People Who Talk Are Bad, People Who Shoot Misunderstood[W:499]

[CaptainCourtesy]

I say you did, and continue to apologize like lightning might strike you if you don't. Don't be afraid of the truth it should be your friend.

You can say what you want, be we already know that your silence on an assortment of matters proves that you know you are a liar on many things in this debate. We can just add this one to the list.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

You do not know who supports Islam and how they support it. That is a fact that cannot be avoided. Muslims can, and many do, lie to conceal what they truly believe. This is sanctioned by doctrine. One example is the foiled Time Square bomber. When asked about the oath he took to become a citizen to be loyal and defend the US he told the judge, with a smile on his face, " I lied". We could also look at San Bernadino where the killers has supposedly assimilated.
War is deceit, ask Muhammad, the irrelevant one, or so you say.:lamo

More of your lying. You continue to lie about what I said about Muhammad and refuse to post the whole quote... because you are a coward in this debate. You STILL have shown no evidence that the VAST majority of Muslims support ISIS or behave in ways such as ISIS. Nothing above supports your position. You continue to fail.

Back to the ilk. The ilk sees something terribly wrong with Islam and it is proven daily all over the world. Hate is not necessary to call out haters. Islam preaches hate. Another fact you wish to ignore, whether Muslims listen or not, the hate is still there in the doctrine.

The hate of you and your ilk is not aimed at Islamic doctrine. It's aimed at Muslims in general. And you have been unable to demonstrate that the VAST majority of Muslims follow the doctrine. All you have done is consistently lie, and your silence in addressing the challenges to that confrontation confirms those lies.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

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Nothing is resolved. The silencing goes on throughout the Muslim and the Western world.

Your denial and dishonesty seem to be merging. You have demonstrated absolutely no silencing. You have shown challenging. You have shown ignoring of stupid comments. You have shown the non-admission of some people into some countries. But silencing? Complete failure.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

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The dead secular bloggers in Muslim majority countries are still speaking?

Are their words still out there? Is the anti-Islam hate spewed by Islamophobes still being printed, posted, and recorded on a daily basis? Your appeal to emotion doesn't work.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Re: People Who Talk Are Bad, People Who Shoot Misunderstood

Read the OP see if I am mentioned. Then tell me if I am the worst person in the world how would it change one thing about Islamic aggression and the facts about it?

Since you lie constantly about Islam, your comments above are irrelevant.

 

[stevecanuck]

The hate of you and your ilk is not aimed at Islamic doctrine. It's aimed at Muslims in general.

The great lie. And it's told over and over and over and over.

 

[stevecanuck]

Re: People Who Talk Are Bad, People Who Shoot Misunderstood

A republic.

Up until 2013 there hadn't been a single case in its history where power passed from one ruling body to another by democratic process.

Whether the current set-up will go beyond its tenure of 5 years remains to be seen.

Anyway the argument you responded to referred to oppressive legislation. With dictatorships serving merely as an example.

Yes, a republic voted into office by the people of Pakistan. The same government and people who seem quite content to watch this Christian woman die, which (as you pointed out in another thread) has never happened before in Pakistan. The 6 years she has already spent on death row, plus her imminent execution have ushered in a new era of oppression and terror for Pakistani Christians, and CC's peaceful "VAST" majority are doing absolutely nothing to stop it.

 

[stevecanuck]

Re: People Who Talk Are Bad, People Who Shoot Misunderstood

So you think that advocating Christians flying planes into buildings or mutiliating girls is somehow okay because jihadis do it? The only one spouting bull**** is people like you, who are so dead set on murdering our culture that you would turn us into the same thing you profess to hate.

CLAX1911 said, "How many buildings have cold joints flown jumbo Jets into? How many girls have they mutilated?", and you respond with, "So you think that advocating Christians flying planes into buildings or mutiliating girls is somehow okay because jihadis do it?"

You wouldn't know a linear argument if it sat down to dinner with you.

 

[stevecanuck]

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And yet, we don't see the VAST majority of Muslims in Pakistan doing anything that would count them as terrorists,.....

Enough Pakistanis voted in the current government which is trying to execute a women for defending her faith. VAST majority you say? Not terrorism you say? Give...your...head...a...shake.

 

[stevecanuck]

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....And what percentage of the population of Indonesia protested?

I see the game you're playing, and I'm going to blow you out of the water. You are clearly implying that simply counting protesters gives you the number of people who are either for or against whatever the protest is about. Let's use CNN's news story about the anti-Trump protests to show how disingenuous that argument is. From the CNN story: Thousands take to the streets to protest Trump win - CNNPolitics.com "As many as 5,000 people were at a protest in New York, police estimated." Let's play your silly game and divide that by the population of NYC (8,500,000) and conclude that 99.9994 percent of New Yorkers were happy with Trump's election given that they didn't join in on the protests.

Btw, you've made this argument enough times, so don't try shouting strawman.

