Payton Gendron's manifesto

[ataraxia]

Part 2:

He believes anyone can be a Jew:



He hates libertarianism, for the same reason Hitler hated Marxism:

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He hates free trade:

His attack was not based on economic ideals. It was based on Tucker Carlson's lies. Now if you want to keep saying Carlson is a leftist, then go ahead.

 

[Fletch]

Nationalism, anti-immigration, a belief that our society is culturally failing because of leftist degenerate social progressivism.

So people who love America, want a sane immigration policy and believe the ideas of the left are bad are prone to mass murder? Do tell.

 

[Jredbaron96]

It's just fascism. Modern day Neo-conservatives and Neo-liberalism both fall under the post-enlightenment umbrella term of Liberalism.

I wouldn't call it that.

Fascism is a very modernist ideology even at its most traditionalist. The kind of thinking expressed in this manifesto has its ideological roots in pre-modernist thinking.

 

[Fletch]

One thing for sure, he did not, as an 18-year-old, come up with all this himself. Either his parents played a large role in his indoctrination, or it was the social media he frequented.

They don't teach this stuff in K-12. Whan I was 18, I was more interest in girls and parties. This kid was off the deep end of the lake. He claims he was influenced by social media. I would bet there are a few humans in his circle that have the same hatred.

No, you dont get it. It was all Tucker Carlsons fault

 

[Jredbaron96]

So people who love America, want a sane immigration policy and believe the ideas of the left are bad are prone to mass murder? Do tell.

No. Just because he's right wing doesn't mean you're kin, anymore than me being left wing makes me a communist.

 

[Fletch]

I wouldn't call it that.

Fascism is a very modernist ideology even at its most traditionalist. The kind of thinking expressed in this manifesto has its ideological roots in pre-modernist thinking.

Would you care to expand on that?

 

[Arlette]

One thing he does like is Green Nationalism:

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The environment is a much greater concern for young people than for people with one leg in the grave already. Everybody I talk to feels betrayed on this subject, especially by the Dems. The GOP didn't promise anything to begin with

 

[Nomad4Ever]

One thing for sure, he did not, as an 18-year-old, come up with all this himself. Either his parents played a large role in his indoctrination, or it was the social media he frequented.

He laid it all out pretty clearly in the manifesto where he was inspired from.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

So people who love America, want a sane immigration policy and believe the ideas of the left are bad are prone to mass murder? Do tell.

Ideologically there is a huge difference to believing we need a "strong border" or merit based immigration and believing every non-White person who makes it across our border is committing genocide by procreating.

Unfortunately, Tucker Carlson uses the later logic, hence why people are blaming him and not someone like Bush.

 

[ataraxia]

So people who love America,

Liberals love America. Having differences of opinion does not mean one side "hates America". Trump told you he had a healthcare plan that was better than Obamacare, was going to cover everyone, and cost less. He had nothing. In the meantime, ask these Trump supporters who hated them more:

want a sane immigration policy

The GOP has been the only party that has stood in the way of solving immigration policy- and for good reason. It's excellent political campaign material. They have no reason to want to fix the problem or have any final resolution for a "sane immigration policy".

and believe the ideas of the left are bad are prone to mass murder? Do tell.

As all the headlines show (and all the intelligence agencies, including Trump's own, keep warning us) the only ideas leading to mass murder these days are coming from the right.

Far-right terror poses bigger threat to US than Islamist extremism post-9/11

Since the 9/11 attack, far-right extremists killed more people in the US than did American-based Islamist fundamentalists

www.theguardian.com

 

[Fletch]

Ideologically there is a huge difference to believing we need a "strong border" or merit based immigration and believing every non-White person who makes it across our border is committing genocide by procreating.

Unfortunately, Tucker Carlson uses the later logic, hence why people are blaming him and not someone like Bush.

Ive never heard Tucker say any such thing. And if this is all Tuckers fault, why are there a million mass murders like happening regularly.

 

[Fletch]

Liberals love America. Having differences of opinion does not mean one side "hates America". Trump told you he had a healthcare plan that was better than Obamacare, was going to cover everyone, and cost less. He had nothing. In the meantime, ask these Trump supporters who hated them more:

Take your Trump obsession elsewhere. This has nothing to do with him

The GOP has been the only party that has stood in the way of solving immigration policy- and for good reason. It's excellent political campaign material. They have no reason to want to fix the problem or have any final resolution for a "sane immigration policy".

How do you figure that??? What immigration policy are republicans blocking. Democrats control the House the Senate and the White House, meaning they are in charge as millions are entering illegally and the presidnet is dong nothing about it.

As all the headlines show (and all the intelligence agencies, including Trump's own, keep warning us) the only ideas leading to mass murder these days are coming from the right.

Far-right terror poses bigger threat to US than Islamist extremism post-9/11

Since the 9/11 attack, far-right extremists killed more people in the US than did American-based Islamist fundamentalists

www.theguardian.com

False. Mass murders happen all the time in black neighborhoods. Why dont you mention them?

 

[Arlette]

Basically he had a gripe with everybody. Didn't fit in anywhere but the very fringe of other-hating on the internet

 

[Bear5131]

One thing for sure, he did not, as an 18-year-old, come up with all this himself. Either his parents played a large role in his indoctrination, or it was the social media he frequented.

