People parking in handicapped spot

[Gaius46]

One does not need medical credentials in order to observe a person with two functioning legs park in a handicapped spot, and then proceed to enter a large retail store, a sports arena, or an amusement park, and the walk around for hours without needing a wheelchair. Sorry, but that is not handicapped.

Most handicapped laws are stupidly applied. In addition, why are handicapped not required to pay metered street parking like everyone else? Are handicapped also now automatically considered poor?

Any loser knows some doctor somewhere who is willing to hand out a handicapped certification letter to a friend or family... maybe even for money.

You cannot be serious.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I’m not saying that and I don’t think anyone here who is saying not all handicaps are visible are saying that.

Nope, you have just said that NO ONE is capable of determining is someone else is "handicapped" UNLESS they have a medical degree.

That would mean that YOU would NOT be capable of determining is someone who had no legs was "handicapped" if you saw them getting out a car that was parked in a handicapped zone UNLESS you possessed a medical degree.

 

[MaryP]

When did handicapped people become the boogeyman to you?

Tired of drag queens and Honduran migrants? Need to move on?

Maybe he got a ticket....or maybe parks in handicap spots all the time.

 

[Super Chief]

You cannot be serious.

I am serious. I observe fake handicapped people every single day.

My sister works as a medical coder for a medical office. She confirms that many doctors will issue handicapped credentials to friends and family. It is a sad fact that humans are often self entitled, so don't be upset at me for calling out fake handicapped people, or even people who may find a technical loop hole to get a handicapped placard who really don't need them. Because isn't the whole idea about handicapped access to actually have that for people who really need it?

I could "technically" qualify for a handicapped parking placard in my state under the current laws, but I would never do that because I DON'T NEED ONE even despite fitting the very low threshold for qualifying. So, when I see some able bodied person using a handicapped spot, it isn't that I am jealous of them, or feel I deserve something. I am angry because sometimes severely handicapped people cannot find a handicapped spot because otherwise capable people who have abused the laws are taking those spaces.

Americans can be so damned entitled and selfish. You can't go to any retail store where even beyond the handicapped spots there are now spaces for senior citizens, families with children, veterans, pregnant women. BULLSHIT! Unless those people are really handicapped, they don't need some special space. These m.... f.....ers!! You can walk, so f----ing WALK you lazy idiots!

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I am serious. I observe fake handicapped people every single day.

My sister works as a medical coder for a medical office. She confirms that many doctors will issue handicapped credentials to friends and family. It is a sad fact that humans are often self entitled, so don't be upset at me for calling out fake handicapped people, or even people who may find a technical loop hole to get a handicapped placard who really don't need them. Because isn't the whole idea about handicapped access to actually have that for people who really need it?

I could "technically" qualify for a handicapped parking placard in my state under the current laws, but I would never do that because I DON'T NEED ONE even despite fitting the very low threshold for qualifying. So, when I see some able bodied person using a handicapped spot, it isn't that I am jealous of them, or feel I deserve something. I am angry because sometimes severely handicapped people cannot find a handicapped spot because otherwise capable people who have abused the laws are taking those spaces.

Americans can be so damned entitled and selfish. You can't go to any retail store where even beyond the handicapped spots there are now spaces for senior citizens, families with children, veterans, pregnant women. BULLSHIT! Unless those people are really handicapped, they don't need some special space. These m.... f.....ers!! You can walk, so f----ing WALK you lazy idiots!

Spaces for "senior citizens, families with children, veterans, pregnant women" and the like are offered as inducements for customers to shop at the store and not because the people that those (privately owned and operated) parking spaces are "reserved" for **N*E*E*D** the spaces. They are, in effect, advertising.

 

[Gaius46]

I am serious. I observe fake handicapped people every single day.

My sister works as a medical coder for a medical office. She confirms that many doctors will issue handicapped credentials to friends and family. It is a sad fact that humans are often self entitled, so don't be upset at me for calling out fake handicapped people, or even people who may find a technical loop hole to get a handicapped placard who really don't need them. Because isn't the whole idea about handicapped access to actually have that for people who really need it?

I could "technically" qualify for a handicapped parking placard in my state under the current laws, but I would never do that because I DON'T NEED ONE even despite fitting the very low threshold for qualifying. So, when I see some able bodied person using a handicapped spot, it isn't that I am jealous of them, or feel I deserve something. I am angry because sometimes severely handicapped people cannot find a handicapped spot because otherwise capable people who have abused the laws are taking those spaces.

Americans can be so damned entitled and selfish. You can't go to any retail store where even beyond the handicapped spots there are now spaces for senior citizens, families with children, veterans, pregnant women. BULLSHIT! Unless those people are really handicapped, they don't need some special space. These m.... f.....ers!! You can walk, so f----ing WALK you lazy idiots!

