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[Gill]

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Tell us where you got these silly accusations.

Tell us where you came up with this silly comment.

 

[MrShangles]

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i agree i think it is a bad idea, however both alt-right and antifa should be recognized for what they are.
that is extremist groups that cause personal and business damage when they show up places.

too me there is little difference between the group except ideology. they both use violence and extreme rhetoric in what they do.
people today should be attempting to shut both of these groups down. right now the war between them is just escalating and frankly
it is only going to get worse.

I don't remember the right burning down businesses, blocking roads, and assaulting folks. Do you have some examples?


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[Gill]

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Antifa are facing down the terrorists and being vilified by terror-supporting Trumpworld.

You mean "terrorists" like the Republican Party in California? The Rose Parade in Oregon had to cancel the parade due to Antifa threats of violence.

If they are just fun-loving folks trying to stamp out racism, then why do they feel the need to wear masks???

 

[Cardinal]

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You tell me how deciding one group is something means they officially decided a completely different group is something else.

What does one decision have to do with the other?

Ah, I misinterpreted the news article announcing the exclusive focus on Islamic extremist terrorism to mean that they had removed white supremacist groups from the terror watch list. In fact, Trump took one program, "Countering Violent Extremism," revamped it and renamed it "Countering Islamic Extremism," thereby removing focus from white supremacist groups. But the correction is noted: aside from that one program, domestic terrorism, white supremacist groups included, were not removed from the government watch list.

That said, while foreign domestic organizations on the government watch list are easy to find, I cannot for the life of me find the list of domestic organizations.

 

[ludin]

Re: Petition urging terror label for Antifa gets enough signatures for White House re

Tell us where you got these silly accusations.

not silly at all. ANTIFA has been filmed attacking innocent bystanders, smashing windows, and destroying businesses.
so again please tell us how that is facing down terrorists?

stop deflecting and start backing your statements up with something. if you can't that is fine because we basically know the truth.
no accusations at all. they are all caught on film and cameras. the fact that you ignore it shows how dishonest you are.

 

[Manc Skipper]

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not silly at all. ANTIFA has been filmed attacking innocent bystanders, smashing windows, and destroying businesses.
so again please tell us how that is facing down terrorists?

stop deflecting and start backing your statements up with something. if you can't that is fine because we basically know the truth.
no accusations at all. they are all caught on film and cameras. the fact that you ignore it shows how dishonest you are.

The far right is infamous for doctoring films to show people doing and saying things they never did.

 

[Mason66]

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Asked the OP and no reply- So are you in favor on antifa listed as a terror group?

If you are going to reply it should be with an answer to the question asked and not another question that has nothing to do with the first asked question.

 

[Mason66]

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not silly at all. ANTIFA has been filmed attacking innocent bystanders, smashing windows, and destroying businesses.
so again please tell us how that is facing down terrorists?

stop deflecting and start backing your statements up with something. if you can't that is fine because we basically know the truth.
no accusations at all. they are all caught on film and cameras. the fact that you ignore it shows how dishonest you are.

I am waiting for somebody to answer you that those that were filmed were not part of the organization.

 

[JANFU]

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If you are going to reply it should be with an answer to the question asked and not another question that has nothing to do with the first asked question.

OK- Should antifa be classed as a terror organization?

 

[yankintx]

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Yep.. Trump with the help of the Conservative news media has actually got a LARGE portion of the Republican base to believe Antifa is worse than the Nazis and KKK.

It is absolutely unbelievable how gullible many Americans are nowadays.

Unfortunately the uneducated do get to vote. What do you think has kept the GOP alive and kicking?

 

[HenryChinaski]

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What have the militias done to earn that name?

Existing is not enough.

Taken from the FBI's website

What They Believe: A militia is a group of citizens who come together to protect the country, usually during an emergency. Some militia extremists, however, seek to violently attack or overthrow the U.S. government. Often calling themselves “patriots,” they believe the government has become corrupt, has overstepped its constitutional limits, or has not been able to protect the country against global dangers.

Who or What They Target: Violent militia extremists mainly target those they believe could violate their constitutional rights, such as police officers and judges. In one 2010 case, a Michigan militia group planned to kill a police officer and later attack the parade of cars in the funeral, hoping to start a large battle. The FBI and its partners stopped them from carrying out their plan.

