Pelosi, worst speaker in the history of the Universe

[Chappy]

here for you, Chappy


although it's worth noting that her "cutting deficit spending has been a priority for us" claim yesterday borders on insane, if it's not falsehood.

Neither insane or false.

“When I became speaker of the House ... our majority made PAYGO the rule of the House -- that if you wanted to have an investment, an entitlement, etc., you had to pay for it. There was no open-ended spending.” — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi¹​

Excerpted from “Pelosi touts Democrats' revival of 'pay-as-you-go' budget rules,” PolitiFact.com, emphasis added
[SIZE="+2"]I[/SIZE]t's an undeniable fact that the new Democratic majority in 2007 "made PAYGO the rule of the House," as she said. But the second part of her statement -- "if you wanted to have an investment, an entitlement, etc., you had to pay for it" -- contains some aspects that are misleading. Investments made with discretionary spending, from highway-building to elementary school aid, were never supposed to be subject to PAYGO. Nor were ordinary increases in entitlements. In addition, even for key bills that should have been subject to PAYGO, Democratic leaders have acted to waive the rule on several occasions. So we rate Pelosi's statement Half True.

“I do see a lot of bills proposed with offsets. The rule has caused Congress to think more carefully about the costs of what they pass.” — Marc Goldwein, Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget²​

 

[cpwill]

since PAYGO was established.... what, 5 Trillion in deficit spending?

if you declare that you're only going to "deficit spend in 'emergencies'" only to later declare everything to be an 'emergency'.

then you haven't really decided to deficit spend except in emergencies, and paygo is not any kind of a 'priority'.

that even Politifact can only justify give it a "half true" measure is telling.




as for the original discussion; i'm hearing that having 19 defections in the Speaker vote is something that hasn't happened since 1913.

 

[soccerboy22]

Actually when it comes to be Speaker of the House Pelosi was rather effective. On both Cap and Trade and the Healthcare bill she got the Democrats in line to vote. So, I would say getting the votes to get things passed does make you a rather effective Speaker.

 

[Whovian]

Actually when it comes to be Speaker of the House Pelosi was rather effective. On both Cap and Trade and the Healthcare bill she got the Democrats in line to vote. So, I would say getting the votes to get things passed does make you a rather effective Speaker.

Cap & Trade died... and healthcare is on the chopping block.

 

[American]

well.. you should at LEAST set it up fairly.

Oh, what's unfair about it?

 

[soccerboy22]

Cap & Trade died... and healthcare is on the chopping block.

I purposely didn't say if the bills were signed into law or the outlook on the bills, but this doesn't change the fact she got the votes in the House for two big and heated bills.

 

[American]

Neither insane or false.

“When I became speaker of the House ... our majority made PAYGO the rule of the House -- that if you wanted to have an investment, an entitlement, etc., you had to pay for it. There was no open-ended spending.” — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi¹​

“I do see a lot of bills proposed with offsets. The rule has caused Congress to think more carefully about the costs of what they pass.” — Marc Goldwein, Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget²​

 

[Jetboogieman]

Actually when it comes to be Speaker of the House Pelosi was rather effective. On both Cap and Trade and the Healthcare bill she got the Democrats in line to vote. So, I would say getting the votes to get things passed does make you a rather effective Speaker.

That really doesn't matter to most conservatives though. They don't like the agenda she pushed, not the fact she was good at her job.

I could say "I hate what Hitler did". But gosh darnit he was quite the effective dictator. Even as Berlin fell to pieces around him he still had the power, and exercised it, having people executed for treason. Even Eva Brauns brother . Fegelein.

 

[American]

Actually when it comes to be Speaker of the House Pelosi was rather effective. On both Cap and Trade and the Healthcare bill she got the Democrats in line to vote. So, I would say getting the votes to get things passed does make you a rather effective Speaker.

That's the job of the majority whip. Next?

 

[Whovian]

I purposely didn't say if the bills were signed into law or the outlook on the bills, but this doesn't change the fact she got the votes in the House for two big and heated bills.

So, you measure the effectiveness of the Speaker not by actual results in getting legislation passed, but by getting the votes in?

Interesting. I always thought it was the results that determined how effective someone was at their job.

 

[cpwill]

FackCheck.org says:

With and without PAYGO, the deficit has increased dramatically since Pelosi became speaker, under both Presidents Bush and Obama.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office’s November monthly budget review contains a chart that shows the deficit steadily climbed from $161 billion in 2007 to $459 billion in 2008, and peaked at $1.4 trillion in 2009. By that year, the deficit represented 10 percent of GDP — the highest level since 1945. It was $1.3 trillion, or 8.9 percent of GDP, in fiscal year 2010 — the second highest since 1945.

As the numbers show, the speaker can take credit for spending more money on education, veterans, small business tax credits and other programs, but she can’t also take credit for "restoring fiscal discipline."

 

[Barbbtx]

Actually when it comes to be Speaker of the House Pelosi was rather effective. On both Cap and Trade and the Healthcare bill she got the Democrats in line to vote. So, I would say getting the votes to get things passed does make you a rather effective Speaker.

