aquapub
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Kandahar said:People aren't siding with the enemy if they criticize what George Bush has done to "protect" the country since 9/11, which is nothing.
aquapub said:That is outrageously false.
aquapub said:The Taliban,
aquapub said:the Patriot Act,
aquapub said:listening to international calls from terror suspects,
Kandahar said:1 That's your opinion. And even if you were right about that, it doesn't mean that people who disagree are siding with the enemy.
2 I agree that we needed to overthrow the Taliban after 9/11. But the way it turned out...International terrorism has hardly waned since the Afghanistan invasion.
3 How has that made us safer?
4 You mean without a warrant, in defiance of the law? How has that made us safer than obtaining a warrant would have? Or if you're just talking about listening to international calls from terrorists in general, we've been doing that for decades.
aquapub said:3 It is common knowledge that roving wiretaps is the only reason we are now able to keep up with the terrorists. Before them, we were fighting a digital war with analogue technology.
aquapub said:Furthermore, we can detain terror suspects with less red tape. It is asinine to try to prevent mass murder by following the softball rules of criminal investigation as opposed to the rules of enemies at war.
aquapub said:This is a core difference between Democrats and Republicans that keeps costing Democrats election after election. Democrats want to keep treating terrorists like criminals-the ineffective way we treated them for a decade leading up to 9/11 (pre-9/11 mindset)-while Republicans want to treat them as enemies.
aquapub said:Our way makes us safer.
aquapub said:And lastly, the ability of our government to now keep track of who is reading what in public libraries and such protects us by putting terrorists on the radar.
aquapub said:4 I was just talking about listening to international calls from terror suspects-which Democrats largely oppose. And having to get a regular FISA warrant can take long enough-with all the red tape and signatures required-that terror suspects CAN get away.
aquapub said:And there is room in the law for exceptions that pertain to urgent national security issues, which terrorism clearly qualifies as.
aquapub said:Liberals often complain that conservatives play the patriotism card merely to silence any opposition to whatever they are trying to accomplish, and then they say things like this:
“Our country is founded on a sham: our forefathers were slave-owning rich white guys who wanted it their way. So when I see the American flag, I go, ‘Oh my God, you’re insulting me.’ That you can have a gay pride parade on Christopher Street in New York, with naked men and women on a float cheering, ‘We’re here, we’re queer’-that’s what makes my heart swell. Not the flag, but a gay naked man or woman burning the flag. I get choked up with pride.” –Janeane Garofalo.
So, never mind that the founders introduced liberty to the world; never mind that they pioneered the liberation of people from tyrannical monarchies and dictatorships to establish an authority by consent of the governed …They didn’t get it just perfect from go, so they were horrible people and their ideas need to be disassociated from everything we do, right?
Two hundred years from now, I’m sure there will still be a liberal segment of the population who, like ours, ignorantly lashes out at earlier generations for not being as “advanced” as them, but the simple fact is, many of the founders wrote that they regretted having the economic need for slavery too much to have been able to abolish it from the onset. Many of their writings clarify that they knew it to be the abomination it was and hoped it could be done away with as soon as possible.
Garofalo’s uneducated smears typify the left’s rhetoric.
Liberals want people to believe their statements are reflective merely of them having a different vision for this country, that they are still patriotic, and that they still support the troops, but one needs not look any further than their own words to be convinced of their contempt. This is about the left’s simplistic, uneducated, hysterically unreasonable interpretation of the awful things America stands for; it is about hatred for this country and the left’s determination to undo everything it stands for.
Incidentally, the reason I chose the specific options in the poll is not only that liberal columnists, pundits, and politicians do these things, but also that EVERY SINGLE ONE of them has been done-most of them routinely-by liberals just on this site alone.
jfuh said:I'm curious, are there any threads in this forum started by "Conservatives" such as aquapub, or KC, Jamesrage that are actual debates instead of relentless "screw you liberals" rhetoric?
jfuh said:I'm curious, are there any threads in this forum started by "Conservatives" such as aquapub, or KC, Jamesrage that are actual debates instead of relentless "screw you liberals" rhetoric?
Calm2Chaos said:UH oh................. looks like the libbys are getting uptight ....LOL
Well, patent silliness is merely irritating at times. :roll:aquapub said::rofl Yep, I think you're right. I've touched a nerve. :lol: I suppose the truth hurts.
Sorry to burst your bubble aqua, but being liberal, we're not conservatively up tight as to not have humor.aquapub said::rofl Yep, I think you're right. I've touched a nerve. :lol: I suppose the truth hurts.
aquapub said:Liberals often complain that conservatives play the patriotism card merely to silence any opposition to whatever they are trying to accomplish, and then they say things like this:
“Our country is founded on a sham: our forefathers were slave-owning rich white guys who wanted it their way. So when I see the American flag, I go, ‘Oh my God, you’re insulting me.’ That you can have a gay pride parade on Christopher Street in New York, with naked men and women on a float cheering, ‘We’re here, we’re queer’-that’s what makes my heart swell. Not the flag, but a gay naked man or woman burning the flag. I get choked up with pride.” –Janeane Garofalo.
aquapub said:So, never mind that the founders introduced liberty to the world; never mind that they pioneered the liberation of people from tyrannical monarchies and dictatorships to establish an authority by consent of the governed …They didn’t get it just perfect from go, so they were horrible people and their ideas need to be disassociated from everything we do, right?
aquapub said:Two hundred years from now, I’m sure there will still be a liberal segment of the population who, like ours, ignorantly lashes out at earlier generations for not being as “advanced” as them, but the simple fact is, many of the founders wrote that they regretted having the economic need for slavery too much to have been able to abolish it from the onset. Many of their writings clarify that they knew it to be the abomination it was and hoped it could be done away with as soon as possible.
Garofalo’s uneducated smears typify the left’s rhetoric.
aquapub said:Liberals want people to believe their statements are reflective merely of them having a different vision for this country, that they are still patriotic, and that they still support the troops, but one needs not look any further than their own words to be convinced of their contempt. This is about the left’s simplistic, uneducated, hysterically unreasonable interpretation of the awful things America stands for; it is about hatred for this country and the left’s determination to undo everything it stands for.
Incidentally, the reason I chose the specific options in the poll is not only that liberal columnists, pundits, and politicians do these things, but also that EVERY SINGLE ONE of them has been done-most of them routinely-by liberals just on this site alone.
mnpollock said:Originally Posted by aquapub
... when was the last time you looked at the statistics of college graduates and their political leanings? I hardly think that its the LEFT that's uneducated. Funny how the red states are almost always last in terms of education rankings. But no, I'm sure your right. The Left is uneducated... :rofl
mnpollock said:Originally Posted by aquapub
Garofalo’s uneducated smears typify the left’s rhetoric.
Um... when was the last time you looked at the statistics of college graduates and their political leanings? I hardly think that its the LEFT that's uneducated. Funny how the red states are almost always last in terms of education rankings. But no, I'm sure your right. The Left is uneducated... :rofl
afr0byte said:And, it's wrong for her to be proud of what the U.S. has become, rather than being proud of the fact that the founding fathers were slave holders, how?
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