How idiotic. The NRA does not cover up gun crime, it advocates for stopping it and prosecuting it.
How idiotic. The NRA does not cover up gun crime, it advocates for stopping it and prosecuting it.
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The sources for this seem dubious at best, and if I had to put money on it, I'd bet they are taking something completely out of context, but if planned parenthood knew exactly what was going on and didn't report it then they really should fire anyone who knew and didn't report.
But I highly doubt it.
Sorry, I'm going to need an actual source.
The Fox link just goes to LifeNews, which I trust about as much as MediaMatters or InfoWars, which is to say about 80% less than Fox, which I don't trust very much to begin with.
But talking about whether I trust information from LifeNews is jumping the gun, since the link provides no information anyway. There are no quotes. It doesn't even specify *what* PP supposedly knew. It says the statements were made at a fundraiser, so I clicked the link to THAT article, and guess what? It goes to yet another LifeNews article, and it doesn't mention anything about anyone at PP being aware of Gosnell's actions.
So as of yet, you haven't provided any facts.
Even that being the case, PP is not the police department. What exactly was anyone expecting them to do about a facility that isn't theirs with nothing but secondhand information?
But that's not even worth going into until you provide actual evidence that this even happened. Right now, it looks like some sort of rumor invented from thin air by LifeNews.
Steinberg said that when Gosnell was in practice, women would sometimes come to Planned Parenthood for services after first visiting Gosnell's West Philadelphia clinic, and would complain to staff about the conditions there.
"We would always encourage them to report it to the Department of Health," Steinberg said as she sat with Steinem before Tuesday's events.
Of the Gosnell trial, Steinem added: "It makes more clear why you need Planned Parenthood."
Steinem stresses reproductive rights at Planned Parenthood gathering - Philly.com
Here is actual source, which you can get to by clicking on the link in the OP, then on a link on life news.
If the PP President was made aware of complaints about this guy, it doesn't mean he knew about it until Gosnell got busted. However, it does mean that someone that works for PP eventually told him the story about getting complaints re: Gosnell.
Therefore, you can make the statement: PP knew about the Gosnell problems, but didn't report it themselves.
Care to put forth your argument rationally for why an unborn child is not human?
Because it doesn't have human DNA? Nope.
Because it doesn't meet the biological definition of life? Nope.
So why is it not a human life?
Technically, if you're going by the definition of life, A ZEF is not alive. In order to be alive it must be able to reproduce or have the ability to reproduce. A zygote has no organs that can be deemed for the use of reproducing. Semantics...but true none the less.
So under this logic we can charge the NRA and gun dealers with negligence also? Oh yeah, the right does not like their hypocricy pointed out.
That is a terrible interpretation of the Reproduction criteria. If we assume that the immediate ability to procreate is what that criteria means then by your argument no child is alive until puberty.
More to the point, at the moment of conception that one fertilized egg has the potential to split into identical twins, essentially meeting the criteria for reproduction from the moment of fertilization.
"...Planned Parenthood Southeast Pennsylvania president and CEO Dayle Steinberg admitted this week at a fundraiser that the abortion business knew of the problems at Gosnell’s Philadelphia abortion facility.
Apparently Planned Parenthood did not report it to the state health department or other state or local officials who could have done something about it. Instead, it appears the abortion giant left it up to women Gosnell injured or traumatized to make public officials aware of his House of Horrors." Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors | Dr. Kermit Gosnell | Fox Nation
Here is part of what Steinberg said at Planned Parenthood Pennsylvania's Spring Gathering:
“The Gosnell trial has shifted the focus off the high-quality services we provide,” said Dayle Steinberg, the organization’s president and chief executive. “These are criminal, horrendous . . . acts and should be appropriately punished. ...We would always encourage them to report it to the Department of Health." Gosnell worker testifies to seeing baby make swimming motion in toilet « Hot Air
PP was not required to report Gosnell...but why didn't they anyway when they knew what he was doing? Why did they leave it to individual women who had been patients to contact the Dept. of Health?
Suggests collusion to me.
So under this logic we can charge the NRA and gun dealers with negligence also? Oh yeah, the right does not like their hypocricy pointed out.
Planned Parenthood needs to have all subsidies it receives from the Government revoked immediately
Actually a newborn has the reproductive organs, which is all thats necessary for the definition of life to apply. I never said that they had to immediately be able to reproduce. Hence the reason that I said "have the ability to reproduce".
And no, splitting into twins does not mean that it is "reproducing". In order to reproduce it has to come from one or more seperate entities creating a second or more entity. Edit: Unless you are contending that an egg is an entity?
The sources for this seem dubious at best, and if I had to put money on it, I'd bet they are taking something completely out of context, but if planned parenthood knew exactly what was going on and didn't report it then they really should fire anyone who knew and didn't report.
But I highly doubt it.
Apparently, Pennsylvania law doesn't require reporting, so it's not a question, I guess, of legality. (Re the larger issue which is a systemic failure of the state's/city's health departments to follow up on inspections and etc., this is a matter of real incompetence.) Should PP have been ethically bound as its employees heard from women what was going on in the Gosnell clinic? Yes.
The primary source of the bit I quoted in the OP from Fox and Hot Air was LifeNews. I can see that for some, this would obviously be suspect. But before I posted the OP, I checked. If you did, then you know that multiple sources have reported on what Steinberg said at the fundraising event. It's quoted. If you think the quotes are made up, offer evidence. Has Steinberg, for example, denied that she said what has been widely quoted? Easy enough to verify, so do it.
If you can't, then please stop shooting the messengers, which include the Wall Street Journal, a legit source whether you share its POV or not.
Hah, no. You just made that up. Asexual organisms have no sexual organs... aren't they alive?
Also, even accepting this ridiculous argument creates problems for you: Human genitals begin to form in week 6. Is it alive then?
Yes, I am contending it is an entity since it is easily differentiated from the mother by DNA.
the question still remains what does PP factually have to do with this?
if they didnt have real evidence they werent obligated to do anything in a case like this especially since it was not their facilities.
Now if they did have evidence then id be 100% on board but that doesnt seem to be the case yet
What were they going to report? "Someone said something bad about Gosnell"???
That's absurd. PP couldn't reveal the name of its' clients (HIPAA) so all they had was hearsay.
Technically, if you're going by the definition of life, A ZEF is not alive. In order to be alive it must be able to reproduce or have the ability to reproduce. A zygote has no organs that can be deemed for the use of reproducing. Semantics...but true none the less.
What were they going to report?....
Agent J said:thats what i asked in post 34, i dont get it?
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