Photo of Obama Posing with Radical Muslim was Kept out of 2008 Election

[Kobie]

For the record, Obama was willing to back and basically worked to help groom his own heir to the presidency. Who was possibly the most corrupt politician we will ever see in our lifetime. Aside from his other transgressions, this is one of his greatest and he knows it.

So your double standard is not appreciated.

In what ways did Obama “groom” Hillary? Give us the specifics.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Fake news...

Why do you insist on replying to me when I want nothing to do with you?

I find myself saying that to myself with a few here, Taac being one of them.

 

[jamesrage]

For not being a radical himself, Obama sure did like to pal around with them.

Among Louis Farrakhan's more interesting quotes:

"Osama Bin Laden didn’t destroy the Twin Towers. that was a false flag operation."

"The Jews, a small handful, control the movement of this great nation, like a radar controls the movement of a great ship in the waters … the Jews got a stranglehold on the Congress."

"White people deserve to die, and they know, so they think it’s us coming to do it.”

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/louis-farrakhan

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...78a98956699_story.html?utm_term=.36ab6937fd2e

I think the bigger question should be "why were our elected officials having a meeting with a notorious antisemitic racist who praises Hitler?". If republicans hosted event and had a KuKluxKlan or some other well known notorious white racists at their event then media would have been all over that like a fat chick on some Twinkies.

 

[Paperview]

Interesting. So if you'd known about the association with Farrakhan back in 2008, would you have wanted Obama to publicly denounce Farrakhan?

He didn't have "an association" -- and Obama did denounce Farrakhan on numerous occasions.

Or did you forget?

 

[SMTA]

Louis Farrakhan is the black separatist equivalent of Richard Spencer. Would you actually say that seeing Obama pal around with Farrakhan wouldn't have made you concerned about voting for him in '08?

That picture is much less of a problem than Trump kissing the asses of the alt-right white supremacist crowd

 

[Acadia]

That picture is much less of a problem than Trump kissing the asses of the alt-right white supremacist crowd

The ones he condemned in no uncertain terms? The ones Trump called out by name? I don't know what you want Trump to say in order for his haters to believe he's not a racist.

I don't really think a photo of Obama posing with that racist hate monger tells me anything. What is telling, however, is that it was kept hidden.

 

[Puigb]

Do you believe that Al Sharpton is a racist?

I believe he's a race baiter (like Trump), who has used race to further his career, the same way Trump has. They are similar in many aspects, though Trump actually became president because of race, while Sharpton is nothing more than a loud mouth talking head. However, what I think is irrelevant. Conservatives have spent years claiming Sharpton is one of the most racist people around...and yet there is their leader posing in a picture with Sharpton, appearing like they are good friends. So, what does that prove?

 

[Puigb]

A non-story as much as David Duke tweeting that he likes Trump, even though Trump has never taken a picture with him, talked to him, and has specifically denounced him but it was constantly a story, non-story?

Meh, the new black panthers nor Louis Farrakhan weren't going around marching in the streets yelling "heil Obama!", the way Duke and his white power buddies were doing when it came to Trump. Also, there's the fact that the new GOP political messiah pretended like he didn't even know who Duke was, even though back in 2000 he had dropped out of the reform party due to Duke's presence. So, there is in fact a difference.

 

[Fishking]

Meh, the new black panthers nor Louis Farrakhan weren't going around marching in the streets yelling "heil Obama!", the way Duke and his white power buddies were doing when it came to Trump. Also, there's the fact that the new GOP political messiah pretended like he didn't even know who Duke was, even though back in 2000 he had dropped out of the reform party due to Duke's presence. So, there is in fact a difference.

Ah...so the difference is that Obama actually was fine with sharing a photo-op with Farrakhan while other other people had no relation to Trump. Glad you could highlight that distinction.

 

[Puigb]

The ones he condemned in no uncertain terms? The ones Trump called out by name? I don't know what you want Trump to say in order for his haters to believe he's not a racist.

