People Would Make Guns

[DebateChallenge]

Nah, it just hurts so bad when someone can't quite grok sarcasm or any deeper point it might be masking.

But don't worry, I'm used to it around here.

Because sarcasm isn't supposed to be done in writing.

 

[Hafnium1979]

Because sarcasm isn't supposed to be done in writing.

Don’t read much? Too bad. Literacy and a good reading habit goes a long way

 

[Hafnium1979]

Quoting specs on guns has nothing to do with manhood.

You sure ‘bout that?

 

[Waddy]

That seems very contradictory. Are 'good guys' with guns going to shoot guns out of the hands of "criminals"? Is that the gun proliferation plan?

yes, that happens, more than you might think. And that's partly why law abiding citizens have a right to be armed. Every person has the right to defend him/herself, and is foolish if they think the police are going to do that. I think we've all recently seen how ineffective law enforcement is at protecting individuals. If you choose not to own a gun, that's your choice. But don't tell others how to live their lives. or how to protect their lives.

 

[Waddy]

Ooooh, super clever! Yikes! Ouch.

I am hoisted on my own pitard!

And here you are invoking another phallic symbol. Is it an obsession or just a hobby?

 

[uptower]

In such a case, the equipment and parts will be manufactured illegally in the USA and you can't shut down online distribution channels.

Then guns aren’t really banned are they in this scenario. I doubt there’s going to be a blanket ban anyway, but if there was then they’re not going to leave open internet shopping and courier delivery, or make parts readily available. That’s a series of restrictions with exceptions, not a ban.

And while it’s been a mildly amusing what if scenario, let’s look at what it would really take to implement a total ban on guns.

First the authorities would have to curtail voting
The control the election counts
Then work toward outlawing opposition and solidifying it’s power as a one party state
Then start implementing heavily enforced laws like gun bans
Then confiscating guns that are already out there
Then rounding up dissenters using deadly force when necessary

Well guess who’s started on the first two?

A ps it is now, a simple act of Congress might have a temporary ban on new sales of certain types with exceptions, amnesties, allowing those who already have them to keep them, allow people to make them with parts kits, stuff like the AWB. That doesn’t require a what if like the OP, it’s already happened or it’s already the case in some states.

But the idea that if some kind of dystopian govt implements a total ban? In that case they wouldn’t simply allow folks to buy the means online to make their own guns. If they enforced it, not only the finished product would be banned but parts, ammo, tools and materials and any cottage gunsmithing ‘industry’ would be driven deep underground.

 

[Hafnium1979]

And here you are invoking another phallic symbol. Is it an obsession or just a hobby?

It's a common turn of phrase among literate people.

But I can see why you'd wander off in that direction.

 

[uptower]

Illegal imports it is, or alternatively home made illegal weapons.

The most regulated substance we have is drugs. Banning has worked so well regarding drugs,

And that’s what I was getting at - it would be purely black market and pretty expensive.

But the product isn’t like drugs. It’s not one a penniless desperate addict will suck a dude off for to pay for his next hit. It will expensive - much more than it is now; production will be low and sparse because factories won’t be churning them out. The parts and tools wold be banned as well. The cops might ask why jimbob ordered this or that online, sites would be blocked anyway and the manufacturers would be shut down. The quality will be mixed depending on the gunsmith. Those who want them will have to save up to get them - addicts don’t save for months to get a hit - and then know how to look after them because getting another won’t be easy. There’s no way that there’d be as many guns in circulation anymore.

Want illegal imports? Well the smugglers from Africa and Asia would have to open new markets, send stuff on containers.Customs will be seizing shipments of rusty old AKs from foreign battlefields at the ports; maybe cartels would be selling the guns they imported from America back.

 

[Waddy]

It's a common turn of phrase among literate people.

But I can see why you'd wander off in that direction.

I ain't the one obsessing about penis size. That's a direction you seem to favor.

 

[Hafnium1979]

I ain't the one obsessing about penis size. That's a direction you seem to favor.

To be fair to me "Hoisted on my own pitard" isn't related to penis size. That was YOUR addition. But, again, if that's your thing that's very cool!

 

[jamesrage]

the left does not want all guns banned

Of course thats what they say, they don't want to lose all their voters. While they are lyng about not wanting to ban all guns they falsely compare us to countries that did ban civilians from owning guns and piss bitch and moan how those countries have better gun control laws than we do.

 

[Hafnium1979]

Of course thats what they say, they don't want to lose all their voters. While they are lyng about not wanting to ban all guns

Does that scare you?

they falsely compare us to countries that did ban civilians from owning guns

What countries are those specifically?

 

[jamesrage]

I might add that the bannerhoids are a minority even in the Democratic Party however knowing your history, I'm sure you'll continue believing that all Dems want all guns banned.

