Planned Parenthood witch hunt LOL

[AGENT J]

Recently some people here and else where are attacking planned parenthood and stating they factually knew of what Gosnell was doing and action needs taken against them since they did "nothing"
this is based off of OPINION and LIES and but no facts . . . yet . . . or maybe never


Lets first start off by im only looking for FACTS, not lies and opinions.
If you dont like PP, thats fine by me
if you think or have the opinion that PP should have done more, that is also fine by me
but i want facts that show they broke laws or protocol

secondly, Gosnell seems to be a murderer and a criminal. He broke laws and protocol and i want him punished to the fullest extant of the law and rules. Id actually like to bring back public stoning for this asshole.
Also i feel this way about anybody that FACTUALLY aided him, FACTUALLY knew about his wrong doings and in turn committed crimes and broke protocol.

lastly if PP is factually guilty of breaking laws or medical protocol violations i want them punished accordingly too. Jail, firings, suspension what ever the max is for the violation.

Since i find the witch hunt amusing Id like to see how far it goes but at the same time id love to know if there is any truth out there or just lies.
Hell fox even blasted PP on one of their shows stating lie after lie that PP has "remained silent" and "not condemn gosnelle's actions" LMAO
they even compared it to, wait for it . . . . . Muslims NEVER condemning 9/11 in the last 11 years :lamothe lie fest was just in full force.
Also be clear im not picking on fox this is just what i saw for THIS topic, MSNBC is also full of crap on many things.

anyway my question to everyone is, does anybody have any facts that PP knew exactly what was going on there and broke laws/protocols in relation to gosnell. I have searched and read tons of articles and news reports etc etc, even the trial info i couldnt find any facts supporting PP broke any laws or protocols.

So did anybody else come across info that proves otherwise? please link it

 

[joko104]

They outright lie about PP all the time including on the forum. Claiming PP endorsed killing babies after birth - a lie. A lie they tell often.

 

[X Factor]

I still don't know why anyone should expect Planned Parenthood to condemn Gosnell for his abortion methods. They can't. To do so would be to condemn their own position.

 

[X Factor]

Recently some people here and else where are attacking planned parenthood and stating they factually knew of what Gosnell was doing and action needs taken against them since they did "nothing"
this is based off of OPINION and LIES and but no facts . . . yet . . . or maybe never


Lets first start off by im only looking for FACTS, not lies and opinions.
If you dont like PP, thats fine by me
if you think or have the opinion that PP should have done more, that is also fine by me
but i want facts that show they broke laws or protocol

secondly, Gosnell seems to be a murderer and a criminal. He broke laws and protocol and i want him punished to the fullest extant of the law and rules. Id actually like to bring back public stoning for this asshole.
Also i feel this way about anybody that FACTUALLY aided him, FACTUALLY knew about his wrong doings and in turn committed crimes and broke protocol.

lastly if PP is factually guilty of breaking laws or medical protocol violations i want them punished accordingly too. Jail, firings, suspension what ever the max is for the violation.

Since i find the witch hunt amusing Id like to see how far it goes but at the same time id love to know if there is any truth out there or just lies.
Hell fox even blasted PP on one of their shows stating lie after lie that PP has "remained silent" and "not condemn gosnelle's actions" LMAO
they even compared it to, wait for it . . . . . Muslims NEVER condemning 9/11 in the last 11 years :lamothe lie fest was just in full force.
Also be clear im not picking on fox this is just what i saw for THIS topic, MSNBC is also full of crap on many things.

anyway my question to everyone is, does anybody have any facts that PP knew exactly what was going on there and broke laws/protocols in relation to gosnell. I have searched and read tons of articles and news reports etc etc, even the trial info i couldnt find any facts supporting PP broke any laws or protocols.

So did anybody else come across info that proves otherwise? please link it

What is it Gosnell did that you find so wrong?

 

[shlunka]

I've only got my holy water and wooden stakes on me at the moment, the witch hunting will have to wait for another time.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

The obsession pro-lifers have with Gosnell is unsurprising and yet wholly irrational. A while back, a dentist's office was found to have exposed patients to AIDS and HIV. After that story, nobody tried to attack all dentist offices or use that office as proof that dentistry, in itself, is bad. Nobody did that because rational people know that illegal, dangerous behavior by one dentist office does not reflect on all dentist offices.