 

[stevecanuck]

Re: People Who Talk Are Bad, People Who Shoot Misunderstood

Than let him post his argument.


I don't see what that has to do with me.

100% correct. Tigerace accused you of advocating something based on what another poster said, and he owes you an apology.

 

[stevecanuck]

...And you have been unable to demonstrate that the VAST majority of Muslims follow the doctrine...

Want another example? I didn't think so, but here it is anyway. In Saudi Arabia a person who leaves Islam is given 3 days to return. If he doesn't, he is executed. This is in accordance with Mohamed's 3 conditions that allow one Muslim to kill another. Is this more of your VAST majority living in peace and tolerance? Can I get a "Allahu akbar"???

 

[Chagos]

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Yes, a republic voted into office by the people of Pakistan. The same government and people who seem quite content to watch this Christian woman die, which (as you pointed out in another thread) has never happened before in Pakistan. The 6 years she has already spent on death row, plus her imminent execution have ushered in a new era of oppression and terror for Pakistani Christians, and CC's peaceful "VAST" majority are doing absolutely nothing to stop it.

Not surprising to see you support the line of dishonesty that runs thru this thread.

In this instance by sticking to the favourite habit of truncating a post you reply to, to then cherry pick what you deem worthy of address and give the impression of that being the only point raised.

Yet you provide no proof of the vast majority of Muslims being what you would like everyone else to believe it as being. Let alone providing proof of the vast majority of Pakistani Muslims constituting the very same that have applied the pressure of terror to anyone involved in the handling of the Aasiya Noreen case, be they of whatever stance in the matter.

As to your previous attempt to label Pakistan a democracy, that simply shows how little knowledge you have of the conditions that have raged in the country since its founding. Quite apart from the false label altogether, seeing that it doesn't even call itself that.

By western standards of application of democratic values, it couldn't be further from the democratic principles that we advocate, a perceived democratic form of passing of government power changing nothing in that. I say "perceived" since there hasn't been an election that either wasn't rigged or cashiered by coup altogether.

As such the point remains "Anyway the argument you responded to referred to oppressive legislation. With dictatorships serving merely as an example."

As such

 

[stevecanuck]

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Not surprising to see you support the line of dishonesty that runs thru this thread.

In this instance by sticking to the favourite habit of truncating a post you reply to, to then cherry pick what you deem worthy of address and give the impression of that being the only point raised.

Yet you provide no proof of the vast majority of Muslims being what you would like everyone else to believe it as being. Let alone providing proof of the vast majority of Pakistani Muslims constituting the very same that have applied the pressure of terror to anyone involved in the handling of the Aasiya Noreen case, be they of whatever stance in the matter.

As to your previous attempt to label Pakistan a democracy, that simply shows how little knowledge you have of the conditions that have raged in the country since its founding. Quite apart from the false label altogether, seeing that it doesn't even call itself that.

By western standards of application of democratic values, it couldn't be further from the democratic principles that we advocate, a perceived democratic form of passing of government power changing nothing in that. I say "perceived" since there hasn't been an election that either wasn't rigged or cashiered by coup altogether.

As such the point remains "Anyway the argument you responded to referred to oppressive legislation. With dictatorships serving merely as an example."

As such

Is the elected Islamic government of Pakistan trying to execute a Christian women for having an argument, or are they not? You can dance around this all you want, but it will always boil down to Muslims oppressing and terrifying the Christian minority.

 

[Chagos]

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I see the game you're playing, and I'm going to blow you out of the water...........

:lamo

Without further addressing your otherwise salient numbers, the irony here lies in that you don't appear to realize how this equation can be made to backfire on your claims. Either that (failure of realization) or possibly nurturing the hope that nobody will notice.

There are not even any figures available on either the numbers of those who protested FOR the sentencing of AHOK, or for those that protested AGAINST it. That's why you can present any percentages as little as you can reasonably support any claim that Indonesians were in their majority for sentencing.

 

[Chagos]

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Is the elected Islamic government of Pakistan trying to execute a Christian women for having an argument, or are they not? You can dance around this all you want, but it will always boil down to Muslims oppressing and terrifying the Christian minority.

Nice try, moving from the majority of Pakistanis to the government.

Another presentation of dishonesty, your goal posts being as unstable as CJ's.

Heck, for all I know the majority of Pakistanis could see her execution favourably. But the point is that I DON'T know and, more importantly, neither do you.

 

[Chagos]

Want another example? I didn't think so, but here it is anyway. In Saudi Arabia a person who leaves Islam is given 3 days to return. If he doesn't, he is executed. This is in accordance with Mohamed's 3 conditions that allow one Muslim to kill another. Is this more of your VAST majority living in peace and tolerance? Can I get a "Allahu akbar"???

In view of conduct seen in "Juarez" in its heydays, Mexicans are thus in their majority a bunch of mindless killers.

