraine is pissed!

Putin is grinning though!
He might as well pull out now. All it takes is one 'Nay!' vote to keep Ukraine out of NATO.
Or, hey, here's a thought- what if Poland is trying to lull (and gull!) Putin?

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"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine considers the decision of the Sejm of the Republic of Poland to establish 11 July as a Day of Remembrance for the victims of the so-called 'genocide committed by the OUN and UPA in the eastern territories of the Second Polish Republic' to fly in the face of the spirit of good neighbourly relations between Ukraine and Poland," read the statement issued by the Ukrainian ministry on Thursday.
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Poland is going off script. Messing up all the hard work that had gone into shaping the narrative of the new world order. In this new script pushed by Bruxelles there are only angels and demons, and Europe is a Garden. A Garden of Eden as conceptualized by the Catalan Josep Borrell Fontelles. Beyond Europe is a jungle. Inhabited by demons. All of them Russian.

In the European script Ukrainians are angels. Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelensky is nothing short of Michael the Archangel. Ukraine a pearl of great price. The soul of Europe. Which brings us to the problem posed by the Polish Accusation. It is a Remembrance but also an Accusation. How can Europe be a Garden of Eden if its heart, Ukraine, is guilty of genocide?

Black Sunday

This was July 11th 1943. On this day the massacre of Poles by Bandera mobs reached its peak

Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia

The massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia (Polish language: rzeź wołyńska , literally: Volhynian slaughter; Ukrainian: Волинська трагедія, Volyn tragedy) were part of an ethnic cleansing operation carried out in Nazi Germany-occupied Poland by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)'s...

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[Tigerace117]

Putin is grinning though!
He might as well pull out now. All it takes is one 'Nay!' vote to keep Ukraine out of NATO.
Or, hey, here's a thought- what if Poland is trying to lull (and gull!) Putin?

Or they are literally just remembering the murder of tens of thousands of Polish civilians at the hands of Nazi collaborators, and setting up a memorial for them.

 

[CaughtInThe]

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And Ukraine is pissed!


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"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine considers the decision of the Sejm of the Republic of Poland to establish 11 July as a Day of Remembrance for the victims of the so-called 'genocide committed by the OUN and UPA in the eastern territories of the Second Polish Republic' to fly in the face of the spirit of good neighbourly relations between Ukraine and Poland," read the statement issued by the Ukrainian ministry on Thursday.
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Poland is going off script. Messing up all the hard work that had gone into shaping the narrative of the new world order. In this new script pushed by Bruxelles there are only angels and demons, and Europe is a Garden. A Garden of Eden as conceptualized by the Catalan Josep Borrell Fontelles. Beyond Europe is a jungle. Inhabited by demons. All of them Russian.

In the European script Ukrainians are angels. Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelensky is nothing short of Michael the Archangel. Ukraine a pearl of great price. The soul of Europe. Which brings us to the problem posed by the Polish Accusation. It is a Remembrance but also an Accusation. How can Europe be a Garden of Eden if its heart, Ukraine, is guilty of genocide?

Black Sunday

This was July 11th 1943. On this day the massacre of Poles by Bandera mobs reached its peak

Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia

The massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia (Polish language: rzeź wołyńska , literally: Volhynian slaughter; Ukrainian: Волинська трагедія, Volyn tragedy) were part of an ethnic cleansing operation carried out in Nazi Germany-occupied Poland by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)'s...

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Why do you continue to support Putin as he murders children every day?

Dude. That ain't normal.

 

[Fledermaus]

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And Ukraine is pissed!


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"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine considers the decision of the Sejm of the Republic of Poland to establish 11 July as a Day of Remembrance for the victims of the so-called 'genocide committed by the OUN and UPA in the eastern territories of the Second Polish Republic' to fly in the face of the spirit of good neighbourly relations between Ukraine and Poland," read the statement issued by the Ukrainian ministry on Thursday.
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Poland is going off script. Messing up all the hard work that had gone into shaping the narrative of the new world order. In this new script pushed by Bruxelles there are only angels and demons, and Europe is a Garden. A Garden of Eden as conceptualized by the Catalan Josep Borrell Fontelles. Beyond Europe is a jungle. Inhabited by demons. All of them Russian.

In the European script Ukrainians are angels. Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelensky is nothing short of Michael the Archangel. Ukraine a pearl of great price. The soul of Europe. Which brings us to the problem posed by the Polish Accusation. It is a Remembrance but also an Accusation. How can Europe be a Garden of Eden if its heart, Ukraine, is guilty of genocide?