 

[Angelus]

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Not at all.
again you have the moral equivalence issue again.

I recognize antifa and alt-right for what they are. You can't be honest. that is not my issue that is your issue.
No antifa is a movement that doesn't fight fascism. they are a group of communists and anarchists.

They loot, destroy private property, and assault people that do not agree with what they think or say. what they are supposedly
fighting is exactly what they are doing. they are leftist fascists.

they are scum and no better than the alt-right. you just can't be honest about it because you agree with them politically.

i can recognize scum you can't. your partisan bias gets in the way.

Please post some links to this group committing terrorist acts. Because right now I think they might be a part of that Bowling Green Massacre.

 

[Angelus]

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Why do people keep comparing what a certain group did 50 or 70 years ago to what another group is doing today?

Because the group today adores mass murdering nazi and KKK scum? Because at their most reason rally one nazi committed murder? Because I have yet to read about any antifa fatalities.

 

[eohrnberger]

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Petition urging terror label for Antifa gets enough signatures for White House response | Fox News

It states: “Terrorism is defined as ‘the use of violence and intimidation in pursuit of political aims’. This definition is the same definition used to declare ISIS and other groups, as terrorist organizations. AntiFa has earned this title due to its violent actions in multiple cities and their influence in the killings of multiple police officers throughout the United States. It is time for the pentagon to be consistent in its actions – and just as they rightfully declared ISIS a terror group, they must declare AntiFa a terror group – on the grounds of principle, integrity, morality, and safety.”

That was pretty quick. 160k names so far to declare antifa a terrorist organization.

Well, if the shoe fits. Seems that many believe that it does.

Seemingly every time AntiFa get's air time, the video is showing them being violent as a mob. Their political aims are clear in their statements as is their violence in their news coverage. Yeah, would seem to fit.

What's more troubling is that the political left, not having gotten their way in the most recent presidential election, appears to have now resorted to this, for one, and the leftist 'news' (tabloid political propaganda) media, the leftist in academia, and the Democrat politicians, all seem to excuse AntiFa's violence. Very much troubling that, because at the same time the political right, both now and for the longest time, has sought to distance themselves from the alt-right, aka white supremacists, aka Neo-Nazis.

The political left, by condoning AntiFa's violence, are doing themselves damage, even if they don't realize it yet, as how much of the electorate supports violence in the name of political aims?

 

[The Mark]

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Does nobody else think that it's absurd that given the events of the last few weeks, of Nazi's marching through America, we're somehow discussing how bad AntiFa is? What have AntiFa done of note recently? Did they run some people over? Blow up buildings? Can someone remind me?

They were in Charlottesville, and some/all of them were prepared to do violence.
I don't know any details about if/when/where/why they did, anymore than I do about the various bigot/hate groups that were there.

But that is enough for some, especially when they can and have spun events in their echo chambers so that Antifa is equivalent or even worse than the fascists, except for that one guy in a car that can be spun as an unrelated event, possibly.

 

[Winston]

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Unlike, I believe, many Americans I have been aware of Antifa for several years due to their violent behavior towards others, destruction of property, and hate filled message. I admit I was a little shocked and dismayed with the amount of support they seem to have both on this forum and nationally due to recent events evolving the KKK.

What I also see is a lot of hypocritical behavior and beliefs and a complete lack of objectivity mostly coming from the left when it comes to Antifa. In their hatred and anger toward the KKK (rightfully earned) they seem to be completely blind to what Antifa is and stands for. That or these people are more extreme/fringe than they care to admit.

Here is an example, When Trump condoned the KKK's actions the left and media made a huge point that Trump's language was not hash enough and as a result they suggested that he must support the KKK and White supremacist groups. Trump to my knowledge is not and has never been part of the KKK yet when Antifa's violent actions are pointed out the left claim that all groups will have some rouge violent elements. To my knowledge Antifa has never made public statement condoning their members violence. So on one hand not condoning harshly enough = support while on the other no condonement = meh rouge elements.

And what of Trump calling for violence against protestors at his own rallies? The right says that they support everyone's First Amendment Rights, even Nazi's. Did they still support everyone's First Amendment Rights when Trump told his supporters to beat up protestors and he would pay the legal bill?

