Pelosi says the House will move to impeach Trump if he doesn’t resign ‘immediately.’

[The Mark]

US needs a Domestic Terror law. Case in point was the attacks on the Capitol
That would provide the FBI a wider range ot legal tools to surveil, infiltrate, disrupt and charge
FBI has had domestic terrorism by the people we saw on Wed. as the number 1 terror threat.

No matter how they spin it, BLM, left wing protesters have not attacked the Capitol
Plenty of chatter about further attacks

Look to the Gov of Michigan and how she was targeted for execution

Time to take these people to prison for lengthy sentences

One of my primary immediate concerns is not only investigating, if necessary prosecuting, and hopefully convicting those responsible for the attack..

But also figuring out why police were not in sufficient strength to stop them, and why some of the police appear to have helped them.
And why none of them were arrested at the time, but were instead allowed to leave freely.
Why reinforcements weren't sent sooner.
Among other things
Perhaps there are legitimate reasons for this apparent misconduct on the part of the capitol police, and possibly other organizations.
But I want those reasons investigated and shown.

Because the only thing worse than an attack like what happened 2021.01.06 is an attack where the police are fully on their side.

 

[donsutherland1]

One of my primary immediate concerns is not only investigating, if necessary prosecuting, and hopefully convicting those responsible for the attack..

But also figuring out why police were not in sufficient strength to stop them, and why some of the police appear to have helped them.
And why none of them were arrested at the time, but were instead allowed to leave freely.
Why reinforcements weren't sent sooner.
Among other things
Perhaps there are legitimate reasons for this apparent misconduct on the part of the capitol police, and possibly other organizations.
But I want those reasons investigated and shown.

Because the only thing worse than an attack like what happened 2021.01.06 is an attack where the police are fully on their side.

I don’t believe one can underestimate the importance of the prosecution piece. That applies to President Trump and not just those who stormed the U.S. Capitol.

Over the past 9 months, the U.S. has suffered several significant shocks to its system of government. President Trump’s April calls for mobs to “liberate” a number of states. The plot to kidnap Michigan’s Governor that was revealed in October. The failed coup attempt of January 6.

How the U.S., which has no historic experience in addressing the aftermath of a failed coup, deals with those involved and their core base may have much to do with how the U.S. emerges. One path leads toward a restrengthening of its democratic institutions. One path leads to further challenges to those institutions, further weakening of them with each new shock, and an increased risk of authoritarian reversion. I favor the former course but via a fairly messy path on account of the lack of historic experience for dealing with such events.

Of course, I could be wrong. However, I do have faith that a steadily diversifying population, increasingly tolerant younger population, etc., will prove far more important in the longer-run than the decaying but still dangerous Trumpist movement. That movement has nothing to do with traditional American conservatism. It is nothing more than an illiberal right-wing populist movement. For now, it continues to pose danger. More dangerous days lie ahead leading up to and after President-elect Biden’s inauguration.

 

[Lursa]

I don’t believe one can underestimate the importance of the prosecution piece. That applies to President Trump and not just those who stormed the U.S. Capitol.

Over the past 9 months, the U.S. has suffered several significant shocks to its system of government. President Trump’s April calls for mobs to “liberate” a number of states. The plot to kidnap Michigan’s Governor that was revealed in October. The failed coup attempt of January 6.

How the U.S., which has no historic experience in addressing the aftermath of a failed coup, deals with those involved and their core base may have much to do with how the U.S. emerges. One path leads toward a restrengthening of its democratic institutions. One path leads to further challenges to those institutions, further weakening of them with each new shock, and an increased risk of authoritarian reversion. I favor the former course but via a fairly messy path on account of the lack of historic experience for dealing with such events.

Of course, I could be wrong. However, I do have faith that a steadily diversifying population, increasingly tolerant younger population, etc., will prove far more important in the longer-run than the decaying but still dangerous Trumpist movement. That movement has nothing to do with traditional American conservatism. It is nothing more than an illiberal right-wing populist movement. For now, it continues to pose danger. More dangerous days lie ahead leading up to and after President-elect Biden’s inauguration.

It's unbelievable where we've come to.

