Pelosi says the House will move to impeach Trump if he doesn’t resign ‘immediately.’

[dcsports]

If he gets impeached, he can lose his secret service detail. In fact, since an act of Congress gave former Presidents their SS detail, heck within the last 70 years or so, it really would only take an Act of Congress to rewrite that particular clause to include former Presidents who broke some rule or another or who may be convicted in civilian court of a crime (perhaps give a list).

Former Presidents Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And while he did donate his salary, that doesn't mean he agreed to donate his pension or not take those travel expenses he is authorized, or will suddenly stop charging the US government his resort rates for his SS details.

I understand that they included this under the former presidents act, to help ensure a detail was budgeted and allocated. However, I don't think they could responsibly pull this, given today's environment.

 

[joko104]

It's a stupid thought from Peolosi - and a waste of time.

The awesome part of that 'plan' is would be that if Trump and Pence were removed, Pelosi would have to resign her current position. She would be at the mercy of the governor of California - if he wanted to reappoint her. He would be under pressure to appoint someone more diverse.

And deny Kamala Harris a chance to become the first female president at the same time.

 

[dcsports]

It's not up to McConnell anymore. He is no longer the senate leader

He is, until replaced.

Keep in mind that with a 50/50 senate the tie is broken by the VP. Until Jan 20, that's Mike Pence. (And I believe it's technically still 50-48, until the Georgia election results are certified and the senators sworn in.)

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Nope. Read the speech, in full. He did not.

Okay, since you are impervious to reason, moving on. I mean surely lying to your supporters for 2 months by telling them that an election was stolen, that your opponents are evil, and that it's up to them to save the country, is not in any way incitement.... I guess William Barr was wrong when he said Trump had "orchestrated a mob"...

Maybe one day you will care more about this country than your despicable orange hero, but you are obviously not there yet, so good look with that.

 

[vegas giants]

He is, until replaced.

Keep in mind that with a 50/50 senate the tie is broken by the VP. Until Jan 20, that's Mike Pence.

Pelosi said she wants the senate to wait 100 days....and then do it

 

[dcsports]

Pelosi said she wants the senate to wait 100 days....and then do it

Pelosi doesn't have a choice, unless she is going to sit on the articles again. Which begs the two questions: 1) Why rush the articles through the house, and 2) Why bother at all?

 

[vegas giants]

Pelosi doesn't have a choice, unless she is going to sit on the articles again. Which begs the two questions: 1) Why rush the articles through the house, and 2) Why bother at all?

As long as it gets done I dont care when

 

[roguenuke]

Yes, lets send the message that if you disagree with the opposing party we will remove protection and leave you open to assassination for the rest of your life.

Great idea...

Let's send the message that if you spread lies and misinformation to work your followers up into a lunatic level frenzy, where they attack our Capitol during a very important democratic process, some looking to kill members of the opposing party, that you don't deserve the benefits that come from when you leave office because you disgraced the office.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Okay, since you are impervious to reason, moving on. I mean surely lying to your supporters for 2 months by telling them that an election was stolen, that your opponents are evil, and that it's up to them to save the country, is not in any way incitement.... I guess William Barr was wrong when he said Trump had "orchestrated a mob"...

Maybe one day you will care more about this country than your despicable orange hero, but you are obviously not there yet, so good look with that.

I care more about this country than Democrats do about power. So there is that....

 

[Integrityrespec]

Why is it not viable after he left office? Its a trial, albeit a political one. The point is not to remove him, but to set the historic record, which is even more important than Trump.



That is an awfully vague statement. How so?

Remove her from office for inciting violence in the country. She knows impeachment of Trump may cause more violence. She knew tearing up the copy of the State of the Union speech would cause animosity and possibly violence down the road among republican. She spread misinformation of Russian Collusion which has caused the divide in the country. The list is enormous. She blocked the Covid relief bill so Trump would not benefit from it in the election, she said so. She harmed the country for her political agenda. She needs to resign or be removed by the Congress.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Let's send the message that if you spread lies and misinformation to work your followers up into a lunatic level frenzy, where they attack our Capitol during a very important democratic process, some looking to kill members of the opposing party, that you don't deserve the benefits that come from when you leave office because you disgraced the office.

