Paul Ryan Booed At Town Hall For Defending Tax Breaks For The Wealthy

[Conservative]

We know what you believe Conservative. You have made that very clear. You are welcome to your beliefs. You have a right to your beliefs. I will defend you right to your beliefs.

I expect that every other progressive and centerist here would join me in those declarations.

Now that we have dispensed with that, could we please get back to what you have been maintaining over and over and over again in thread after thread after thread: that these programs which you hate and despise from "making people dependent' are the sole fault of liberals and no other politician of any other ideological stripe supported them at all?

Tell us about some of these programs, how they got passed, who voted for them the first time, and who has voted for their continuation every time since then.

That is what we all want to see from you.

Either support your claims with actual historical evidence of have the common decency to drop your ideological rants which have no support in reality.

Great Society, War on Drugs, New Deal all are programs that belong in the states, not the Federal Govt. All I see from you is a typical liberal political figure who talks of compassion but never offers any, just dependence so you can keep your job.

 

[Conservative]

I teach both traditional and non-traditional students. I also have created more opportunities for those laid to access needed courses. And at no time have I ever said I hate rich folk or don't teach them. It is really you and your side pushing class warfare. :coffeepap

LOL, yeah, right, it is those evil Conservatives pushing raising taxes on the rich and claiming that the rich don't pay their fair share. You are the one out of touch with reality.

 

[Blue Dog]

So you just proved, again, that you make baseless, empty claims. You can't back them up with evidence so you try to change the conversation. What programs created SOLELY by Democrats cause dependence? You make the claim, back it up.

Do you mean as a bill in Congress that support was completely party line? No, I'am not trying to be sarcastic.

 

[haymarket]

You want to dodge the questions then so be it. All you are doing is trolling. The entire Great Society and New Deal was created by Democrats or didn't you learn that in school. All should be state, not federal responsibilities. You want to pick a fight, do so somewhere is.

Whoah there. Not so fast, not so fast.You paint with a very broad brush that leaves us with sweeping generalizations with no specifics of which to examine. Lets try to avoid that shall we.

1 - Name a program which is your target for being that of liberals making people dependent. sorry - but the Great Society is a name for a entire series of individual programs and they must be examined individually. Same for the New Deal.
2- give us the history if its passage
3- identify the liberals who supported it
4- identify people other than liberals who supported it
5- show how it made people dependent (whatever that may mean and perhaps you should tell us what that means why you are at it)
6- if it was more than a one-shot one year program, tell us how it was funded in subsequent years
7- indentify the liberals who funded it
8- identify people other than liberals who funded it

If you can do all that, and prove that it was liberals and only liberals who are in support of these programs, then you have the proof to back up your statements.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

You want to dodge the questions then so be it. All you are doing is trolling. The entire Great Society and New Deal was created by Democrats or didn't you learn that in school. All should be state, not federal responsibilities. You want to pick a fight, do so somewhere is.

1. Wow, you actually answered the question. 2. I don't have to answer your questions because I didn't make any claims. Yay!

 

[ThePlayDrive]

Do you mean as a bill in Congress that support was completely party line? No, I'am not trying to be sarcastic.

Yeah. That's what I mean.

 

[Boo Radley]

LOL, yeah, right, it is those evil Conservatives pushing raising taxes on the rich and claiming that the rich don't pay their fair share. You are the one out of touch with reality.

No, you're pushing having the weatly get breaks and the poor carry the blunt of the hardship.

 

[Conservative]

No, you're pushing having the weatly get breaks and the poor carry the blunt of the hardship.

The Wealthy get no breaks that the poor and middle class wouldn't get if they were wealthy and you truly helped them learn how to fish.

 

[Conservative]

Whoah there. Not so fast, not so fast.You paint with a very broad brush that leaves us with sweeping generalizations with no specifics of which to examine. Lets try to avoid that shall we.

1 - Name a program which is your target for being that of liberals making people dependent. sorry - but the Great Society is a name for a entire series of individual programs and they must be examined individually. Same for the New Deal.
2- give us the history if its passage
3- identify the liberals who supported it
4- identify people other than liberals who supported it
5- show how it made people dependent (whatever that may mean and perhaps you should tell us what that means why you are at it)
6- if it was more than a one-shot one year program, tell us how it was funded in subsequent years
7- indentify the liberals who funded it
8- identify people other than liberals who funded it

If you can do all that, and prove that it was liberals and only liberals who are in support of these programs, then you have the proof to back up your statements.