Black Sunday

This was July 11th 1943. On this day the massacre of Poles by Bandera mobs reached its peak

Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia

The massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia (Polish language: rzeź wołyńska , literally: Volhynian slaughter; Ukrainian: Волинська трагедія, Volyn tragedy) were part of an ethnic cleansing operation carried out in Nazi Germany-occupied Poland by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)'s...

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Location	Volhynia Eastern Galicia
Date	March 1943 - 1945

Relevance to Russia attacking civilians here and now?

 

[Rogue Valley]

Why do you continue to support Putin as he murders children every day?

Adoration and emulation of Putin.

Some folks just feel kindred with war criminals

 

[Juin]

Putin is grinning though!
He might as well pull out now. All it takes is one 'Nay!' vote to keep Ukraine out of NATO.
Or, hey, here's a thought- what if Poland is trying to lull (and gull!) Putin?

The Remembrance Day for the victims of Volhynia massacre has nothing to do with Russia. It is a purely Polish grievance for the massacre on Poles by Ukrainian Nationalists. The Remembrance Day is worrisome to Ukraine in the sense that it also keeps alive a claim to western Ukraine by Poland. The part that was part of Poland in the interwar years

 

[Rogue Valley]

The Remembrance Day for the victims of Volhynia massacre has nothing to do with Russia. It is a purely Polish grievance for the massacre on Poles by Ukrainian Nationalists. The Remembrance Day is worrisome to Ukraine in the sense that it also keeps alive a claim to western Ukraine by Poland. The part that was part of Poland in the interwar years

This is not the Europe Forum. Open a discussion about Poland in the proper location.

 

[j brown's body]

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And Ukraine is pissed!


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"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine considers the decision of the Sejm of the Republic of Poland to establish 11 July as a Day of Remembrance for the victims of the so-called 'genocide committed by the OUN and UPA in the eastern territories of the Second Polish Republic' to fly in the face of the spirit of good neighbourly relations between Ukraine and Poland," read the statement issued by the Ukrainian ministry on Thursday.
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Poland is going off script. Messing up all the hard work that had gone into shaping the narrative of the new world order. In this new script pushed by Bruxelles there are only angels and demons, and Europe is a Garden. A Garden of Eden as conceptualized by the Catalan Josep Borrell Fontelles. Beyond Europe is a jungle. Inhabited by demons. All of them Russian.

In the European script Ukrainians are angels. Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelensky is nothing short of Michael the Archangel. Ukraine a pearl of great price. The soul of Europe. Which brings us to the problem posed by the Polish Accusation. It is a Remembrance but also an Accusation. How can Europe be a Garden of Eden if its heart, Ukraine, is guilty of genocide?

Black Sunday

This was July 11th 1943. On this day the massacre of Poles by Bandera mobs reached its peak

Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia

The massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia (Polish language: rzeź wołyńska , literally: Volhynian slaughter; Ukrainian: Волинська трагедія, Volyn tragedy) were part of an ethnic cleansing operation carried out in Nazi Germany-occupied Poland by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)'s...

military-history.fandom.com

Not sure why Ukraine should be pissed. Two years ago, they paid tribute to the victims together.

Ukraine, Poland mark 80th anniversary of Volhynia massacre – DW – 07/11/2023

Poland and Ukraine are staunch allies in the fight against Russia's aggression. But atrocities committed during the Second World War cast a shadow over their relations to this day.

www.dw.com

 

[Juin]

Not sure why Ukraine should be pissed. Two years ago, they paid tribute to the victims together.

Ukraine wants the matter in its rearview mirror. Ukraine wants the matter forgotten. If paying tribute leads to that end, then all the tributes the Poles want. But a designated Remembrance Day means instead of the matter in Ukraine's rearview mirror, it is now galloping ahead of Ukraine into its future.

Keep in mind also that the area of Poland where the genocide took place is in Ukraine. This was a part of Poland of interwar years that was ceded to the Ukrainian SSR in the Stalin post war settlement. So the Remembrance Day also keeps alive a Polish land claim on Ukraine

 

[j brown's body]

Ukraine wants the matter in its rearview mirror. Ukraine wants the matter forgotten. If paying tribute leads to that end, then all the tributes the Poles want. But a designated Remembrance Day means instead of the matter in Ukraine's rearview mirror, it is now galloping ahead of Ukraine into its future.

Keep in mind also that the area of Poland where the genocide took place is in Ukraine. This was a part of Poland of interwar years that was ceded to the Ukrainian SSR in the Stalin post war settlement. So the Remembrance Day also keeps alive a Polish land claim on Ukraine

Commemorating it together isn't putting it in the rear view mirror.

 

[Tigerace117]

This is not the Europe Forum. Open a discussion about Poland in the proper location.

