People need to realize, the Covid vaccine is only marginally effective.

[screenwriter]

You know it really makes me sick reading this thread. With all these statistics and science and data you are all missing the point. There is one question and one question only: if I refuse to get vaccinated, what are the chances that I own the Libs?

A week ago, I went to the doctor and I had to get a ride home in an Uber. The driver was violently coughing, shoveling cough drops into his mouth and was listening to an anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist on conservative radio. And he picked me up from a doctors office where I see my rheumatologist for an auto immune disorder

the stupidity of human beings is well known to me and yet it never ceases to amaze me. I did wind up with a five dollar credit for Uber eats. So I was totally not owned

You showed them

 

[Taylor]

This is what you wrote:

Yup.
That is what I said. The virus has killed thousands of fully vaccinated people. This is a fact. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the CDC.

If not, please stop wasting everyone's time with your stupid virtue signaling.

 

[Taylor]

This is true. And it's also true that your fellow Republicans and fellow Trump supporters are lying every day about the vaccine and pushing anti-vax talking points and promoting lies and anti-vax propaganda.

Blah blah blah Trump Blah Blah Trump Blah Blah...

 

[W_Heisenberg]

That is what I said. The virus has killed thousands of fully vaccinated people. This is a fact. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the CDC.

Do you believe, as I indicated earlier, the vaccine has saved 270,000 American lives?

 

[W_Heisenberg]

If not, please stop wasting everyone's time with your stupid virtue signaling.

Why are you adopting and pushing arguments that seem intended to discourage people from getting vaccinated?

I recall in the other big thread about the vaccine mandate you also made the point about there being too many confounding variables for us too discern whether or not the vaccine is safe and effective. You ran away from that thread too.

Do you believe the vaccine is safe and effective?

 

[Fledermaus]

What do you think the numbers are? and why?

Thanks

Sources for your numbers?

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Blah blah blah Trump Blah Blah Trump Blah Blah...
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LOL ROFL MAGA TRUMP 2024. OId people and fat people dying of Covid-19 are funny. Cull the herd! Look at this spoon stick to your skin! LOL ROFL MAGA. MAGA MAGA MAGA

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

And you have to treat a vaccine as only one item in a long list to keep you safe.

Just like a car

Brakes, tires, suspension, crash structure, newer cars will have airbags, crash avoidance systems.

Relying on just the vaccine will not work, relying on just social distancing, will not work, just wearing a mask will not work. All help to avoid getting seriously sick or ill

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I think the VAERS system needs to be given a password protect system so that moronic anti-vaxxers can't "Craigslist" the reporting into oblivion.

Limitations​

Like other spontaneous reporting systems, VAERS has several limitations, including underreporting, unverified reports, inconsistent data quality, and inadequate data about the number of people vaccinated. Indeed, an autism activist named Jim Laidler once reported to VAERS that a vaccine had turned him into The Incredible Hulk. The report was accepted and entered into the database, but the dubious nature thereof prompted a VAERS representative to contact Mr. Laidler, who then gave his consent to delete the report.

Almost every single time some anti-vaccine activist tries to pollute DP and every other channel on social media, they immediately point to unverified reports on VAERS about how "millions of people have DIED due to adverse reactions to the poisonous microchip embedded Bill Gates vaccine" or some other such nonsense.
A lot of what drives the hysterical anti-vaccine rallies and violence is based on bullshit slurped up by these idiots.
They simultaneously screech about how one cannot trust anything the government says and in the same breath quote VAERS.

The stupidity is at critical mass.

 

[Threegoofs]

Yup.
That is what I said. The virus has killed thousands of fully vaccinated people. This is a fact. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the CDC.

If not, please stop wasting everyone's time with your stupid virtue signaling.

This is, of course, a lie. The people who have died were overwhelmingly immune compromised and had a poor (and almost always preductable) non- response to the virus. The CDC says no such thing, no matter what stupid shit you you believe.

 

[Mustachio]

You showed them

I know 5 dollars right? No I just didn’t want to ride with him again. If you complain they can’t pick you up again. I didn’t care that he was listening to seb gorka. I used to listen to that idiot every day while I did dishes. But the dude was super sick and listening to a rant about how harmless covid is. Who the hell would pick somebody up at the doctor like that? That’s what I find shocking. I understand that people have decided they’d rather die than take a vaccine they somehow associate with liberals, but to be so unaware of other people preferring to live that you casually spread your covid to people you KNOW are already receiving medical care? How many people are going around acting that blatantly moronic? I gave the guy 5 stars, I don’t wish him any harm, I think the least he can do is give his riders one tiny ounce of respect. But no. Kill some sick people and pretend it’s justifiable, it’s not

 

[snakestretcher]

What is the point of submitting this link?