Just a week ago, they spoke to one of your points...that the legal system around elections and the presidency were not designed for this. I posted this after watching them discuss The Donald's phone call to GA SoS trying to get him to 'find votes":

Their point being made on CNN Newsroom Live right now:​

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"The Donald isnt even interested in election fraud anymore, he just wants to win and will do anything to do so. Including threats and committing his own fraud.​

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It is very possibly illegal (the substance of the phone call) but their point is that we need to be very aware of what The Donald is doing...that The Donald will go to any lengths to stay in power and that our system is not really prepared to handle such an individual."​

And now look where we are... It seems like they should have stomped on him then, legally, even if just starting actions and investigation. Maybe he would have had the fear of God put in him then, rather than too late on Thurs. 1/7.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

I'm hoping y'all impeach the President. Expose the Biden administration at the very start for the hateful vindictive partisans that they are.

Here's a far more important message they should be reading but they likely won't understand it either. https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/01/twentyfirst_century_rules_for_revolutionaries.html

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Doubtful there ever will be a vote. Biden will be President by the time it ever gets to the Senate. I'm more interested in the arguments and vote in the House.

So you think the impeachment will be voted down in the House? Maybe.

But remember if it passes the House and the Speaker delivers the articles of impeachment to the senate, they have to drop EVERYTHING and have a vote, maybe even a trial.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

I don’t believe one can underestimate the importance of the prosecution piece. That applies to President Trump and not just those who stormed the U.S. Capitol.

Over the past 9 months, the U.S. has suffered several significant shocks to its system of government. President Trump’s April calls for mobs to “liberate” a number of states. The plot to kidnap Michigan’s Governor that was revealed in October. The failed coup attempt of January 6.

How the U.S., which has no historic experience in addressing the aftermath of a failed coup, deals with those involved and their core base may have much to do with how the U.S. emerges. One path leads toward a restrengthening of its democratic institutions. One path leads to further challenges to those institutions, further weakening of them with each new shock, and an increased risk of authoritarian reversion. I favor the former course but via a fairly messy path on account of the lack of historic experience for dealing with such events.

Of course, I could be wrong. However, I do have faith that a steadily diversifying population, increasingly tolerant younger population, etc., will prove far more important in the longer-run than the decaying but still dangerous Trumpist movement. That movement has nothing to do with traditional American conservatism. It is nothing more than an illiberal right-wing populist movement. For now, it continues to pose danger. More dangerous days lie ahead leading up to and after President-elect Biden’s inauguration.

There was no 'attempted coup' against the US President or any part of the US government. The remainder of your post cannot stand when you include such a central flaw. Just repeating this 'coup' and 'insurrection' nonsense does the American people and its political stability no good whatsoever.

Of course that could also be your intention.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

I’m aware impeachment has that effect. I’m saying it’s not clear that it’s possible to impeach someone who isn’t in office.

If the impeachment is initiated (voted on and delivered the senate) before Trump leaves office, the senate has to vote on it before they are allowed to do any other business.

 

[vegas giants]

Nobody expected a "blue wave" except the bogus pollsters. And the idiots who listened to them.

The election fraud was solely directed toward making sure Trump lost. It was a success.

Yeah you lost. House senate and presidency

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

Harris is a younger version of the hildabeast, only with much less scandal, but the same pathological liar traits and propensity to plaguerize. That's why she was a 3 percenter in the democrat party primary.

And yet she could easily become the President of the United States. Who seriously and genuinely believed that Kamala Harris was preferable to Mike Pence?

And why would Biden choose Harris? Her flaws are long and obvious with little to recommend her Because she's a Black woman? She was raised in Montreal with an Indian father and a Jamaican mother. So she can call her self Black but certainly not an "African American", an identity she often assumes but is not even a little bit true.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

What signal would it send?

That the president of the U.S. is above the law. That is the message if Congress does nothing.

 

[dockside]

Nobody expected a "blue wave" except the bogus pollsters. And the idiots who listened to them.

The election fraud was solely directed toward making sure Trump lost. It was a success.

If you took a poll of the Democrats, they would say that if there was any tampering of votes, the votes for McConnell should have been much less and his opponent should have one. It's idiotic to think that if there was going to be vote tampering, it would only have been done to make sure Trump lost. I would have felt much better if the Dems had overwhelmingly taken the Senate and Mitch would have lost. Every bit appealing as just Trump losing.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Let's be serious. If the republicans go along with the democrats to impeach Trump in the last few days of his term, then the Republicans are effectively throwing the party down the tubes. 74 million people voted for Trump and a dumb move like another impeachment will cause a divide that will not heal.

And if they don't 'go along' they will be on record as supporting Trump all the way to the end. And 80 million other Americans will not like that.