Antifa should cut the property damage out. BLM should stop the "Kill pigs" chants. Any time people's lives are in danger, you are moving out of the realm of Democratic values, etc. and into the realm of savagery. But, the right has a noticeably small soapbox to stand on to bemoan about violence against free speech, if they support a president that called for free speech to be met with violence.

 

[Angelus]

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Conservatives keep panicking over fake Antifa parodies created by right-wingers

As conservatives seek to expose violent leftists in the wake of far-right violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, they keep on getting suckered by fake social media accounts created by their fellow right-wingers. For instance, take the Independent Journal Review article titled, “Alleged Boston Antifa Thanks Hillary Clinton, Democrats for Their Support as They Burn American Flag.” IJR editor Benny Johnson — who has been suspended at two different jobs for plagiarizing from sites including Yahoo Answers — fell for one of these accounts, @AntifaBoston. Johnson did not make any sort of attempt to verify the account’s legitimacy before publishing his piece, preferring to take the account at its word as “the official page for the Antifa organization in the Boston area.”

Fox News host Jesse Watters also was suckered. “Someone posing as a Boston antifa member (which again, doesn’t seem to exist in any publicly organized way) appeared on Fox News’ Watters’ World, baiting the host into asking immensely dumb questions like ‘What about when an antifa member stabbed a police horse in the neck with a knife. Was the horse a racist Trump supporter?’” Gizmodo reports. “The troll alluded to right-wingers posing as antifa during the interview, and Watters was none the wiser.”

Now I understand the right wing hysteria!

 

[poweRob]

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Does nobody else think that it's absurd that given the events of the last few weeks, of Nazi's marching through America, we're somehow discussing how bad AntiFa is? What have AntiFa done of note recently? Did they run some people over? Blow up buildings? Can someone remind me?

I said it in another thread... the right is saturating all discussion with talk of antifa just so they don't have to talk about the klan and white supremacy. It is a preemptive dodge.

 

[ludin]

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How do I have the moral equivalence issue when it is you that is calling them the same thing and I am calling them different things :screwy

you are trying to excuse their violent behavior because you agree with them politically.
you have yet to justify how destroying private property is combating fascism let me know.

you have yet to show how attacking innocent people and assaulting them is combating fascism, but since
you agree with them politically it is ok. sure thing.

have fun with that.

 

[ludin]

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The far right is infamous for doctoring films to show people doing and saying things they never did.

really ABC is now doctoring films interesting where is your proof of this?
So please again explain to us how busting out windows of businesses is battling facism as you claim?

i know you are back peddling like crazy now but you could be honest for once.

 

[ludin]

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Asked the OP and no reply- So are you in favor on antifa listed as a terror group?

i would define them as a hate group. i have other things that i am working on as well.

 

[ludin]

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I am waiting for somebody to answer you that those that were filmed were not part of the organization.

you won't get one.

 

[ludin]

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Please post some links to this group committing terrorist acts. Because right now I think they might be a part of that Bowling Green Massacre.

i have already posted links of their violent behavior.

 

[SheWolf]

Re: Petition urging terror label for Antifa gets enough signatures for White House re

Petition urging terror label for Antifa gets enough signatures for White House response | Fox News

It states: “Terrorism is defined as ‘the use of violence and intimidation in pursuit of political aims’. This definition is the same definition used to declare ISIS and other groups, as terrorist organizations. AntiFa has earned this title due to its violent actions in multiple cities and their influence in the killings of multiple police officers throughout the United States. It is time for the pentagon to be consistent in its actions – and just as they rightfully declared ISIS a terror group, they must declare AntiFa a terror group – on the grounds of principle, integrity, morality, and safety.”

That was pretty quick. 160k names so far to declare antifa a terrorist organization.

What are they doing that's violent other than slugging it out on the streets with neo nazis? I don't see how getting into street fights exactly makes a person a terrorist.

 

[ludin]

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What are they doing that's violent other than slugging it out on the streets with neo nazis? I don't see how getting into street fights exactly makes a person a terrorist.

They are more of a hate group at this point.

So please tell me how smashing business windows and destroying private property is slugging it out with neo nazi's.

no one else has been able to answer this question i doubt you will either.