So, having him assassinated outside of office IS the message, got it.

 

[roguenuke]

I understand that they included this under the former presidents act, to help ensure a detail was budgeted and allocated. However, I don't think they could responsibly pull this, given today's environment.

They can pull it if he ends up not being acquitted by the Senate. And they can change it for future Presidents to add caveats that they can't do things like lie and misinform their followers in order to push a "revolution" or attempted kidnapping/killing of other members of our government. I don't see Trump getting on the news stating clearly that these conspiracy theories going around about him are bullshit and that they need to stop.

 

[roguenuke]

So, having him assassinated outside of office IS the message, got it.

Removing his protection doesn't get him assassinated. The majority of our Presidents have not had protection after leaving office, and of those who have, more didn't have it longer than 10 years.

 

[MSgt]

Why? Because he's used the same rhetoric in the 100 rallies over the summer and a dozen since the election no one has ever rioted? But it was predictable last week? Do tell. Make your case.

There's certainly a measure of hindsight involved. But we shouldn't confuse being shocked with not being surprised. He had spent years creating a loyal following. There's a reason they came to be seen as a religious cult.

In the summer, Trump's former Secretary of Defense (Mattis) and former Chief of Staff (Kelly) warned America that Trump was a threat to the Constitution. Almost 500 Generals, Admirals, and security officers signed an endorsement for Biden. Trump was spending his time creating distrust and hate towards the American elections. And as he began to lose, Trump immediately fueled his cult into action to reject and protest. As November and December played out, Trump's viciousness and wild accusations became more and more desperate. He tried to stop everything, from the actual count on November 3rd, to the Electoral blessing on January 6th. The man even tried to order state Republican to find votes before pressuring his own VP to simply hand him a victory.

So, on the very last day of this journey, January 6th, when Trump and his coven of traitors raged in D.C. and excited the cult to march down to the Capitol Building and show strength, that's exactly what they did. It shocked us what they were allowed to do. But it was not surprising. For anybody who did not listen to his tantrum of a speech, all they had to do was take a look afterwards and say "well, no wonder."

 

[MSgt]

Removing his protection doesn't get him assassinated. The majority of our Presidents have not had protection after leaving office, and of those who have, more didn't have it longer than 10 years.

Well, Trump is going to either choke on a Whopper or his clogged arteries will do him in before that.

 

[MSgt]

So, having him assassinated outside of office IS the message, got it.

Well, who would "have" him assassinated?

- Democrats wouldn't because it is far too delicious to watch him squirm under all the investigations and charges coming his way. He will largely cease to matter on January 20.

- Big Business wouldn't care, because he accomplished their work for them while he was in Office. Can't do much of anything else for them now except keep feeding their swamp.

This leaves:

- CIA? Trump's knowledge of secrets, his friendships with autocrats and foreign oligarchs, and his addiction for revenge might be an issue.

- Russian oligarchs and Russian mob? Trump's desperation to destroy American democracy seems very obnoxious for just not wanting to lose. Losing means losing protection.

- Cult? They went after Lindsey Graham for betraying them. Some alt-Right moron might eventually feel betrayed by Trump. I mean, he throws them under the bus all the time.

- Burger King? As his arteries close, he will eat less, sending Burger King into a economic place of despair. Plus, Kings don't like little people playing king.

 

[dcsports]

As long as it gets done I dont care when

Again, a process for his removal of the president is pointless once he's no longer in office. It's a waste of time and resources. Why rush now if the timing isn't important?

 

[vegas giants]

Again, a process for his removal of the president is pointless once he's no longer in office. It's a waste of time and resources. Why rush now if the timing isn't important?

Your legal opinion is noted. Better legal.minds than you and I disagree and say you can do it anytime

 

[dcsports]

They can pull it if he ends up not being acquitted by the Senate. And they can change it for future Presidents to add caveats that they can't do things like lie and misinform their followers in order to push a "revolution" or attempted kidnapping/killing of other members of our government. I don't see Trump getting on the news stating clearly that these conspiracy theories going around about him are bullshit and that they need to stop.