 

[bongsaway]

Sure...impeach Trump, then impeach Pence, and then SHE can move into the WH for a few days.

You watch too many conspiracy movies.

 

[bongsaway]

It's a stupid thought from Peolosi - and a waste of time.

The awesome part of that 'plan' is would be that if Trump and Pence were removed, Pelosi would have to resign her current position. She would be at the mercy of the governor of California - if he wanted to reappoint her. He would be under pressure to appoint someone more diverse.

Another idiotic scenario.

 

[JANFU]

One of my primary immediate concerns is not only investigating, if necessary prosecuting, and hopefully convicting those responsible for the attack..

But also figuring out why police were not in sufficient strength to stop them, and why some of the police appear to have helped them.
And why none of them were arrested at the time, but were instead allowed to leave freely.
Why reinforcements weren't sent sooner.
Among other things
Perhaps there are legitimate reasons for this apparent misconduct on the part of the capitol police, and possibly other organizations.
But I want those reasons investigated and shown.

Because the only thing worse than an attack like what happened 2021.01.06 is an attack where the police are fully on their side.

NG is not standing by, it takes time to activate - assign areas of responsibility/legal authorities given. Then they deploy

This was a complete and utter disaster that needs a full investigation of all players, transparent & public testimony before the Senate -House investigation

Charges- ringleaders/enablers who incited charged and if convicted, serious time in prison.

Heads need to roll if there was any political interference - aiding incitement IMHO

Why was the Capitol Building so well protected when BLM protested? Smells bad

The system in place needs to be revised for fast moving events - the only used presently failed

 

[bongsaway]

There's acknowledgment that the trial portion in the Senate will begin after Jan 20th. McConnell will no longer be the head obstructionist.

The house can impeach trump and not send the articles over the senate immediately. My understanding is they will hold them until after biden's first one hundred days.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Where is your evidence.

That will come out in court when the rioters are put on trial. Even if they cop to a plea bargain, they still have to articulate what it was they did and they have to answer the judge's questions truthfully or the judge can reject the plea deal and move forward with trial.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

If you took a poll of the Democrats, they would say that if there was any tampering of votes, the votes for McConnell should have been much less and his opponent should have one. It's idiotic to think that if there was going to be vote tampering, it would only have been done to make sure Trump lost. I would have felt much better if the Dems had overwhelmingly taken the Senate and Mitch would have lost. Every bit appealing as just Trump losing.

That would have solved the problem of any Republican 'obstruction'.

 

[JANFU]

Biden could stop the nonsense today. Period, full stop.



Yup. That is why I'm fully supporting your party's impeachment efforts. Let's put the hatred on full display and let the people decide.

Time to hold Republicans accountable- Passing and delaying gives Republicans time to think it out- gives Biden his nominees and Pandemic relief bills- Infrastructure, CC & other things

 

[Mycroft]

If you took a poll of the Democrats, they would say that if there was any tampering of votes, the votes for McConnell should have been much less and his opponent should have one. It's idiotic to think that if there was going to be vote tampering, it would only have been done to make sure Trump lost. I would have felt much better if the Dems had overwhelmingly taken the Senate and Mitch would have lost. Every bit appealing as just Trump losing.

Nonsense.

The globalists are not going to tamper with the votes of one of their own. The last thing Nancy and her ilk ever wanted to do was piss off Mitch. She'd rather make a deal with him and vice versa.

And yes...the only reason for the election fraud was to make Trump lose.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

And if they don't 'go along' they will be on record as supporting Trump all the way to the end. And 80 million other Americans will not like that.

Only if you believe that 80 million people would actually vote the Biden/Harris ticket.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

Time to hold Republicans accountable- Passing and delaying gives Republicans time to think it out- gives Biden his nominees and Pandemic relief bills- Infrastructure, CC & other things

Yes, the Democrats don't have the time, or interest, to 'think it out'. This is what it has all come to today.

 

[Anthony60]

The pigs did what they did and the world witnessed the disparity.

Storm troopers, she called them, as she encouraged the rioters. "They do what they do". Trump did no such thing. When will she be removed?

 

[babylonrumble]

Then Nancy is just the corrupt politician you need to get it done.

It's the system stupid. I can't bother with partisanshitheads.

 

[babylonrumble]

Yes, the Democrats don't have the time, or interest, to 'think it out'. This is what it has all come to today.

Right. The Reps ran things the past 4 years, but them other guys ...