How do you know that they are able bodied?

My father in law had laryngectomy because of throat cancer in the years before he died. He didn't use a cane, a walker, a wheelchair or any other such things. If you didn't talk to him and see that needed a mechanical device to speak you would not know that he was sick. But the man could not walk any kind of distance without becoming exhausted. He needed the disabled parking pass to be close enough to the store to be able to walk in under his own power and then lean on a shopping cart while he caught his breath.

Any why shouldn't we make life easier for pregnant women and seniors. I'm in my (early) 60s and will ALWAYS give me seat to a pregnant woman. Or a senior. I cringe when I see others who don't.

 

[Superfly]

Nope, you have just said that NO ONE is capable of determining is someone else is "handicapped" UNLESS they have a medical degree.

That would mean that YOU would NOT be capable of determining is someone who had no legs was "handicapped" if you saw them getting out a car that was parked in a handicapped zone UNLESS you possessed a medical degree.

You know damn well what I’m talking about. I am talking about non-visible handicaps.

You know this. Weird.

 

[dairyair]

Most often, this happens at big box stores. If you think the underpaid, overworked managers at these stores give two ****s where you have to park, you’re sadly mistaken.

That’s why they hire people who patrol the parking lots. So they don’t have to deal with it.

It's no concern of mine what the store manager wants to do about it.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

You know damn well what I’m talking about. I am talking about non-visible handicaps.

You know this. Weird.

Nope. You made the unmodified assertion of fact that NO ONE who did NOT have a medical degree was capable of determining if anyone else was (or was not) handicapped under any circumstances.

The odds that an 18 year old who pulls their pickup truck into a handicapped parking space and then sprints into the store is handicapped get pretty low unless you consider "arrogant stupid insensitive boorishness" to be a physical handicap. I don't think that they issue handicapped placards to people who are arrogant, stupid, insensitive, or nekulturni and those whose actual mental abilities are so low as to qualify as "handicaps" don't generally have the intellectual ability to actually drive.

 

[Super Chief]

How do you know that they are able bodied?

My father in law had laryngectomy because of throat cancer in the years before he died. He didn't use a cane, a walker, a wheelchair or any other such things. If you didn't talk to him and see that needed a mechanical device to speak you would not know that he was sick. But the man could not walk any kind of distance without becoming exhausted. He needed the disabled parking pass to be close enough to the store to be able to walk in under his own power and then lean on a shopping cart while he caught his breath.

If he needed to park close because he couldn't walk very far, then I would say yes, that is handicapped. But if he could walk around in a store, albeit even with some discomfort, then I say no, that is not in my opinion handicapped enough to need special parking privileges. Lots of men are capable of "toughening it up" because hey, we are men, right?

My father who was veteran and suffered from a degenerating back injury from when he was in the service was still tough as nails well into his 80s. He would have been ashamed to show weakness, especially when he knew guys missing limbs who wouldn't even use a handicapped spot.

Any why shouldn't we make life easier for pregnant women and seniors.

There you go, you just made my entire point. Making things easier is not necessarily indicative of an actual threshold for NEED. This liberal notion that equality of results is a requirement, and not just equality of access. What you are describing is a sense of entitlement for pregnant women and seniors. Just because a woman is five weeks pregnant, doesn't make her handicapped. If she gets to 8 months, and is having mobility issues, then her doctor can issue a temporary handicapped permit if she needs one. But you know as well as I do, that if we are somehow giving pregnant women special status, many will take that, because hey--- everyone needs to be some type of victim in our society today, right?

And seniors may not be handicapped, or struggle to walk. They too, unless are handicapped, they can walk same as everyone else. Maybe not as fast, but that does not make them cripples.

I'm in my (early) 60s and will ALWAYS give me seat to a pregnant woman. Or a senior. I cringe when I see others who don't.

My grandfather was 97 and would still give up his seat to a woman, even a young girl. But that is how MEN are supposed to act. Nothing special about that, it used to be a requirement for being considered a man.

 

[Superfly]

It's no concern of mine what the store manager wants to do about it.

Should be no concern of yours at all.

 

[Chock Full o Nuts]

Regarding "reserved" spaces outside of HC, a few of them, fine, whatever. If that's your business model.
But don't take half the lot right at the store front for online shoppers to get their goods brought and loaded.
That employee can push that cart right on out further in the lot. But that means you'll get your stuff 20 seconds later!
The misery!!