I find that incredibly hard to believe. Democrat politicians campaign on banning semiautomatic firearms under the guise of banning assault weapons. They campaign on banning 10 to 30 round standard capacity magazines under the guise of banning high capacity magazines. They lie how these are weapons of war and use terms to imply that they are the same exact thing the military uses. Then they whine how countries like the UK, Australia and other countries that severely restricted or banned firearms have better firearm laws than we do. And yet they get elected office supposedly by people who mostly don't think like they do when it comes to guns. Either those voters are really ****en stupid, 2nd amendment rights is on the bottom of their list of things they care about or they really do support what those democrat politcians campaign on. I am sure somewhere in the south in a rural area there might be democrat politicians who are genuinely pro-2nd amendment.But those people might be like trying to Waldo in a Wheres Waldo picture.

 

[Hafnium1979]

I find that incredibly hard to believe. Democrat politicians campaign on banning semiautomatic firearms under the guise of banning assault weapons. They campaign on banning 10 to 30 round standard capacity magazines under the guise of banning high capacity magazines. They lie how these are weapons of war and use terms to imply that they are the same exact thing the military uses. Then they whine how countries like the UK, Australia and other countries that severely restricted or banned firearms have better firearm laws than we do. And yet they get elected office supposedly by people who mostly don't think like they do when it comes to guns. Either those voters are really ****en stupid, 2nd amendment rights is on the bottom of their list of things they care about or they really do support what those democrat politcians campaign on. I am sure somewhere in the south in a rural area there might be democrat politicians who are genuinely pro-2nd amendment.But those people might be like trying to Waldo in a Wheres Waldo picture.

Pretty much everyone on the Left realizes the realpolitik of 21st Century USA and they realize that guns will NEVER be banned in this country. It is an irrational fear of the gun fetishists but it is still just a fear.

Some of us are simply tired of every.single.proposed.fix.to.anything getting shut down by gun fetishists who act like God Himself wrote the Second Amendment.

Guns aren't going to get banned in America. They probably should but they won't. Politicians are not morons and very few of them are true ideologues. They ALL realize that guns are quite popular in America.

So give your pearls a rest and stop clutching them so hard. You won't be losing your guns anytime soon.

Again, we probably SHOULD ban them but maybe, just maybe, we'll install some pretty hard core regulations on them. We need SOMETHING to alter our relationship with the gun. But if Sid Vicious can't quit heroin cold turkey....

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I find that incredibly hard to believe.

Then don't believe it and carry on as you were, labeling all Dems as gun grabbers.

 

[jamesrage]

Then don't believe it and carry on as you were, labeling all Dems as gun grabbers.

IF they aren't gun grabbers then why do they vote for gun grabbers?

 

[Rucker61]

And I said "not gonna happen". It takes 16 states to stop the amendment. I can easily name those 16 states and more.

Any restriction infringes on the RTKB. That's why it's called a restriction. The fact that those words do not appear in the Constitution supports that. If the founders wanted that limitation, they would have said so.

In VA, in order to conceal carry, I must spend a day in classroom or on online. Get fingerprinted, photographed. Spend a few hundred dollars in fees. And do it all over again in five years. And compared to some other states, Virginia is not especially difficult. Tell me how that's not an infringement.

The right to life is not found in the Constitution. That would be the Declaration of Independence. An obsolete document.

13 states.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

IF they aren't gun grabbers then why do they vote for gun grabbers?

Not all them do, is this that difficult for you to comprehend?
I am not a single issue voter and neither are most people.
I guess you have trouble with that concept.
So go practice your "rage"...James.

 

[jamesrage]

Not all them do, is this that difficult for you to comprehend?

So basically they could care less how whittled down their 2nd amendment rights become because other issues have a higher priority when they vote for a gun grabbing politician?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

So basically they could care less how whittled down their 2nd amendment rights become because other issues have a higher priority when they vote for a gun grabbing politician?

If you say so!
See how that works?
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!

I live in Los Angeles, I still own guns, no one is coming for them either.

 

[TurtleDude]

the left does not want all guns banned

you are 100% correct-the left wants those tasked with confiscating guns from honest people and guarding the lives of the politicians who pass gun bans, to be armed.

 

[TurtleDude]

you stand corrected

most gun banners do not admit to being in favor of banning all privately owned guns for two reasons 1) they don't want to alarm the public what their real goals are and 2) many of them want people LIKE THEM and government agents to be armed.

 

[TurtleDude]

So you're the exception. I've met strong liberals who are for gun rights, but they're not the general rule.

not all lefties, socialists, progressives, communists, anarcho-syndicalists, Maoists, Trotskyites, Fabians, Shining Path members, etc are for gun bans but almost every gun banner is a lefty.

 

[tshade]

Feel free to give us a good reason that people should go to jail for several years for having adjustable shoulder stocks on their rifles.

As for your "logic," I strongly suggest you learn what that word means before you use it again.

at this time there IS no reason----it ain't a law yet.

 

[tshade]

Of course thats what they say, they don't want to lose all their voters. While they are lyng about not wanting to ban all guns they falsely compare us to countries that did ban civilians from owning guns and piss bitch and moan how those countries have better gun control laws than we do.

All freedoms have limits. The Dems just want common sense regs