This line of logic escapes pro-life people and so, they've gone down the rabbit hole of trying to use a specific case of malpractices to discredit an entire type of medicine. It's both hilarious and sad. And, at the end of the day, abortion is still legal so ... congratulations, LOL.

 

[AGENT J]

What is it Gosnell did that you find so wrong?

that "i" find wrong?

well if the trial info is true which seems to be the case he broke laws, violated health codes, medical codes, endangered patients, committed murder, lied to patients, let unauthorized people perform medical tasks, ton of mal practice and endangerment etc etc

 

[AGENT J]

I still don't know why anyone should expect Planned Parenthood to condemn Gosnell for his abortion methods. They can't. To do so would be to condemn their own position.

no it actually wouldnt


but i do agree it is dumb to expect PP to condemn him since he isnt an affiliate of theirs

just like expecting Muslims to condemn terrorist and gays to condemn child molesters is also dumb.

The logic and facts simply dont add up.
all Muslims arent terrorist
being gay doesnt make you a child molester
just like being a healthcare clinic that provides abortions doesnt mean that you break laws, medical protocols and are a factual murderer

 

[X Factor]

that "i" find wrong?

well if the trial info is true which seems to be the case he broke laws, violated health codes, medical codes, endangered patients, committed murder, lied to patients, let unauthorized people perform medical tasks, ton of mal practice and endangerment etc etc

Ok AJ. I don't want to derail your thread. There are a number of others on Gosnell's actions and I know that's not what you intend with this.

 

[AGENT J]

The obsession pro-lifers have with Gosnell is unsurprising and yet wholly irrational. A while back, a dentist's office was found to have exposed patients to AIDS and HIV. After that story, nobody tried to attack all dentist offices or use that office as proof that dentistry, in itself, is bad. Nobody did that because rational people know that illegal, dangerous behavior by one dentist office does not reflect on all dentist offices.

This line of logic escapes pro-life people and so, they've gone down the rabbit hole of trying to use a specific case of malpractices to discredit an entire type of medicine. It's both hilarious and sad. And, at the end of the day, abortion is still legal so ... congratulations, LOL.

while i agree in premise its not fair to group them all together like that. There are pro-life people that are honest enough and not stupid enough to group them all together. Its only about 3 or 4 that i seen here.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

while i agree in premise its not fair to group them all together like that. There are pro-life people that are honest enough and not stupid enough to group them all together. Its only about 3 or 4 that i seen here.

Fair enough. I've seen several here, but I've also seen the same irrationality around the web from pro-lifers. I'm sure some of them are rational about it, but a lot of them have used this Gosnell case as a opportunity to discredit offices that provide abortion in general. It's dumb.

 

[AGENT J]

Ok AJ. I don't want to derail your thread. There are a number of others on Gosnell's actions and I know that's not what you intend with this.

nah, im ok with with it because its YOU, i dont consider asking HONEST questions a derail even if they arent quit on topic because i know your intent is to get info or to understand where i stand, not derail and troll.

so please feel free to ask away or just message me if you prefer. :shrug:

thanks for the consideration

 

[AGENT J]

Fair enough. I've seen several here, but I've also seen the same irrationality around the web from pro-lifers. I'm sure some of them are rational about it, but a lot of them have used this Gosnell case as a opportunity to discredit offices that provide abortion in general. It's dumb.

oh i would never doubt that, and i agree, its actually what inspired my thread. the activity here AND elsewhere.

 

[X Factor]

no it actually wouldnt

Actually it does. PP cannot ever concede that there's anything worthy of legal protection in the womb no matter how far along the pregnancy is or the manner in which a pregnancy is aborted. To do so undermines their whole position. If you look at the comments by PP and NARAL, their condemnation is only incidental to condemning pro-lifers.

 

[AGENT J]

Actually it does. 1.)PP cannot ever concede that there's anything worthy of legal protection in the womb no matter how far along the pregnancy is or the manner in which a pregnancy is aborted. To do so undermines their whole position. If you look at the comments by PP and NARAL, their condemnation is only incidental to condemning pro-lifers.

no because thats not thier stance :shrug:

of course they can and they do

thats the stance you presume them to have and they have factually already condemn him many times

also what gosnell did was not abortion, thats again why this has nothing to do with PP

ill look again when i have time (leaving shortly to pick up food at Quaker steak and lube ) but they called gosnell a predator and criminal for the actions he committed.

