Payton Gendron's manifesto

[Nomad4Ever]

Neoliberalism as I understand it is a merger of state and capitalism über alles. It's what we are practicing here and now.

Yes, but Fascism is more complicated than that and additionally has a much stronger connection between private enterprises, capital, and state interests. Think more like China, for example. Under Fascism capital is subordinate to the interests of the state.

 

[ataraxia]

Take your Trump obsession elsewhere. This has nothing to do with him

Unless you want to say Trump is a liberal too and you don't like him, this is what you want.

How do you figure that??? What immigration policy are republicans blocking. Democrats control the House the Senate and the White House, meaning they are in charge as millions are entering illegally and the presidnet is dong nothing about it.

Having a dysfunctional immigration policy is very valuable to the GOP every election season. Why would they want to fix it?

In A Blow To Democrats, Senate Official Blocks Immigration Reform In Budget Bill

The Senate parliamentarian said including a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants was beyond the scope of the process Democrats are using to pass key legislation without GOP votes.

www.npr.org

False. Mass murders happen all the time in black neighborhoods. Why dont you mention them?

Domestic terrorism in the US today is primarily a right wing issue.

 

[lurchadams]

About an hour ago, @tres borrachos was kind enough to post a link to this document. It reminded me of Mein Kampf, with its endless 'Jews are evil' and 'whites are wonderful' nonsense. Much of the document is a about guns and body armor, and no one can say the kid didn't do his homework regarding his weapons and gear. Anyway, I thought I would post some parts of it for possible discussion.

On conservatism:



On leftists:

Trump and the right did so much to foment division and racial hated. This is the result.

 

[aociswundumho]

It's just fascism. Modern day Neo-conservatives and Neo-liberalism both fall under the post-enlightenment umbrella term of Liberalism.

No, the closest is Nazism.

There is no racial element inherent in fascism. There were thousands of Jews in the PNF in Italy. One of Mussolini's mistresses was a Jew.

Or again, antisemitism is supposed to be one of the distinguishing marks of Fascism; but some Fascist movements are not antisemitic.

George Orwell: What is Fascism?

What is Fascism?, the column #8216;As I Please’ of George Orwell. First published: 1944 by/in Tribune, GB, London

www.orwell.ru

 

[Nomad4Ever]

No, the closest is Nazism.

Nazism is a subset of fascism.

 

[aociswundumho]

Trump and the right did so much to foment division and racial hated. This is the result.

Yes, of course, it's Trump's fault.

 

[lurchadams]

Yes, of course, it's Trump's fault.

Yep. And those, such as you and your MAGA buddies who let him go unchecked.

 

[aociswundumho]

Nazism is a subset of fascism.

Actually they are both variations of socialism, but I'm pretty sure you're not going to agree with that. :^)

 

[ataraxia]

Yes, of course, it's Trump's fault.

It's hard to know if he is the disease or the symptom. It's a chicken and egg problem. Probably a little bit of both.

But I suspect Trumpism will continue even without Trump. Just look at DeSantis: he is trying his darndest to be as contrary, provocative, hate-and fear- inducing, as he possibly can. And he is becoming a favorite for 2024. That's what gets these folks' votes. As long as they keep rewarding this kind of hate and fear, the politicians will keep feeding it. It becomes a vicious cycle- and the result is... well, you can see for yourself.

DHS draft document: White supremacists are greatest terror threat

The documents are slightly different drafts of the same annual threat assessment, which is not yet published.

www.politico.com

 

[Fletch]

That is the same thing. He says that we (White people) are being replaced by immigrants. That we (White people) are being replaced culturally and ethnically. That the only way the Democrats can win is by importing people that don't hold our (White) values. That's what he is saying. He's describing in more coded words a cultural and ethnic genocide. A hostile takeover with immigrants as the invaders.

No, he is describing what people on the left has said is their goal.

Well if you believe that's happening I'm not surprised you are playing defense for Tucker.

I am defending Tucker against hackish and dishonest attacks. There is zero evidence that this shooter was motivated by anything Tucker said or that he watched the show or even knows who he is. The omments Tucker has made on the issue are directly related to the immigration policy of the left in general and the Biden administration in particular. Nothing he has said would lead anyone to go into a store in Buffalo and shoot black people.