Right, the whole series of programs need to be reviewed and discontinued. I cannot believe how naive you are for someone your age. I am sure you have a good heart but very naive with you runderstanding of personal behavior. Results never matter to you as it is all about compassionate rhetoric. If your state wants those programs pay for them yourself and stop having taxpayers from other states doing it.

 

[Boo Radley]

The Wealthy get no breaks that the poor and middle class wouldn't get if they were wealthy and you truly helped them learn how to fish.

So, you agree they get breaks. Good. So how does burdening the working person help them achieve? Again, we ahve a shrinking middle class. Benefits are given to the wealthy, and you just accepted that, with burdens placed on the working and the poor. See YOUR class warfare yet?

 

[Conservative]

So, you agree they get breaks. Good. So how does burdening the working person help them achieve? Again, we ahve a shrinking middle class. Benefits are given to the wealthy, and you just accepted that, with burdens placed on the working and the poor. See YOUR class warfare yet?

They get breaks mostly for taking risk and investing their own money something liberals don't seem to understand. What are you going to help people get to the level that they too can benefit from those breaks? Nice try at turning my statement around. Any break that the rich get came from those Congressional Representatives that you always said you cared about. Remember we can vote these people out whenver we want, right?

 

[Boo Radley]

They get breaks mostly for taking risk and investing their own money something liberals don't seem to understand. What are you going to help people get to the level that they too can benefit from those breaks? Nice try at turning my statement around. Any break that the rich get came from those Congressional Representatives that you always said you cared about. Remember we can vote these people out whenver we want, right?

No, they don't. They take money for jobs programs and then lay people off. They get money for golf balls. They take our tax dollars and give next to nothing in return. But you don't get outraged. but let a working man gain a profit in collective barganing, and you flip out. YOUR class warfare.

 

[Conservative]

No, they don't. They take money for jobs programs and then lay people off. They get money for golf balls. They take our tax dollars and give next to nothing in return. But you don't get outraged. but let a working man gain a profit in collective barganing, and you flip out. YOUR class warfare.

Generalizing is what you do best. You don't know what all businesses do and you certainly don't know me. Most are good people who create jobs, contribute to charities, and support the community. You really are misguided and very naive.

 

[haymarket]

Right, the whole series of programs need to be reviewed and discontinued. I cannot believe how naive you are for someone your age. I am sure you have a good heart but very naive with you runderstanding of personal behavior. Results never matter to you as it is all about compassionate rhetoric. If your state wants those programs pay for them yourself and stop having taxpayers from other states doing it.

Your reply had nothing to do with my post.

We are all still awaiting your proof that the programs which you despise for "making people dependent" are the sole responsibility of "liberals".

1 - Name a program which is your target for being that of liberals making people dependent. sorry - but the Great Society is a name for a entire series of individual programs and they must be examined individually. Same for the New Deal.
2- give us the history if its passage
3- identify the liberals who supported it
4- identify people other than liberals who supported it
5- show how it made people dependent (whatever that may mean and perhaps you should tell us what that means why you are at it)
6- if it was more than a one-shot one year program, tell us how it was funded in subsequent years
7- indentify the liberals who funded it
8- identify people other than liberals who funded it

If you can do all that, and prove that it was liberals and only liberals who are in support of these programs, then you have the proof to back up your statements.

 

[Conservative]

Your reply had nothing to do with my post.

We are all still awaiting your proof that the programs which you despise for "making people dependent" are the sole responsibility of "liberals".

1 - Name a program which is your target for being that of liberals making people dependent. sorry - but the Great Society is a name for a entire series of individual programs and they must be examined individually. Same for the New Deal.
2- give us the history if its passage
3- identify the liberals who supported it
4- identify people other than liberals who supported it
5- show how it made people dependent (whatever that may mean and perhaps you should tell us what that means why you are at it)
6- if it was more than a one-shot one year program, tell us how it was funded in subsequent years
7- indentify the liberals who funded it
8- identify people other than liberals who funded it

If you can do all that, and prove that it was liberals and only liberals who are in support of these programs, then you have the proof to back up your statements.

