Planet Kolob? Can someone explain this? (1 Viewer)

[avusbluem5]

Was doing some research on Romney, and came across this... Thought I'd been misdirected to a Scientology site. WTF?



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Update: Wikipedia to the rescue...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob

Wow... no wonder he doesn't talk about Mormonism that much.

 

[tessaesque]

Doesn't seem anymore extreme, radical, or odd to me than the existence of heaven and hell.

 

[avusbluem5]

Doesn't seem anymore extreme, radical, or odd to me than the existence of heaven and hell.

I take that to mean you view the existence of heaven and hell as extreme, radical and odd. Amirite?

 

[tessaesque]

I take that to mean you view the existence of heaven and hell as extreme, radical and odd. Amirite?

Not exactly. Belief in things that cannot be proven (or that cannot be confirmed to have been proven, as the dead don't tell tales) is something I don't endorse or support....personally. And religious belief (almost all religious belief) requires one to believe in several things that cannot be proven through scientific means.

So Christianity speaks of heaven and hell...can't prove it
Buddhism speaks of Nirvana...can't prove it.
Hinduism speaks of returning your essence to Brahman....can't prove it.
Mormonism speaks of Kolob...can't prove it.
etc., etc., etc.

So the insinuation that Mormonism is somehow built on craziness because their unverifiable belief is different than Catholicism's seems silly to me. If any of them are right, who are we to say which one that is? And if they're all wrong, who are we to say which is "worse"? Action taken in the name of religion is really the only arena we should concern ourselves with, beliefs regarding the location of God and the afterlife are pretty inconsequential.

 

[Samhain]

Not exactly. Belief in things that cannot be proven (or that cannot be confirmed to have been proven, as the dead don't tell tales) is something I don't endorse or support....personally. And religious belief (almost all religious belief) requires one to believe in several things that cannot be proven through scientific means.

So Christianity speaks of heaven and hell...can't prove it
Buddhism speaks of Nirvana...can't prove it.
Hinduism speaks of returning your essence to Brahman....can't prove it.
Mormonism speaks of Kolob...can't prove it.
etc., etc., etc.

So the insinuation that Mormonism is somehow built on craziness because their unverifiable belief is different than Catholicism's seems silly to me. If any of them are right, who are we to say which one that is? And if they're all wrong, who are we to say which is "worse"? Action taken in the name of religion is really the only arena we should concern ourselves with, beliefs regarding the location of God and the afterlife are pretty inconsequential.

I think something that can't be proven is the basis of religion. If you can prove it, there is nothing to believe in. Its part of religion to have faith in something larger than yourself that you can't touch, see, or hear, but you can try to emulate.

 

[Harshaw]

There is, of course, a religion forum.

 

[avusbluem5]

Not exactly. Belief in things that cannot be proven (or that cannot be confirmed to have been proven, as the dead don't tell tales) is something I don't endorse or support....personally. And religious belief (almost all religious belief) requires one to believe in several things that cannot be proven through scientific means.

So Christianity speaks of heaven and hell...can't prove it
Buddhism speaks of Nirvana...can't prove it.
Hinduism speaks of returning your essence to Brahman....can't prove it.
Mormonism speaks of Kolob...can't prove it.
etc., etc., etc.

So the insinuation that Mormonism is somehow built on craziness because their unverifiable belief is different than Catholicism's seems silly to me. If any of them are right, who are we to say which one that is? And if they're all wrong, who are we to say which is "worse"? Action taken in the name of religion is really the only arena we should concern ourselves with, beliefs regarding the location of God and the afterlife are pretty inconsequential.

I see you categorize Mormons as Non-Christian. Interesting, because that is not how Romney portrays himself, nor his religion.

 

[avusbluem5]

There is, of course, a religion forum.

I am not interested in debating the ins/outs of Mormonism, but rather how it impacts the 2012 Presidential Race. Thanks for your suggestion tho.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

There is, of course, a religion forum.

Not one where you can question or debate said belief. That's a pro-faith forum, skepticism gets you infractions.

 

[MaggieD]

Was doing some research on Romney, and came across this... Thought I'd been misdirected to a Scientology site. WTF?



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Update: Wikipedia to the rescue...

Kolob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow... no wonder he doesn't talk about Mormonism that much.

What? Should we start talking about Christianity? A virgin birth? Parting the Red Sea? Feeding thousands with one bowl? Dead man walking?

And why would Mitt Romney talk about Mormonism? Does Barack Obama talk about the First Baptist Church?

You think you've found some kind of "gotcha moment"? I suggest you keep looking.

 

[tessaesque]

I see you categorize Mormons as Non-Christian. Interesting, because that is not how Romney portrays himself, nor his religion.

I thought twice about making the designation, but I figured it was the most simple means of portraying the difference between heaven/hell Christianity and the Mormon belief in Kolob. Christianity is basically a belief in an Abrahamic God, so in that sense they DO qualify. I wasn't intentionally trying to caste Mormonism as wholly anti-Christianity.

 

[Harshaw]

I am not interested in debating the ins/outs of Mormonism, but rather how it impacts the 2012 Presidential Race.

Considering your first post, that is an outright lie.

 

[Deuce]

These impossible stories are normal but these other impossible stories are just plain crazy!

 

[avusbluem5]

Considering your first post, that is an outright lie.

Considering the Republican nominee for President is a Mormon, you'd be wrong.