This does not speak tp the criteria I cited.

It seems to me you think ROI and vaccination efficiency are irrelevant and only % of population inoculated matters.

Of course percentages matter; that's how herd immunity is achieved; the more people vaccinated, the fewer hosts there are for a virus to infect. Furthermore why do you think the vaccines are inefficient?

 

[snakestretcher]

Thousands of vaccinated people are dying. Are you trying to get more people killed with this bs?

Where are all these 'thousands' dying, and what is killing them? Any idea, and why are you so terrified of a vaccine which saves lives-including yours?

 

[snakestretcher]

Because the truth saves lives.

Vaccines are the 'truth' and they save lives.

 

[Taylor]

Vaccines are the 'truth' and they save lives.

Huh?

 

[Taylor]

Where are all these 'thousands' dying, and what is killing them? Any idea, and why are you so terrified of a vaccine which saves lives-including yours?

In the US. Covid.

 

[CaughtInThe]

i wonder how many more kids lost a parent yesterday because of threads like this.

 

[Taylor]

This is, of course, a lie.

Take it up with the CDC.

The people who have died were overwhelmingly immune compromised and had a poor (and almost always preductable) non- response to the virus.

More leftist "old people don't matter, let them die" nonsense.

 

[Threegoofs]

Take it up with the CDC.


More leftist "old people don't matter, let them die" nonsense.

No- it’s factual, the vaccine in non- immunocompromised people is pretty much solidly protective in both hospitalizations snd death.

 

[Taylor]

No- it’s factual, the vaccine in non- immunocompromised people is pretty much solidly protective in both hospitalizations snd death.

What's factual is that 1000's of fully vaxxed people are dying from Covid. Why would you want to sweep that under the rug? Are you trying to get more people killed by giving them a false sense of security?

 

[noonereal]

why do you think the vaccines are inefficient?

according to Israel's studies, the protection "vanishes" at 4-5 months

Yes, they used the word "vanishes."

I read another countries study just Monday that referred to protection at 6 months post second vaccination at 40%.

They are good, they are not the silver bullet they were pre Delta.

Pre Delta they were heralded as the best vaccine ever. (with the least side effects)

Delta changed all that but to many the image of the vaccine has not. Hence we are asked to continue wearing masks indoors.

 

[Visbek]

What's factual is that 1000's of fully vaxxed people are dying from Covid.

What's "factual" is that almost none of the deaths from COVID in the US are in fully vaccinated people.

The CDC tracks breakthrough cases and deaths. Since January, there were around 5,000 deaths and 16,000 hospitalizations from breakthrough cases. During that time period, there were 350,000 deaths from COVID. That means less than 2% of all COVID deaths this year were fully vaccinated individuals.

Study after study after study confirms that the vaccines are highly effective at preventing hospitalization and death from COVID. Why are you trying to sweep that under the rug?

 

[ecofarm]

Yup.
That is what I said. The virus has killed thousands of fully vaccinated people. This is a fact. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the CDC.

If not, please stop wasting everyone's time with your stupid virtue signaling.

Blah blah blah Trump Blah Blah Trump Blah Blah...
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That's obviously idiotic bs attempting to deflect. What anti-vax garbage.

 

[Visbek]

according to Israel's studies, the protection "vanishes" at 4-5 months

Yes, they used the word "vanishes."

I read another countries study just Monday that referred to protection at 6 months post second vaccination at 40%.

No, that's not what it says.

It says that protection against hospitalization and deaths remains very high (90% and up) for 6 months after full vaccination, including against Delta.

Protection against non-serious infections drops from around 80% to 47% after 6 months. That's for both Alpha and Delta.

Pre Delta they were heralded as the best vaccine ever. (with the least side effects)

That's because they are incredibly effective.

No vaccine is 100%, but it doesn't need to be 100%. If all it did was reduce hospitalizations and deaths by 95%, that would be stunning, and really all that's needed.

The vaccines are effective. The real problem is that not enough people are volunteering to vaccinate.

Haven't we already gone over this, in this very thread?

 

[noonereal]

No, that's not what it says.

I did not mispeak. It is exceedingly rare that I might.