 

[Master PO]

Planned Parenthood of Delaware CEO Ruth Lytle-Barnaby (denied) any claims of unsanitary practices and said the facility is dedicated to providing a safe environment for women

Planned Parenthood of Southeast Pennsylvania President and CEO (admitted) at a fundraiser that he knew about the problems in Gosnell’s Philadelphia charnel house.

WORLD | Delaware Planned Parenthood facility accused of Gosnell-like horrors | Leigh Jones | April 12, 2013

 

[Jerry]

Recently some people here and else where are attacking planned parenthood and stating they factually knew of what Gosnell was doing and action needs taken against them since they did "nothing"
this is based off of OPINION and LIES and but no facts . . . yet . . . or maybe never


Lets first start off by im only looking for FACTS, not lies and opinions.
If you dont like PP, thats fine by me
if you think or have the opinion that PP should have done more, that is also fine by me
but i want facts that show they broke laws or protocol

secondly, Gosnell seems to be a murderer and a criminal. He broke laws and protocol and i want him punished to the fullest extant of the law and rules. Id actually like to bring back public stoning for this asshole.
Also i feel this way about anybody that FACTUALLY aided him, FACTUALLY knew about his wrong doings and in turn committed crimes and broke protocol.

lastly if PP is factually guilty of breaking laws or medical protocol violations i want them punished accordingly too. Jail, firings, suspension what ever the max is for the violation.

Since i find the witch hunt amusing Id like to see how far it goes but at the same time id love to know if there is any truth out there or just lies.
Hell fox even blasted PP on one of their shows stating lie after lie that PP has "remained silent" and "not condemn gosnelle's actions" LMAO
they even compared it to, wait for it . . . . . Muslims NEVER condemning 9/11 in the last 11 years :lamothe lie fest was just in full force.
Also be clear im not picking on fox this is just what i saw for THIS topic, MSNBC is also full of crap on many things.

anyway my question to everyone is, does anybody have any facts that PP knew exactly what was going on there and broke laws/protocols in relation to gosnell. I have searched and read tons of articles and news reports etc etc, even the trial info i couldnt find any facts supporting PP broke any laws or protocols.

So did anybody else come across info that proves otherwise? please link it

Now imagine if the President and key legislators came out to ban abortion over this....

 

[Scrabaholic]

Now imagine if the President and key legislators came out to ban abortion over this....

There's no valid reason to ban abortion over this, just like there's no valid reason to ban dental work because of one, or a few, dentists that are incompetent.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

The obsession pro-lifers have with Gosnell is unsurprising and yet wholly irrational. A while back, a dentist's office was found to have exposed patients to AIDS and HIV. After that story, nobody tried to attack all dentist offices or use that office as proof that dentistry, in itself, is bad. Nobody did that because rational people know that illegal, dangerous behavior by one dentist office does not reflect on all dentist offices.

This line of logic escapes pro-life people and so, they've gone down the rabbit hole of trying to use a specific case of malpractices to discredit an entire type of medicine. It's both hilarious and sad. And, at the end of the day, abortion is still legal so ... congratulations, LOL.

Exactly. And it's important for people to be called out on it every single time.

Basically, this is a way of trying to force pro-choicers into taking responsibility for Gosnell, as though he in any way represents what pro-choicers want.

Pro-choicers, being mostly decent folks, feel compelled to do so, and repeatedly denounce Gosnell, even though it should kind of go without saying.

It's a way of neutering the pro-choicer side by trying to force them to constantly defend themselves from the accusation that if they aren't scooting across the floor on their knees pedantically apologizing over Gosnell, they really just hate babies and find what he's done perfectly acceptable.

There's an easy way to fix that.

Just get up off your knees and stop playing the game.

Pro-choicers don't need to apologize for anything. They've done nothing wrong, and killing women and children has never been part of the pro-choice stance.

Their anti-choice opponents are simply trying to divide their attention to the point where they don't have any time to swing back at their dishonest rhetoric. So stop letting yourself get distracted and call out this BS when you see it. Simple.

 

[X Factor]

no because thats not thier stance :shrug:

of course they can and they do

thats the stance you presume them to have and they have factually already condemn him many times

also what gosnell did was not abortion, thats again why this has nothing to do with PP

ill look again when i have time (leaving shortly to pick up food at Quaker steak and lube ) but they called gosnell a predator and criminal for the actions he committed.

Their comments can apply equally to the other things he's accused of doing. They don't specifically condemn his abortion methods (and in that it aborted the fetus and the pregnancy, it is abortion) and their strongest condemnation is for pro-lifers, even claiming that pro-lifers are actually responsible for Gosnell (huh, that might be an interesting thread in itself). To be clear, all of this is totally fine with me and completely consistent with who I understand PP to be. Their condemnation would mean nothing to me anyway.