 

[ataraxia]

Actually they are both variations of socialism, but I'm pretty sure you're not going to agree with that. :^)

Early on, there were Nazis who thought the party was really about socialism. Hitler killed them.

"Röhm, Gregor Strasser and Joseph Goebbels represented the urban, socialist, revolutionary trend".

Ernst Röhm

A detailed biography of Ernst Röhm that includes images, quotations and the main facts of his life. Key Stage 3. GCSE British History. A-level. Last updated: 2nd July 2022

spartacus-educational.com

 

[Fletch]

Yes, but Fascism is more complicated than that and additionally has a much stronger connection between private enterprises, capital, and state interests. Think more like China, for example. Under Fascism capital is subordinate to the interests of the state.

Amazing how China made such a seamless transition from Communism to fascism. Almost like the two are different sides of the same collectivist coin.

 

[ataraxia]

Amazing how China made such a seamless transition from Communism to fascism. Almost like the two are different sides of the same collectivist coin.

China is a dictatorship, not fascism.

Do you know the difference?

 

[Rexedgar]

He doesn't write like an 18 year old, does he?

That was the first thought I had when looking over the text.

 

[tres borrachos]

That was the first thought I had when looking over the text.

I think @Jredbaron96 nailed it. He copied his manifesto from the lunatic right wing "these people of color are taking over" sites he visited.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Why is anyone broadcasting this evil nutter's agenda. Who gives a shit who or what he stands for? They must be eradicated, not applauded of supported.

 

[aociswundumho]

Yes, but Fascism is more complicated than that and additionally has a much stronger connection between private enterprises, capital, and state interests. Think more like China, for example. Under Fascism capital is subordinate to the interests of the state.

Which is just another way of saying the state controls the means of production. Mussolini could not have done everything he did without control over the Italian economy.

 

[Simpletruther]

I did not think it would take very long for the right to show up and claim this shooting somehow all left wing ideology.

Sorry but its mostly the opposite happening

The right is on the whole being more reasonable in their take. He was a mixed bag. This is being reasonable dispute.

 

[Michael Cole]

So every 18 year old was like you huh? Got news for you they were not.

Agreed. Only the sane ones were like him.

 

[Michael Cole]

Which is just another way of saying the state controls the means of production. Mussolini could not have done everything he did without control over the Italian economy.

Except communism requires ownership of the means of production. Who controls it is irrelevant

 

[aociswundumho]

Early on, there were Nazis who thought the party was really about socialism. Hitler killed them.

"Röhm, Gregor Strasser and Joseph Goebbels represented the urban, socialist, revolutionary trend".

Ernst Röhm

A detailed biography of Ernst Röhm that includes images, quotations and the main facts of his life. Key Stage 3. GCSE British History. A-level. Last updated: 2nd July 2022

spartacus-educational.com

Good grief, Hitler didn't kill Goebbels.

 

[tres borrachos]

Why is anyone broadcasting this evil nutter's agenda. Who gives a shit who or what he stands for? They must be eradicated, not applauded of supported.

I shared the link with @aociswundumho in another thread because he asked to read it and I had the link. I actually read it myself while on a conference call this morning at 3:30 ET. I needed to see the monster's words for myself.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Which is just another way of saying the state controls the means of production. Mussolini could not have done everything he did without control over the Italian economy.

Fascism rejects a socialist mode of production because they believe that markets and ruthless private competition allows the strong and worthy to rise to the top of society. However, that is with the caveat that those business must serve the national interest. Specifically they must not be beholden to "foreign" market incentives.

 

[OrphanSlug]

I shared the link with @aociswundumho in another thread because he asked to read it and I had the link. I actually read it myself while on a conference call this morning at 3:30 ET. I needed to see the monster's words for myself.

Where did you post that again? (I would not mind reading the whole thing too.)

 

[Crovax]

It's is almost like they both describe populism...with the key difference being totally opposite political prescriptions.

If you read they aren't totally opposite they are very similar