 

[Gaius46]

If he needed to park close because he couldn't walk very far, then I would say yes, that is handicapped. But if he could walk around in a store, albeit even with some discomfort, then I say no, that is not in my opinion handicapped enough to need special parking privileges. Lots of men are capable of "toughening it up" because hey, we are men, right?

My father who was veteran and suffered from a degenerating back injury from when he was in the service was still tough as nails well into his 80s. He would have been ashamed to show weakness, especially when he knew guys missing limbs who wouldn't even use a handicapped spot.

There you go, you just made my entire point. Making things easier is not necessarily indicative of an actual threshold for NEED. This liberal notion that equality of results is a requirement, and not just equality of access. What you are describing is a sense of entitlement for pregnant women and seniors. Just because a woman is five weeks pregnant, doesn't make her handicapped. If she gets to 8 months, and is having mobility issues, then her doctor can issue a temporary handicapped permit if she needs one. But you know as well as I do, that if we are somehow giving pregnant women special status, many will take that, because hey--- everyone needs to be some type of victim in our society today, right?

And seniors may not be handicapped, or struggle to walk. They too, unless are handicapped, they can walk same as everyone else. Maybe not as fast, but that does not make them cripples.




My grandfather was 97 and would still give up his seat to a woman, even a young girl. But that is how MEN are supposed to act. Nothing special about that, it used to be a requirement for being considered a man.

Ditto my father in law. He was in the Pacific in WWII. Half the reason he wouldn't use a cane or walker is because he didn't want to show weakness though he was practical enough to realize that he needed the shortened walk.

Why do I give up my seat to a women who is pregnant? Sure some of it is chivalry but as a practical matter being a pregnant woman on the NYC subway system sucks. I assume - and am probably right 90+% of the time - that a pregnant woman, even one years younger than I, is going to have a tougher go of it that we will and give up my seat to make her life easier. That same logic applies to giving her a closer parking space.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Regarding "reserved" spaces outside of HC, a few of them, fine, whatever. If that's your business model.
But don't take half the lot right at the store front for online shoppers to get their goods brought and loaded.
That employee can push that cart right on out further in the lot. But that means you'll get your stuff 20 seconds later!
The misery!!

Yeah - and having all of those spaces designated for special purposes means that YOU are going to have to walk 20 seconds longer

Oh - THE in HUmanITY of IT all.

PS - If you don't like the policies of the merchant's management, talk to them and tell them how to run their business. AND, if the merchant's management doesn't do what you want it to do, shop elsewhere.

 

[Chock Full o Nuts]

Yeah - and having all of those spaces designated for special purposes means that YOU are going to have to walk 20 seconds longer

Oh - THE in HUmanITY of IT all.

Eh, don't really care.. Already stated I always look to park near a corral around mid lot. I'm just bitching, like everyone else.
But some people may like to get a little closer to walk in..

Two more weeks before I can be weight bearing in a boot from a broken fibula and try and get back to work. When I go to Home Depot for material I'll still hobble in from mid-lot. Or maybe I'll have my doc sign me a HC placard form!

 

[zincwarrior]

If he needed to park close because he couldn't walk very far, then I would say yes, that is handicapped. But if he could walk around in a store, albeit even with some discomfort, then I say no, that is not in my opinion handicapped enough to need special parking privileges. Lots of men are capable of "toughening it up" because hey, we are men, right?

My father who was veteran and suffered from a degenerating back injury from when he was in the service was still tough as nails well into his 80s. He would have been ashamed to show weakness, especially when he knew guys missing limbs who wouldn't even use a handicapped spot.

There you go, you just made my entire point. Making things easier is not necessarily indicative of an actual threshold for NEED. This liberal notion that equality of results is a requirement, and not just equality of access. What you are describing is a sense of entitlement for pregnant women and seniors. Just because a woman is five weeks pregnant, doesn't make her handicapped. If she gets to 8 months, and is having mobility issues, then her doctor can issue a temporary handicapped permit if she needs one. But you know as well as I do, that if we are somehow giving pregnant women special status, many will take that, because hey--- everyone needs to be some type of victim in our society today, right?

And seniors may not be handicapped, or struggle to walk. They too, unless are handicapped, they can walk same as everyone else. Maybe not as fast, but that does not make them cripples.




My grandfather was 97 and would still give up his seat to a woman, even a young girl. But that is how MEN are supposed to act. Nothing special about that, it used to be a requirement for being considered a man.

Its not up to you.

 

[Super Chief]

Its not up to you.

Well, you should vote me king, because if I were king I would fix everything. And most people would love it, even as some will be miserable.

 

[zincwarrior]

Well, you should vote me king, because if I were king I would fix everything. And most people would love it, even as some will be miserable.

Hah! Respect!