I don't really think a photo of Obama posing with that racist hate monger tells me anything. What is telling, however, is that it was kept hidden.

it was likely kept hidden because the right (who had been accusing Obama of hating white people even before he won the presidency) would have used it to scare white voters into voting for McCain. Obama would have won any way, simply because no Republican was going to win the presidency in 2008, but I understand why it was kept hidden, even if the picture doesn't prove a thing.

As for Trump, I think the question is, why do white nationalists and Nazi's hold him in such high regard? Farrakhan (who is a racist) was happy that after 43 white presidents a half black president was finally being elected. But why do Duke and his crew love Trump so much? I don't remember them out there going crazy over Bush, McCain, or Romney, so what makes Trump different compared to them? There have been 43 other white presidents, and yet Duke seems to love the current one so much. Could it be because Trump panders to them? They like his rhetoric? Why did Trump pretend not to know who Duke was, even though we know that is a lie?

 

[Puigb]

Ah...so the difference is that Obama actually was fine with sharing a photo-op with Farrakhan while other other people had no relation to Trump. Glad you could highlight that distinction.

apparently you have reading comprehension problems, but speaking of pictures...

 

[SMTA]

The ones he condemned in no uncertain terms? The ones Trump called out by name? I don't know what you want Trump to say in order for his haters to believe he's not a racist.

I don't really think a photo of Obama posing with that racist hate monger tells me anything. What is telling, however, is that it was kept hidden.

Trump cuddles up with the alt-right psychos just as close as he does with hookers and porn stars.

 

[Acadia]

it was likely kept hidden because the right (who had been accusing Obama of hating white people even before he won the presidency) would have used it to scare white voters into voting for McCain. Obama would have won any way, simply because no Republican was going to win the presidency in 2008, but I understand why it was kept hidden, even if the picture doesn't prove a thing.

As for Trump, I think the question is, why do white nationalists and Nazi's hold him in such high regard? Farrakhan (who is a racist) was happy that after 43 white presidents a half black president was finally being elected. But why do Duke and his crew love Trump so much? I don't remember them out there going crazy over Bush, McCain, or Romney, so what makes Trump different compared to them? There have been 43 other white presidents, and yet Duke seems to love the current one so much. Could it be because Trump panders to them? They like his rhetoric? Why did Trump pretend not to know who Duke was, even though we know that is a lie?

I think Duke and the KKK Nazis/ alt-right were vocal about aligning with Trump because it was their expectation that Trump would permeate his Presidency with racism and bigotry. In the meantime, blacks and Hispanics are seeing lower unemployment (all time low for Hispanics).
He's not performing as they wanted him to and I really don't think they'll be fans of giving 1.8 million DACA "dreamers" a path to citizenship.

He never asked for their support.
Free speech allows them to tell anyone who will listen that Trump's their guy.
It doesn't mean I have to take them seriously.

 

[Acadia]

Trump cuddles up with the alt-right psychos just as close as he does with hookers and porn stars.

Can you provide examples where Trump has embraced any of these hate groups?

 

[Puigb]

I think Duke and the KKK Nazis/ alt-right were vocal about aligning with Trump because it was their expectation that Trump would permeate his Presidency with racism and bigotry. In the meantime, blacks and Hispanics are seeing lower unemployment (all time low for Hispanics).
He's not performing as they wanted him to and I really don't think they'll be fans of giving 1.8 million DACA "dreamers" a path to citizenship.

He never asked for their support.
Free speech allows them to tell anyone who will listen that Trump's their guy.
It doesn't mean I have to take them seriously.

I never said he asked for their support, but i believe he is willing to take their support, because he needs whatever support he can get.

Question is, why did Duke and his crew expect Trump to permeate his presidency with racism and bigotry? Was it because of his rhetoric?

 

[Acadia]

I never said he asked for their support, but i believe he is willing to take their support, because he needs whatever support he can get.

Question is, why did Duke and his crew expect Trump to permeate his presidency with racism and bigotry? Was it because of his rhetoric?

It doesn't follow that if Trump wanted their support, that he'd condemn them repeatedly. Further, I have to ask myself, "Who benefits from the likes of the "alt-right"?

Hint: It's not Trump.