Maybe Ukraine shouldn’t honor the fascist thugs who carried out the massacres as national heroes if they don’t want people talking about said massacres.

 

[Tigerace117]

Not sure why Ukraine should be pissed. Two years ago, they paid tribute to the victims together.

Ukraine, Poland mark 80th anniversary of Volhynia massacre – DW – 07/11/2023

Poland and Ukraine are staunch allies in the fight against Russia's aggression. But atrocities committed during the Second World War cast a shadow over their relations to this day.

www.dw.com

You can’t “pay tribute to the victims” while honoring the people who carried out the atrocities as national heroes.

 

[Grand Mal]

The Remembrance Day for the victims of Volhynia massacre has nothing to do with Russia. It is a purely Polish grievance for the massacre on Poles by Ukrainian Nationalists. The Remembrance Day is worrisome to Ukraine in the sense that it also keeps alive a claim to western Ukraine by Poland. The part that was part of Poland in the interwar years

Yeah, my point was that if Ukraine ever wanted NATO membership it sounds like Poland might be the dissenting vote that keeps them out. Far as I know it has to be unanimous.

 

[Tigerace117]

Yeah, my point was that if Ukraine ever wanted NATO membership it sounds like Poland might be the dissenting vote that keeps them out. Far as I know it has to be unanimous.

It’s more likely to be Hungary. Or Turkey.

Or Slovakia.

 

[j brown's body]

Yeah, my point was that if Ukraine ever wanted NATO membership it sounds like Poland might be the dissenting vote that keeps them out. Far as I know it has to be unanimous.

Might depend on who is in power. Poland has been one of Ukraine's strongest allies in the EU for obvious reasons..

 

[Tigerace117]

Might depend on who is in power. Poland has been one of Ukraine's strongest allies in the EU for obvious reasons..

Poland has indeed been rather mercenary in their supposed care about the abuses of the Third Reich. Whenever Brussels wanted them to not brutally abuse the non-white, non- Christian refugees fleeing from places like Syria, out came the squealing about the “Fourth Reich”.

But that doesn’t change the historical facts.

 

[Grand Mal]

Poland has indeed been rather mercenary in their supposed care about the abuses of the Third Reich. Whenever Brussels wanted them to not brutally abuse the non-white, non- Christian refugees fleeing from places like Syria, out came the squealing about the “Fourth Reich”.

But that doesn’t change the historical facts.

Who ****ing cares about your 'historical facts'. There's nobody alive anymore who had any responsibility for what happened back then. All this crap is just you trying to grab an armload of righteousness.
Shut up about it already. You got dreary and tedious a looong time ago.

 

[Grand Mal]

Might depend on who is in power. Poland has been one of Ukraine's strongest allies in the EU for obvious reasons..

They're both seen by Russia as a buffer zone between Europe and the Motherland.

 

[Tigerace117]

Who ****ing cares about your 'historical facts'. There's nobody alive anymore who had any responsibility for what happened back then. All this crap is just you trying to grab an armload of righteousness.
Shut up about it already. You got dreary and tedious a looong time ago.

Gee, coming from the guy who keeps going on about the War of 1812 and the abortive US invasion of Canada that’s ****ing laughable.

I get that Canada would have proudly fought side by side with Nazi Germany if only it had been given the chance, much like America, but that doesn’t change the facts.

 

[Tigerace117]

They're both seen by Russia as a buffer zone between Europe and the Motherland.

Poland has seen itself as a would be ruler of Eastern Europe for centuries. They’ve never forgiven Russia for crushing the empire they did have.

 

[j brown's body]

Poland has indeed been rather mercenary in their supposed care about the abuses of the Third Reich. Whenever Brussels wanted them to not brutally abuse the non-white, non- Christian refugees fleeing from places like Syria, out came the squealing about the “Fourth Reich”.

But that doesn’t change the historical facts.

The current event fact is that they share a concern about the abuses of Russia.

 

[Grand Mal]

Gee, coming from the guy who keeps going on about the War of 1812 and the abortive US invasion of Canada that’s ****ing laughable.

I get that Canada would have proudly fought side by side with Nazi Germany if only it had been given the chance, much like America, but that doesn’t change the facts.

Idiotic post.

 

[Tigerace117]

The current event fact is that they share a concern about the abuses of Russia.

Poland allowed the CIA to set up torture camps on their soil.

They don’t give a shit about the supposed “abuses” of Russia.

 

[Tigerace117]

Idiotic post.

Yes, yammering about “it was a long time ago” to try and excuse fascist death squads when you keep talking about how America invaded Canada in the War of 1812 is indeed laughable.