You make no points, you want to pontificate and enter into a big discussion that I am not going to participate. You are naive, gullible, and a very misinformed individual who will learn the errors of your way later or maybe not as you will continue to blamme others for your own or other's failures. You have a distorted view of liberalism which is a failure all over the country yet that doesn't resonate with you. I are going to have a long wait and this isn't the forum for what you want. Would love to sit down with you and exchange real life experiences and destroy your argument in person, not going to waste my time here. Needless to say I will put my 35 years experience in the real world against yours any day. Your distorted view of the work place blames everyone else but the employees for their own failures. Your class warfare and envy says a lot about you and just shows how jealous you really are for what someone else has. I do feel sorry for you and people like you to a point, but not the way you are destroying your own state. Detroit is a perfect example of how successful liberalism is. It is time for adults to take charge and for people like you to get out of the way.

 

[haymarket]

Of course you have decided "not to waste" your time here. For at least the second time in a month, you have allowed your personal belief system to write checks that your abilities are unable to cash. You simply CANNOT find any actual historical and factual support for your absurd claim that all the programs you hate are the fault of liberals and no one else but them in order to make people dependent. You cannot do it.

Conservative - this is the exact same thing you did in the other thread with your absurd claim that the idea behind the Progressive Income tax is to keep people dependent and give me a job.

For two weeks others as well as myself kept challenging you to produce the historical data necessary to validate your allegations. You could not do it. You kept insisting you were right when you could offer no evidence you were right. You kept trying to dodge and weave and distract so you would not have to answer the challenge and were unable to answer the challenge.

And now you are doing it again here.

Perhaps the first time you just made an error in judgment. But twice in just three weeks, and now its a proven pattern of your style and tactics.

You continue to attack me. You continue to attack my job, my previous career, my intelligence, and my ability to see what you think is reality.

Fine. You want to make me a target, go ahead and fire away. That is your style. But people on this board are witnessing this and our previous episode as well as other confrontations which you have with other posters.
You have lost any credibility you might have once had.

Please, stop the attacks and back up your statements so we can move on.

 

[Conservative]

Of course you have decided "not to waste" your time here. For at least the second time in a month, you have allowed your personal belief system to write checks that your abilities are unable to cash. You simply CANNOT find any actual historical and factual support for your absurd claim that all the programs you hate are the fault of liberals and no one else but them in order to make people dependent. You cannot do it.

Conservative - this is the exact same thing you did in the other thread with your absurd claim that the idea behind the Progressive Income tax is to keep people dependent and give me a job.

For two weeks others as well as myself kept challenging you to produce the historical data necessary to validate your allegations. You could not do it. You kept insisting you were right when you could offer no evidence you were right. You kept trying to dodge and weave and distract so you would not have to answer the challenge and were unable to answer the challenge.

And now you are doing it again here.

Perhaps the first time you just made an error in judgment. But twice in just three weeks, and now its a proven pattern of your style and tactics.

You continue to attack me. You continue to attack my job, my previous career, my intelligence, and my ability to see what you think is reality.

Fine. You want to make me a target, go ahead and fire away. That is your style. But people on this board are witnessing this and our previous episode as well as other confrontations which you have with other posters.
You have lost any credibility you might have once had.

Please, stop the attacks and back up your statements so we can move on.

Is this the way you represent your constituents in Michigan? No, wonder the state is a disaster. You might as well move on because this is neither the time or place to discuss the issues you raised. If you want to get back to the Ryan budget let me know. If not, it serves no purpose to continue this with you. I am not going anywhere just have no reason to respond to your off topic post.

 

[haymarket]

Is this the way you represent your constituents in Michigan? No, wonder the state is a disaster. You might as well move on because this is neither the time or place to discuss the issues you raised. If you want to get back to the Ryan budget let me know. If not, it serves no purpose to continue this with you. I am not going anywhere just have no reason to respond to your off topic post.

Why do you insist on continuing these personal attacks on me and my job instead of backing up your own allegations that liberals programs keep people dependent?

Again another tried and tested tactic of yours comes to the fore: you make a statement in a thread, you get pinned in a corner when you fail to support it, you try to play all macho and "I stand behind my statement", and then you just did again what you have done before............ claim this discussion STARTED BY YOU is off topic and should be stopped.

You are like the murderer of their own parents who asks the court for mercy because they are an orphan. This corner you have painted yourself into is of your own creation from your own statements. Nobody forced you to say it and you said it right here in this very thread and now you claim that it is off topic when you yourself introduced it repeatedly.