 

[Tigerace117]

Re: People Who Talk Are Bad, People Who Shoot Misunderstood

Read the OP see if I am mentioned. Then tell me if I am the worst person in the world how would it change one thing about Islamic aggression and the facts about it?

Oh, that's pretty obvious. Your support of terrorism against Muslims would cause you to try and portray them as a collective in the worst possible light in a desperate attempt to justify the crimes your heroes commit.

 

[Tigerace117]

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CLAX1911 said, "How many buildings have cold joints flown jumbo Jets into? How many girls have they mutilated?", and you respond with, "So you think that advocating Christians flying planes into buildings or mutiliating girls is somehow okay because jihadis do it?"

You wouldn't know a linear argument if it sat down to dinner with you.

So justifying Christians doing the same thing as jihadis--- who, by the way, are a tiny fraction of the total Muslim populace--- is a okay in Stevecanuck world. Noted.

And you people wonder why you don't have any political power.

 

[stevecanuck]

Re: People Who Talk Are Bad, People Who Shoot Misunderstood

:lamo

Without further addressing your otherwise salient numbers, the irony here lies in that you don't appear to realize how this equation can be made to backfire on your claims. Either that (failure of realization) or possibly nurturing the hope that nobody will notice.

There are not even any figures available on either the numbers of those who protested FOR the sentencing of AHOK, or for those that protested AGAINST it. That's why you can present any percentages as little as you can reasonably support any claim that Indonesians were in their majority for sentencing.

Errrmmmmmm, have a look at your own post #1163 in which you accuse me of doing what now? Truncating a post?? (You: In this instance by sticking to the favourite habit of truncating a post you reply to, to then cherry pick what you deem worthy of address and give the impression of that being the only point raised.)

Nobody could be that blatantly hypocritical unless on purpose. I know you think you're toying with me, so go ahead with the pretense. I'll respond if I'm in the mood to play. If not, I'll just ignore you.

 

[stevecanuck]

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So justifying Christians doing the same thing as jihadis--- who, by the way, are a tiny fraction of the total Muslim populace--- is a okay in Stevecanuck world. Noted.

And you people wonder why you don't have any political power.

CLAX did nothing of the sort. You lie. Again. Repost his exact words and show us where he did as you say.

 

[Tigerace117]

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CLAX did nothing of the sort. You lie. Again. Repost his exact words and show us where he did as you say.

Coldjoint has repeatedly gone on record as supporting such attacks. CLAX supported coldjoint's posts-- likely because he didn't know what Coldjoint actually supported, as CLAX later admitted that Christian terrorism is just as bad--- so I pointed out the facts of life to him.

You reek of desperation. As usual.

 

[Chagos]

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Errrmmmmmm, have a look at your own post #1163 in which you accuse me of doing what now? Truncating a post?? (You: In this instance by sticking to the favourite habit of truncating a post you reply to, to then cherry pick what you deem worthy of address and give the impression of that being the only point raised.)

Nobody could be that blatantly hypocritical unless on purpose. I know you think you're toying with me, so go ahead with the pretense. I'll respond if I'm in the mood to play. If not, I'll just ignore you.

Oh boy, how lame can one get?

Truncating so as not to address what one snips and snipping for the sake of brevity being two different things altogether should be known even to you. Especially in view of my having addressed what I snipped as not only salient in numbers cited (perhaps I should have extended that to the conclusion drawn by you as well) and, in that address, having pointed out how the whole spin fest can backfire.

Outlining the why in the process.

It's totally unnecessary to toy with you, even if one were interested in doing that. Simply because you paint yourself into corners often enough all by yourself.

This example additionally showing the issues you appear to have with projection when it comes to your own hypocrisy.

Seeing how you appear to favour the path of dishonesty that seems so characteristic of many of your leaning, I don't particularly care whether you respond or not.

 

[coldjoint]

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You just lied in the above post. Here's what I said and what you placed in bold: "You've lied about how Muslims practice Islam." You did not address that, of course, as you've been avoiding and lying about that fact throughout this entire debate. All you did is address what the literature says, which is not relevant to the comment I made. Now, let's watch you lie about what I just said.

Oh, and you didn't address any of the other lies of yours I pointed out because you can't. At least we know that you recognize that you have lied about those things. If you don't believe so, address them. if you don't, then from here on, I will comment on your silent admission of lying.

You are pulling words out of the air. I never told how Muslims practice I have told you how some practice Islam and that every other Muslim has an option, that is what I have said.

 

[coldjoint]

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Coldjoint has repeatedly gone on record as supporting such attacks. CLAX supported coldjoint's posts-- likely because he didn't know what Coldjoint actually supported, as CLAX later admitted that Christian terrorism is just as bad--- so I pointed out the facts of life to him.

You reek of desperation. As usual.

Gone on record? How many other attacks did I support? It is just one you talk about(made up).

There is no terrorism in Christian doctrine, nor is there support for any violence. There is terror in Islams doctrine and violence is a way of life. You need to start dealing with the facts.