Payton Gendron's manifesto

[uptower]

 

[Indydave]

he chose to slaughter people.

yup.....imo he's nothing more than a mad dog killer and needs to be executed.....

 

[nota bene]

Where did you post that again? (I would not mind reading the whole thing too.)

I went Googling for the manifesto yesterday but didn't find it. I want to at least scroll through too.

 

[aociswundumho]

Except communism requires ownership of the means of production. Who controls it is irrelevant

First of all, the largest socialist enterprise in the world at the time was the state-owned Reichswerke.

Secondly, control and ownership are essentially the same thing. If you own a car, but I decide when you may drive it, where you may drive it, whether or not you may sell it, etc, then you really don't own it after all.

Hitler was smarter than Lenin. Hitler did socialism in a way that didn't include putting a bunch of inexperienced morons in charge of getting things produced.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

If you read they aren't totally opposite they are very similar

Unlike exclusionary or right-wing populism, left-wing populist parties tend to claim to be supportive of minority rights[5] and to an idea of nationality that is not delimited by cultural or ethnic particularisms.

Recurring themes of right-wing populists include neo-nationalism, social conservatism, and economic nationalism.[4] Frequently, they aim to defend a national culture, identity, and economy against perceived attacks by outsiders.

TIL that anti-nationalism inclusionary politics is the same as ethnic nationalism. The more you know.

 

[tres borrachos]

Where did you post that again? (I would not mind reading the whole thing too.)

It was on Scribd this morning. The link seems to be broken now but when it comes back up, here it is.

https://debatepolitics.com/threads/...y-with-it-again.481019/page-5#post-1075927452

 

[Hypothetical]

Good grief, Hitler didn't kill Goebbels.

and he killed rohm, if I remember correctly, because he believed he was a threat to his power, since he was chief of the brownshirts and thought with Rohm alive, it might cause a split of power, which Hitler did not want.

 

[aociswundumho]

I shared the link with @aociswundumho in another thread because he asked to read it and I had the link. I actually read it myself while on a conference call this morning at 3:30 ET. I needed to see the monster's words for myself.

Agreed. It's important to try to understand how they think if we are going to try to prevent things like this from happening in the future.

 

[tres borrachos]

Agreed. It's important to try to understand how they think if we are going to try to prevent things like this from happening in the future.

I'm sure there will be scores of psychiatric experts pouring through that document for years to come. As they should. I agree with you. We can't figure out ways to stop it until we fully understand what started it.

 

[reflechissez]

Agreed. It's important to try to understand how they think if we are going to try to prevent things like this from happening in the future.

What would have prevented this? "How they think" is not a mystery.

 

[aociswundumho]

Fascism rejects a socialist mode of production because they believe that markets and ruthless private competition allows the strong and worthy to rise to the top of society.

That did not exist in Italy under Mussolini. The whole economy was full of cartels - that's what syndicalism is. The purpose of a cartel is too eliminate price competition. On the labor side, Mussolini nationalized the unions, which meant no competition in the labor market either.

 

[Michael Cole]

First of all, the largest socialist enterprise in the world at the time was the state-owned Reichswerke.

Secondly, control and ownership are essentially the same thing. If you own a car, but I decide when you may drive it, where you may drive it, whether or not you may sell it, etc, then you really don't own it after all.

Hitler was smarter than Lenin. Hitler did socialism in a way that didn't include putting a bunch of inexperienced morons in charge of getting things produced.

Smh.

Communism abolishes private property. As long as the means of production are owned privately, it does not matter who controls it. It's really very simple.

Your claim would make our DPA a communist law. Of course, that would be nonsense.

 

[aociswundumho]

Smh.

Communism abolishes private property. As long as the means of production are owned privately, it does not matter who controls it. It's really very simple.
Your claim would make our DPA a communist law. Of course, that would be nonsense.

It's a matter of degree, of course.

For example, there was some capitalism allowed in Russia under Lenin, but no one disagrees that the USSR was socialist.

A government could exercise light control over its economy and the country would still be considered capitalist. But heavy state control is socialist. It produces the exact same outcome as state ownership, because ownership and control are basically the same thing.

 

[Michael Cole]

It's a matter of degree, of course.

For example, there was some capitalism allowed in Russia under Lenin, but no one disagrees that the USSR was socialist.

A government could exercise light control over its economy and the country would still be considered capitalist. But heavy state control is socialist. It produces the exact same outcome as state ownership, because ownership and control are basically the same thing.

Whatever aoc. You're wrong, but that's fine. Not gonna argue basic definitions with ya.

 

[Fletch]

China is a dictatorship, not fascism.

Do you know the difference?

Explain it to me, since you are so wise in the way of politics

 

[Fletch]

Fascism rejects a socialist mode of production because they believe that markets and ruthless private competition allows the strong and worthy to rise to the top of society. However, that is with the caveat that those business must serve the national interest. Specifically they must not be beholden to "foreign" market incentives.

So the difference between the communist and the fascist is that the fascists were smart enough to realize that a corporation runs better under individual control than under direct state control. Allow nominal ownership of industry but demand that any industry work in the interest of the state not the owner. Two sides of the same collectivist coin.

 

[Fletch]

Smh.

Communism abolishes private property. As long as the means of production are owned privately, it does not matter who controls it. It's really very simple.

Your claim would make our DPA a communist law. Of course, that would be nonsense.

Really? So if you own a company but I decide what you make, how it is produced and to whom and at what price you sell your product, isnt it really my company?

 

[Michael Cole]

Really? So if you own a company but I decide what you make, how it is produced and to whom and at what price you sell your product, isnt it really my company?

No it's not your company. My god, y'all have lost your minds.

The CEO runs a company. The stockholders own the company.

Big fail there dude. Don't be so eager to be wrong

 

[jnug]

One thing he does like is Green Nationalism:

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In other words the shooter wants to preserve the environment as long as it is preserved for HIM. His entire manifesto is laced with nods to purity much like an Aryan document from the 1930's which developed a caste system based on purity. The shooter is fine with preserving the environment as long as it is preserved for him. Not him????.....eat shit and die....literally or eat lead....literally.

By the way, people who write or even plagiarize 180 page manifestos are not looking to follow anybody. They are looking to lead.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Which is just another way of saying the state controls the means of production. Mussolini could not have done everything he did without control over the Italian economy.

Like what?

 

[VySky]

I'm curious why they needed a security guard in a supermarket? I don't see that down here in the black areas of TN. Why up north in NY is that needed? Good thing he was there but I'm sure the justification is not anticipation of a white guy driving 100's of miles to shoot up the store.

 

[The AntiDonald]

False. Mass murders happen all the time in black neighborhoods. Why dont you mention them?

Wrong. They are black on black crimes mostly driven by drug turf wars. They are NOT targeted race crimes.

 

[VySky]

Wrong. They are black on black crimes mostly driven by drug turf wars. They are NOT targeted race crimes.

But just like Coivd. If you're dead you're dead. The end result is what matters right?

 

[VySky]

Many White nationalists believe we need to remove immigrants from our country because they are using up resources that should be preserved for their White grandchildren.

That sounds like a lie. I don't know anyone who thinks like that. Hang around better people

 

[Bear5131]

The GOP promises to gut environmental regulations.

The Republican party understands both sides of the issue, the financial costs vs. The environmental cost and weighes each other accordingly


The democrats party only understands the environmental side, and wants us to run around half naked, live in mud huts and hunt Buffalo.