 

[avusbluem5]

I thought twice about making the designation, but I figured it was the most simple means of portraying the difference between heaven/hell Christianity and the Mormon belief in Kolob. Christianity is basically a belief in an Abrahamic God, so in that sense they DO qualify. I wasn't intentionally trying to caste Mormonism as wholly anti-Christianity.

I don't think that is correct, as that would include the Jewish religion. But that is a different discussion.

I suppose I always just assumed they were a different branch of Christianity, like Catholics, Baptist, Methodist, etc... but this Kolob thing has given me some doubts that Mormonism is what I thought it was. I wonder if others have given this consideration in the context of the upcoming election. Based on many of the (i assume) conservatives responses so far, this seems to be a touchy subject.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

I don't know whose hypocrisy I find more amusing-- the devout of mainstream religions finding my religious beliefs 'ludicrous' compared to theirs, or the condescending atheists talking about 'fairy tales' who nonetheless consider my religious beliefs that much more ludicrous than the beliefs they're more accustomed to belittling.

Every religion is strange to those who do not believe in it.

 

[marduc]

Considering the Republican nominee for President is a Mormon, you'd be wrong.

So how does Kolob impact the race then? Why does it matter unless he is going to be taking secret orders from the Kolab kabal?

Even if so, past presidents have no problem saying they turn to Yahweh for guidance, pretty much the same situation, just one parallels your beliefs more than the other (and those Kolob believing Mormons turn to the same Yahweh guy as the others, they just have a different opinion of where he lives).

Its all about the same on the absurdity scale to me.

 

[tessaesque]

I don't think that is correct, as that would include the Jewish religion. But that is a different discussion.

I suppose I always just assumed they were a different branch of Christianity, like Catholics, Baptist, Methodist, etc... but this Kolob thing has given me some doubts that Mormonism is what I thought it was. I wonder if others have given this consideration in the context of the upcoming election. Based on many of the (i assume) conservatives responses so far, this seems to be a touchy subject.

You're right. Would have made more sense to say, "Christianity is foremost based on a belief in an Abrahamic God and varies from there". And in truth, I'm unaware of whether or not Mormonism views Jesus the same way that Catholicism or most Protestant faiths would...

 

[marduc]

You're right. Would have made more sense to say, "Christianity is foremost based on a belief in an Abrahamic God and varies from there". And in truth, I'm unaware of whether or not Mormonism views Jesus the same way that Catholicism or most Protestant faiths would...

Other than a few differences, like him making a surprise visit to the Americas post crucifixion and prior to being resurrected, its the same guy, and they view him the same way. At least that sure seemed to be the case when I was a kid being raised in the Church. Huge emphasis on Jesus and the bible and the bible stories. They just tack on a few extra tales above and beyond the others.

 

[tessaesque]

Other than a few differences, like him making a surprise visit to the Americas post crucifixion and prior to being resurrected, its the same guy, and they view him the same way. At least that sure seemed to be the case when I was a kid being raised in the Church. Huge emphasis on Jesus and the bible and the bible stories. They just tack on a few extra tales above and beyond the others.

Admittedly, Mormonism (outside of the radical versions) isn't a form of religious practice I'm incredibly familiar with. I only enough to say they're not a religion I equate with direct intent to cause harm, and that's really all I care about.

 

[marduc]

Admittedly, Mormonism (outside of the radical versions) isn't a form of religious practice I'm incredibly familiar with. I only enough to say they're not a religion I equate with direct intent to cause harm, and that's really all I care about.

They are basically Christians who tack on a few bonus tales to the ones in the bible. Well meaning kind people for the most part (other than gossipy and intrusive regarding the lives and perceived sins and foibles of their bretheren). They are no worse than many other breeds of sheep in Jesus' pasture for the most part.

For all I am concerned.. keep your faith a private matter between you and your god, and out of your governance and I could care less what it is.. unfortunately there are many that do not do this. Romney at least is acceptable in this area to me, much more so than someone like Huckabee, or Bachmann

 

[Ikari]

For all I am concerned.. keep your faith a private matter between you and your god, and out of your governance and I could care less what it is.. unfortunately there are many that do not do this.

I agree, but it's almost impossible to keep religion out of it because so many people apparently use it as a huge decision making property. Atheists are one of the least electable groups in America solely because they don't believe in a god. When the people are pushing for religious conformity, it's hard to keep it out of the elections.

 

[digsbe]

Doesn't seem any less crazy than the belief that there is no God/creator

:mrgreen:

 

[Harshaw]

Considering the Republican nominee for President is a Mormon, you'd be wrong.

Yes, which is obviously why you wish to ridicule its beliefs. You're fooling no one.

 

[marduc]

I agree, but it's almost impossible to keep religion out of it because so many people apparently use it as a huge decision making property. Atheists are one of the least electable groups in America solely because they don't believe in a god. When the people are pushing for religious conformity, it's hard to keep it out of the elections.

It is a reluctant acceptance. From my position as an atheist, if they are praying on a decision and get what they perceive to be guidance via their praying, then that guidance came from themselves anyhow, despite them wanting to give credit elsewhere.

It would be nice to have religiosity be a non issue, but I must accept that I will never become president without telling a bunch of big fat lies and claiming I do believe in god. The whole "you must believe in god - and even more specifically MY GOD - as a prerequisite to get my vote" thing does suck.