That's why I didn't vote in the poll. As much as I hate everything she got passed, she did get them passed for her side. They paid a big price in 2010 for her too, but that just shows how good she was. They were willing to walk the plank for her.

 

[roughdraft274]

That's why I didn't vote in the poll. As much as I hate everything she got passed, she did get them passed for her side. They paid a big price in 2010 for her too, but that just shows how good she was. They were willing to walk the plank for her.

Dems would have lost seats no matter what. People like divided government and historically if a party has the presidency and congress they don't do great in congressional elections. Getting all of that agenda done most likely did spike up some conservative votes that normally stay home but to act like Nancy Pelosi is the reason any particular house member lost their seat is ridiculous.

 

[soccerboy22]

So, you measure the effectiveness of the Speaker not by actual results in getting legislation passed, but by getting the votes in?

Interesting. I always thought it was the results that determined how effective someone was at their job.

Well, I think it is both, but Pelosi did not have any control on if the Senate passed something or not. So, I find myself having to look at both sides in whether the bill was signed by the President, but also how she managed to get people in the House to vote for.

 

[Chappy]

None of this adds up to Nancy Pelosi as a pathological liar or deluded or any of the other crap that has been thrown at her. The reality is that she's one of the great Speakers in American history — the first woman to serve; the first Italian-American to serve.

Excerpted from “Shields and Brooks Tackle the Aftermath of Health Reform,” transcript, PBS, AIR DATE: March 26, 2010
[SIZE="+2"]M[/SIZE]ark Shields: Nancy Pelosi stands today in my judgment, having watched this and covered this debate, having been, with Barack Obama, the two pillars who stood tall when people were saying, let's go, let's go for the little bite-size.

Nancy Pelosi delivered the House of Representatives. She is the master of that House. And she has made herself -- she did something which Tip O'Neill or Sam Rayburn could never do. Not once, not twice, but three times, she passed health care through the House of Representatives. And she stands, in my judgment, as the most powerful political woman in the history of this country.

 

[Compatibilist]

Nancy Pelosi was the most powerful and effective Speaker in decades; I think the best testament of that is the extent of your baseless contempt. She is the most powerful woman in American history. She smashed one of the thickest glass ceilings imaginable. She is a politician's politician. God bless Nancy Pelosi!

Sounds like you and nancy are having a Castro Street love affair.... if you can get sway her away, perhaps nuptials are in your future?? I assume it would be one of them SS mariages.

We saw 5 trillion more bucks in debt under that witch... she has been a major force leading us towards financial chaos and quite possibly ruin.

 

[Chappy]

Nancy Pelosi led the passage of the critical legislation that the Bush administration pleaded for to save the country and the world from financial ruin. She led the passage of the economic stimulus bill and more recently the tax cut compromise bill. That we have a national economy at all today is thanks in large part to Nancy Pelosi's efforts.

 

[Whovian]

Nancy Pelosi led the passage of the critical legislation that the Bush administration pleaded for to save the country and the world from financial ruin. She led the passage of the economic stimulus bill and more recently the tax cut compromise bill. That we have a national economy at all today is thanks in large part to Nancy Pelosi's efforts.

Which specific Bush legislation are you referring to?

You mean the Stimulus bill that, if not enacted, would cost 500 million american jobs every month?

Um, she was against the tax cut compromise.
Pelosi pledges to win changes as House Dems reject tax deal
http://www.kwtx.com/centraltexasvotes/localheadlines/Pelosi_Criticizes_Tax_Cut_Compromise_111456379.html

 

[Chappy]

Troubled Asset Relief Program
She misspoke.

Excerpted from “Pelosi Walks Tax-Deal Tightrope; House Speaker Must Corral Angry Democratic Caucus That Wants To Change Obama's Deal With GOP” By NAFTALI BENDAVID, The Wall Street Journal, DECEMBER 12, 2010
[SIZE="+2"]M[/SIZE]s. Pelosi has adopted a careful strategy: She's not quashing the Democratic rebellion, but she's not leading it, either. At an angry meeting of House Democrats Thursday, Ms. Pelosi said little, according to participants, though she did periodically assure members that she hadn't signed onto the tax deal.

 

[Compatibilist]

Nancy Pelosi greatest hits... Unbelievable... even her audience laughs at her ignorance.

Dumb and dumber

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpBnO5ICoN8

 

[Henrin]

What a bogus poll! Troll much?

Nancy Pelosi was the most powerful and effective Speaker in decades; I think the best testament of that is the extent of your baseless contempt. She is the most powerful woman in American history. She smashed one of the thickest glass ceilings imaginable. She is a politician's politician. God bless Nancy Pelosi!

The lady that turns off peoples water for a foreign fish is a god send.

 

[Grim17]

This says it all.

 

[Chappy]

I don't doubt Nancy Pelosi delivered plenty of sour grapes for conservatives to swallow; for some the fruit appears to have caught in their throats.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

As far as I'm concerned, Pelosi is arrogant and a worthless bureucrat, but there had been far worse. I would like to add that this is a rigged poll, as there's no "no" option

 

[Fiddytree]

American, you wouldn't entertain the possibility that others would be more repugnant like, say for instance, Rayburn, or O' Neill?