He's not going to be 'removed' (whatever that means in this case) by the Senate.

Congress isn't going to put ANY caveats on lying for politicians. It's certainly the last thing democrats would want.

 

[dcsports]

Your legal opinion is noted. Better legal.minds than you and I disagree and say you can do it anytime

lol. I guess you CAN do it. Should we impeach Obama for lying about the ACA now? It's a waste of time to run a process of removing someone when they are no longer in office - just to kick a little sand in their face. It's wasteful. Do you not think Congress has more pressing priorities, given the dual challenges of a health and economic crisis?

 

[Rawley]

There's certainly a measure of hindsight involved. But we shouldn't confuse being shocked with not being surprised. He had spent years creating a loyal following. There's a reason they came to be seen as a religious cult.

In the summer, Trump's former Secretary of Defense (Mattis) and former Chief of Staff (Kelly) warned America that Trump was a threat to the Constitution. Almost 500 Generals, Admirals, and security officers signed an endorsement for Biden. Trump was spending his time creating distrust and hate towards the American elections. And as he began to lose, Trump immediately fueled his cult into action to reject and protest. As November and December played out, Trump's viciousness and wild accusations became more and more desperate. He tried to stop everything, from the actual count on November 3rd, to the Electoral blessing on January 6th. The man even tried to order state Republican to find votes before pressuring his own VP to simply hand him a victory.

So, on the very last day of this journey, January 6th, when Trump and his coven of traitors raged in D.C. and excited the cult to march down to the Capitol Building and show strength, that's exactly what they did. It shocked us what they were allowed to do. But it was not surprising. For anybody who did not listen to his tantrum of a speech, all they had to do was take a look afterwards and say "well, no wonder."

You weren't surprised that anarchists rioted and broke in the Capital building? Were there previous riots at Trump rallies that tipped you off?

 

[vegas giants]

lol. I guess you CAN do it. Should we impeach Obama for lying about the ACA now? But it's a waste of time to run a process of removing someone when they are no longer in office - just to kick a little sand in their face. It's wasteful. Do you not think Congress has more pressing priorities, given the dual challenges of a health and economic crisis?

Sure. Go for it. If you have the votes. Lol


It costs nothing to impeach trump but it insures he is done with politics for life.

That is time well spent

 

[Bodi]

The 25th amendment doesn't apply. You can't use it for political reasons.

Yes it does and yes it can... Alexander Hamilton, Federalist 65

 

[MSgt]

You weren't surprised that anarchists rioted and broke in the Capital building? Were there previous riots at Trump rallies that tipped you off?

Shocked...not surprised. My response was "who else?"

And I wrote exactly why. After all that had come before it was the next logical desperate step on the very last day that dropped the last nail on their hopes and dreams of a Trump re-election. But...are we going to call them "anarchists" now to remove them from Trump's supporters? Play into that new right-wing conspiracy nonsense that Antifa did this? Clearly, as they waved Trump Nation flags and Confederate flags, along side the American flag, they weren't looking for anarchy. You know what they wanted.

And these right-wing morons merely represented the whole, because they were allowed to speak for the whole for years.

* But on a side note, people should take note that it is always the extreme of the right that can be counted on to show up...

- BLM also demonstrated in D.C. Yet, despite the exaggeration of Antifa and the riots here and there around the country, they behaved and did not target government takedown.

- Anti-Vietnam War protestors demonstrated in D.C. Yet, despite violence and riots here and there around the country, they behaved and did not target government takedown.

- And what about that million-man march? Did minorities storm government? They behaved and didn't seek to wreck American democracy.

But Trump Nation? Aren't conservatives the ones who are so deathly afraid of black protestors, Antifa, anti-war protestors, and immigrants ruining the country? They show up in D.C. and target the Legislative itself, at the encouragement of the Executive, who also presented the Judicial as disloyal.

 

[TurtleDude]

I just want him to lose his secret service detail and his pension.

Actual charges can happen later.

why? are you hoping someone will try to harm him?