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this way to extremly excessive for what has taken place..........teams (football, basketball, baseball, ect) are to be penalized for cheating...acadmics, eligiblity whatever....what happend here did not give Penn State an edge on the football field.....a criminal act took place that just happened to be conducted by football staff, prosecute the ones guilty accordingly.....how does revoking scholarships, banning bowls, vacating wins ect. help the victims?......the money ok, i can see that but the "football program" didnt do this to those kids...only a handful of individuals did
Before he announced the punishments....he said they were harsh and the intention is to send a message that FOOTBALL does not come before education and the safety of our children...and for that I support every single sanction....football shouldnt be and cant be more important than a schools mission of education.
Sports has become thugged up,
One of my NFL clients told me that the NFL stood for...
National
Felon's
League
Sure, if you allow the behavior of a few to tarnish the image of the many.
Nittany Wits
This is punishment. This is not "reform."
This is not "reform" because the NCAA, the most corrupt entity in a corrupt business, is still in place, and so are its rules. This is not "reform" because, all over America, there are still multimillion dollar sports enterprises wagging the dog at universities, and coaches with enough power to cover up even the most heinous crimes. This is not "reform" because nothing was, well, reformed.
As punishment, though, it is a big old meteor from space. Sixty million bucks is a considerable fine. (The essential worth of it, of course, will be judged by where the money actually goes.) And, of course, it's a happy day around the Bowden household.
Pay the money, boys. It's chicken feed compared to the civil judgments that are coming down the track.
from Charles Pierce, a great writer
It is highly possible that Penn State, within a few years, will be relegated to Div III status for its football teams because it won't be able to afford the high salaries demanded by Div I coaches.
from Charles Pierce, a great writer
It is highly possible that Penn State, within a few years, will be relegated to Div III status for its football teams because it won't be able to afford the high salaries demanded by Div I coaches.
The $60 million is not going to the victims.This went on FOR AT LEAST 15 years, thus the vacation of ALL of those wins, yet the sanction money is for 1/15th of that, only a single year's revenue. Even if only 10 children were harmed (a VERY low estimate) that is only $6 million per kid raped, FAR below what a civil jury award is likely to be. Placing money in a victim's fund is NOT the pervue of the NCAA, especilly limitting it to $60 million total, perhaps $60 million per victim or (per year) would be more appropriate. Much like saying we caught you STEALING $900 million so give back $60 million and we will call it all square.
The NCAA ordered Penn State to pay the penalty funds into an endowment for "external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university.
The $60 million is not going to the victims.
Any money going to the victims will come from the civil suits that are sure to be filed against those responsible and the university.
The NCAA ordered Penn State to pay the penalty funds into an endowment for "external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university
When I consider this this raping little boys in the ass scandal combined with the climategate scandal at PSU from a couple years ago, I think it is tme to cut-off all taxpayer funding for PSU. Permanently.
$60 million is just a drop in the bucket.
Cut them off.
PERIOD.
Judging by the history of that corrupt institution, in my opinion, the only prudent thing for the taxpayers to do is sever all ties with PSU.
It appears that is your impression, however, when someone like Micheal Vick, a convicted felon, is lauded because he is doing what everyone else is required to in society then is cavalier in subsequent interviews it is hard to say that these football factories turn out the cream of society's crop.
Incidentally, my NFL guys were friends and I would join them for charitable events. They were never required to make personal appearances or play sports for charity these guys were just a bunch of great people that wanted to give back to society for what they have been received so freely in their lives.
I wonder how many of those advocating that the central Penn State administration is to blame would make the same accusations of the Catholic Church's coverups of THOUSANDS of such incidents.
I most certainly would. At the heart of both issues is a cultural problem of institutional corruption.
I never liked Mike Vick and I still don't, but he did his time and paid his debt to society.
This post hardly negates what I said though. For every "thug" in the NFL, there's 10 solid guys who keep their noses clean and put their souls out on the field for us on Sundays. This thread isn't even about the NFL though, so I don't even know why this is being brought up.
Sure. But you'd never advocate that they should be barred from having new converts or members join their ranks. You wouldn't even advocate banning them from conducting services. What's the difference here? The University Program shouldn't be punished. The people who played a role? Yes. But the entire school? They didn't know about Sandursky anymore than we did.
The post was never meant to negate what you said, it emphasized YOUR misunderstanding of what I said. If you read the whole post you would see that I was friends with these people, accepted them into my life and I will add, stuck with them after their professional careers when many of the hero worshiping fans forgot who they were while these former players adjusted to life with injured and broken bodies and wallets to match.
I wonder how many of those advocating that the central Penn State administration is to blame would make the same accusations of the Catholic Church's coverups of THOUSANDS of such incidents.
In both cases I'd argue for the institution to be punished as a whole, not simply the men who perpetrated the crimes. In the case of Penn State, anything less would be a slap on the wrist. This isn't one of those situations where a few guys went rogue and everyone else is guiltless. This has to do with a culture that's so messed up that it ends up making a football coach the most important person at an academic institution. The fact that you still have Paterno cultists up there whining about how he and his legacy are being unfairly persecuted just tells you how much they don't get it and how out-of-whack their perspective is.
Let's not get it twisted, this is the worst thing to happen in the history of college sports, if not American sports, period. SMU got the death penalty for two years because they paid some of their athletes and changed some grades. The damage that was done here absolutely PALES in comparison to what happened at SMU, and in my opinion the NCAA merely slapped Penn State on the wrist given the magnitude of what happened.
There's absolutely nothing I see here that discourages something like this from happening again. PSU will still bring in tons of revenue even with a ****ty team, they'll still fill stadiums, and they'll still have their wealthy donors covering their asses. So after I've heard arguments from all sides and have had time to reconsider, I've changed my position from "seems fair" this morning to "no way in hell is this even close to being adequate."
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