 

[Puigb]

It doesn't follow that if Trump wanted their support, that he'd condemn them repeatedly. Further, I have to ask myself, "Who benefits from the likes of the "alt-right"?

Hint: It's not Trump.

he was forced to condemn them, after pretending he didn't know who Duke was.

 

[Acadia]

he was forced to condemn them, after pretending he didn't know who Duke was.

LOL, nobody forces Trump to do anything:lamo

 

[Puigb]

LOL, nobody forces Trump to do anything:lamo

you'd be surprised

 

[Acadia]

you'd be surprised

Yes, I certainly would be. Totally agree with you there!

 

[Puigb]

Yes, I certainly would be. Totally agree with you there!

Nothing to be surprised about. Trump pretended to not know who Duke was (which was a lie), and when pressured about it numerous times, he had no choice but to condemn him. This doesn't mean Trump agrees with his views (Trump clearly doesn't give a crap about white nationalism), but I have zero doubts he is willing to pander to them for support and votes. And he did. Trump would pander to ANYONE, including even black separatists like Farrakhan, if he thought it would garner him votes. He is not alone in this, as many other politicians would do the same.

 

[Acadia]

Nothing to be surprised about. Trump pretended to not know who Duke was (which was a lie), and when pressured about it numerous times, he had no choice but to condemn him. This doesn't mean Trump agrees with his views (Trump clearly doesn't give a crap about white nationalism), but I have zero doubts he is willing to pander to them for support and votes. And he did. Trump would pander to ANYONE, including even black separatists like Farrakhan, if he thought it would garner him votes. He is not alone in this, as many other politicians would do the same.

You're right, pandering is endemic to politicos, but Trump isn't a lifer politician. Further, there's this idea that there are large numbers of fringe "alt-right" and that's simply not true. Their numbers are very small and who Trump actually did pander to-related to, focused on and spoke to-are middle Americans who felt forgotten, unappreciated and marginalized for the 8 Obama years.
So, this notion that Trump would pander to such a tiny fraction of Americans is a canard.


But, it plays well with liberals.

Again, who benefits?

It's not Trump.

 

[SMTA]

Can you provide examples where Trump has embraced any of these hate groups?

Judicial notice.

 

[Captain America]

I think Trump would pander to any crowd that will give him praise and applause.

Say anything. Do anything.

Richie Rich. The poor little rich boy.

 

[Puigb]

You're right, pandering is endemic to politicos, but Trump isn't a lifer politician. Further, there's this idea that there are large numbers of fringe "alt-right" and that's simply not true. Their numbers are very small and who Trump actually did pander to-related to, focused on and spoke to-are middle Americans who felt forgotten, unappreciated and marginalized for the 8 Obama years.
So, this notion that Trump would pander to such a tiny fraction of Americans is a canard.


But, it plays well with liberals.

Again, who benefits?

It's not Trump.

couple of things:

1. the alt-right (which is the far right) isn't as small as you think, and they became vocal during the Obama presidency, and even more when Trump became a candidate. Trump had been pandering to the far right for years, starting with the birther issue. Trump himself is no conservative, or Republican, and never has been. He only ran as a Republican because he (likely) thought he had an easier chance to win the presidency as a Republican...and he was right. Trump had been talking about running for president for years, but NOBODY ever took him seriously until very recently.

2. Trump received roughly the same support that Bush received in 2004, and Romney in 2012, when you take into account how many people voted. Trump didn't garner this giant wave of support that previous GOP candidates didn't receive. Most of his support came from Republican voters who would have voted for ANY Republican candidate. Compare that to Obama in 2008, who received almost 70 million votes (the current popular vote record). It could be argued that Obama had a wave of support that previous candidates didn't received, Trump? Not so much.

3. Trump barely won against a historically disliked Democratic candidate. He has no mandate, nor a large amount of support. Even in right leaning polls that he cites so much (Rasmussen) he can't even surpass a 45% approval.

4. Trump's core base is roughly around 35% (which is why he usually never dips lower than 35% in any poll), and the far right/alt-right is part of that. He knows he can't lose them no matter what.