 

[Jerry]

There's no valid reason to ban abortion over this, just like there's no valid reason to ban dental work because of one, or a few, dentists that are incompetent.

Just as there's no reason to make more gun control over Sandy Hook, but imagine if the President decided to make a series of executive orders on abortion because of Gosnell......it would seem pretty stupid.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

Exactly. And it's important for people to be called out on it every single time.

Basically, this is a way of trying to force pro-choicers into taking responsibility for Gosnell, as though he in any way represents what pro-choicers want.

Pro-choicers, being mostly decent folks, feel compelled to do so, and repeatedly denounce Gosnell, even though it should kind of go without saying.

It's a way of neutering the pro-choicer side by trying to force them to constantly defend themselves from the accusation that if they aren't scooting across the floor on their knees pedantically apologizing over Gosnell, they really just hate babies and find what he's done perfectly acceptable.

There's an easy way to fix that.

Just get up off your knees and stop playing the game.

Pro-choicers don't need to apologize for anything. They've done nothing wrong, and killing women and children has never been part of the pro-choice stance.

Their anti-choice opponents are simply trying to divide their attention to the point where they don't have any time to swing back at their dishonest rhetoric. So stop letting yourself get distracted and call out this BS when you see it. Simple.

I agree and I've never felt the need to condemn Gosnell. His behavior has no connection to my pro-choice beliefs nor does it have any connection to medical offices that perform abortions while abiding by all laws. Any link between Gosnell and pro-choice people and organizations has been manufactured by irrational people who can't let go of the fact that abortion is legal. At this point, they're really just talking to themselves.

 

[minnie616]

I still don't know why anyone should expect Planned Parenthood to condemn Gosnell for his abortion methods. They can't. To do so would be to condemn their own position.

Here is PP's position

"Planned Parenthood condemns any physician who does not follow the law or endangers a woman's or a child's health, but we don't believe that politicians should be the ones who decide what constitutes the best, medically appropriate treatment in any given situation,"

Planned Parenthood did condemn Goswell for his abortion methods.


April 22, 2013

The defense of controversial abortion Dr. Kermitt Gosnell gets underway in Phialdelphia this week, but he cannot expect any support from some of the country's most pro abortion rights advocacy organizations who "unequivocally denounced" his practice.

Leaders from Pro-Choice America, Planned Parenthood and the National Abortion Federation said that Gosnell's abortion clinic was an affront to high-quality, safe abortion clinics who operate under proper regulations across the country.

Gosnell's attorneys were supposed to begin their defense today but it was postponed until Tuesday due to illness on the defense team. The trial is entering its sixth week of testimony in the high-profile tril

http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-d...emned-pro-abortion-rights/story?id=18958384al, which could result in the death penalty for Gosnell.

 

[AGENT J]

Their comments can apply equally to the other things he's accused of doing. They don't specifically condemn his abortion methods (and in that it aborted the fetus and the pregnancy, it is abortion) and their strongest condemnation is for pro-lifers, even claiming that pro-lifers are actually responsible for Gosnell (huh, that might be an interesting thread in itself). To be clear, all of this is totally fine with me and completely consistent with who I understand PP to be. Their condemnation would mean nothing to me anyway.

but that just it, his abortion methods are in question that i know of, or at least i have read, but they may be if i missed something

over druggin women, inducing labor and then cutting the head off a living child or snipping its spinal cord is not abortion

im not sure what you are saying?

it seems you want PP to condemn him a very certain way, what would be the verbiage you would pick and why?

 

[minnie616]

Actually it does. PP cannot ever concede that there's anything worthy of legal protection in the womb no matter how far along the pregnancy is or the manner in which a pregnancy is aborted. To do so undermines their whole position. If you look at the comments by PP and NARAL, their condemnation is only incidental to condemning pro-lifers.

Planned Parenthood does NOT perform abortions after viability.

even in states where it’s not against the law to perform late-term induced abortions — Planned Parenthood clinics don’t provide that type of service. Many Planned Parenthood affiliates only perform abortions in the first trimester of pregnancy, when women can either take a pill or have a less-invasive surgical procedure.

How The Right Wing Manufactured A Fake Controversy Over Planned Parenthood's 'Infanticide' | ThinkProgress