They don't teach this stuff in K-12. Whan I was 18, I was more interest in girls and parties. This kid was off the deep end of the lake. He claims he was influenced by social media. I would bet there are a few humans in his circle that have the same hatred.

So every 18 year old was like you huh? Got news for you they were not.

 

[j brown's body]

The environment is a much greater concern for young people than for people with one leg in the grave already. Everybody I talk to feels betrayed on this subject, especially by the Dems. The GOP didn't promise anything to begin with

The GOP promises to gut environmental regulations.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Ive never heard Tucker say any such thing.

And if this is all Tuckers fault, why are there a million mass murders like happening regularly.

I refuse to let our country to get to the point where this is the reality. We have to stop it now. Acting like we have to wait until there is a genocide happening to voice valid criticisms is insane.

 

[OrphanSlug]

I did not think it would take very long for the right to show up and claim this shooting somehow all left wing ideology.

 

[Arlette]

It's just fascism. Modern day Neo-conservatives and Neo-liberalism both fall under the post-enlightenment umbrella term of Liberalism.

Fascism is neoliberalism plus murder

 

[Arlette]

The GOP promises to gut environmental regulations.

A party that denies the existence of global climate change, that's just a non starter

 

[Jredbaron96]

Would you care to expand on that?

Fascism, despite its very vocal appeal towardss traditional values and historical lineage, did not reject the advancements of industrialization and very much embraced the idea of an advanced and modern society boyoued by technological progress and sophistication. Fascism rejected the perceived failures of Enlightenment ideologies like Classical liberalism (which fascists decried as failing to appreciate the significance of nationalist identity) or socialism (which Fascists felt misdirected attention towards the class struggle rather than the national struggle) and thus argued itself as the "third way", but in doing so identified itself as an ideology of a modern people.

The shooters manifesto, like Nazism, is borne out of a belief in the rejection of the advances of modernity, the Enlightenment, and industrialization, believing that all three combined to destroy the traditional way of life of people by subverting them to cold, meaningless machinations and abstract concepts rather than true "blood and soil". The original of this kind of thinking emerged in the likes of monarchists who first opposed the ideals of the Enlightenment as damaging to the natural order of society and their culture.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Fascism is neoliberalism plus murder

Leftists like to say that, but over time I've come to disagree. Neoliberalism, Neoconservatism, and more broadly Liberalism are directly opposed to fascism. Fascism is fundamentally illiberal.

My criticisms of Neoliberalism in regards to fascism are that it is weak to fascism and has no inherent defense against fascist populism.

 

[Fletch]

I refuse to let our country to get to the point where this is the reality. We have to stop it now. Acting like we have to wait until there is a genocide happening to voice valid criticisms is insane.

Your first tweet eliminates the comments by Biden that Tucker was responding to. Did you not include that for some reason? That would give context, no?
Tucker did not claim that migrants were 'commiting genocide by procreating' as you claimed. He claimed demographic change is the key to democrat electoral politics. That just happens to be a fact. The whole left wing plan to turn Texas blue is through changing its racial makeup. Thats not conspiracy theory but what the left is actually admitting they are trying to do.

 

[Arlette]

Fascism, despite its very vocal appeal towardss traditional values and historical lineage, did not reject the advancements of industrialization and very much embraced the idea of an advanced and modern society boyoued by technological progress and sophistication. Fascism rejected the perceived failures of Enlightenment ideologies like Classical liberalism (which fascists decried as failing to appreciate the significance of nationalist identity) or socialism (which Fascists felt misdirected attention towards the class struggle rather than the national struggle) and thus argued itself as the "third way", but in doing so identified itself as an ideology of a modern people.

The shooters manifesto, like Nazism, is borne out of a belief in the rejection of the advances of modernity, the Enlightenment, and industrialization, believing that all three combined to destroy the traditional way of life of people by subverting them to cold, meaningless machinations and abstract concepts rather than true "blood and soil". The original of this kind of thinking emerged in the likes of monarchists who first opposed the ideals of the Enlightenment as damaging to the natural order of society and their culture.

The guy is kinda all over the place. He picked up bits and pieces from the whole spectrum of political philosophy in order to form a cohesive theory. He failed at that but given his age it is no surprise. Clearly he was very racist but maybe he didn't want to drive too far to find a Jewish store

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Tucker did not claim that migrants were 'commiting genocide by procreating' as you claimed. He claimed demographic change is the key to democrat electoral politics.

That is the same thing. He says that we (White people) are being replaced by immigrants. That we (White people) are being replaced culturally and ethnically. That the only way the Democrats can win is by importing people that don't hold our (White) values. That's what he is saying. He's describing in more coded words a cultural and ethnic genocide. A hostile takeover with immigrants as the invaders.

That just happens to be a fact. The whole left wing plan to turn Texas blue is through changing its racial makeup. Thats not conspiracy theory but what the left is actually admitting they are trying to do.

Well if you believe that's happening I'm not surprised you are playing defense for Tucker.

 

[Arlette]

Leftists like to say that, but over time I've come to disagree. Neoliberalism, Neoconservatism, and more broadly Liberalism are directly opposed to fascism. Fascism is fundamentally illiberal.

My criticisms of Neoliberalism in regards to fascism are that it is weak to fascism and has no inherent defense against fascist populism.

Neoliberalism as I understand it is a merger of state and capitalism über alles. It's what we are practicing here and now.