Allow me to help

1 - Name a program which is your target for being that of liberals making people dependent. sorry - but the Great Society is a name for a entire series of individual programs and they must be examined individually. Same for the New Deal.
2- give us the history if its passage
3- identify the liberals who supported it
4- identify people other than liberals who supported it
5- show how it made people dependent (whatever that may mean and perhaps you should tell us what that means why you are at it)
6- if it was more than a one-shot one year program, tell us how it was funded in subsequent years
7- indentify the liberals who funded it
8- identify people other than liberals who funded it

If you can do all that, and prove that it was liberals and only liberals who are in support of these programs, then you have the proof to back up your statements.

 

[Conservative]

Why do you insist on continuing these personal attacks on me and my job instead of backing up your own allegations that liberals programs keep people dependent?

Again another tried and tested tactic of yours comes to the fore: you make a statement in a thread, you get pinned in a corner when you fail to support it, you try to play all macho and "I stand behind my statement", and then you just did again what you have done before............ claim this discussion STARTED BY YOU is off topic and should be stopped.

You are like the murderer of their own parents who asks the court for mercy because they are an orphan. This corner you have painted yourself into is of your own creation from your own statements. Nobody forced you to say it and you said it right here in this very thread and now you claim that it is off topic when you yourself introduced it repeatedly.

Allow me to help

1 - Name a program which is your target for being that of liberals making people dependent. sorry - but the Great Society is a name for a entire series of individual programs and they must be examined individually. Same for the New Deal.
2- give us the history if its passage
3- identify the liberals who supported it
4- identify people other than liberals who supported it
5- show how it made people dependent (whatever that may mean and perhaps you should tell us what that means why you are at it)
6- if it was more than a one-shot one year program, tell us how it was funded in subsequent years
7- indentify the liberals who funded it
8- identify people other than liberals who funded it

If you can do all that, and prove that it was liberals and only liberals who are in support of these programs, then you have the proof to back up your statements.

First of all this isn't a college class and you are in no position ot demand anything. From what I can see from you, please keep your current job as I want you nowhere near our kids. Please continue to do your part destroying the state of Michigan and stay away from our kids whose minds are mush. You have a serious problem and fit right in with politicians.

 

[randel]

Is this the way you represent your constituents in Michigan? No, wonder the state is a disaster. You might as well move on because this is neither the time or place to discuss the issues you raised. If you want to get back to the Ryan budget let me know. If not, it serves no purpose to continue this with you. I am not going anywhere just have no reason to respond to your off topic post.

this has nothing to do with 'constituents', and everything to do with how you make statements, push them as 'truth', and then refuse to provide documentation, links, ect...to back up these statements...you have shown a pattern, when called on something, when backed into a corner, you run...you divert, start up with the personal attacks, anything to avoid actually addressing with any factual proof the statements you have made...now you are not going to 'waste your time'? lol just for once, back up something you have said. that is all anyone is asking of you.

 

[Conservative]

this has nothing to do with 'constituents', and everything to do with how you make statements, push them as 'truth', and then refuse to provide documentation, links, ect...to back up these statements...you have shown a pattern, when called on something, when backed into a corner, you run...you divert, start up with the personal attacks, anything to avoid actually addressing with any factual proof the statements you have made...now you are not going to 'waste your time'? lol just for once, back up something you have said. that is all anyone is asking of you.

Look, why don't all you liberals get a room as you all ignore the actual results. We are in debt over 14.3 trillion dollars and if you bothered to check the results most of it is due to programs like the Great Society and New Deal which spent trillions of federal tax dollars to solve individual social problems. This country is bankrupt but you and your ilk don't get it and never will. Liberalism has destroyed Detroit and much of Michigan. It has destroyed Illinois, tried to destroy my home state of Ohio and the best you and your liberal cohorts can do is cheerlead each other. Results don't matter to you people and we are paying for your ideology.

 

[randel]

Look, why don't all you liberals get a room as you all ignore the actual results. We are in debt over 14.3 trillion dollars and if you bothered to check the results most of it is due to programs like the Great Society and New Deal which spent trillions of federal tax dollars to solve individual social problems. This country is bankrupt but you and your ilk don't get it and never will. Liberalism has destroyed Detroit and much of Michigan. It has destroyed Illinois, tried to destroy my home state of Ohio and the best you and your liberal cohorts can do is cheerlead each other. Results don't matter to you people and we are paying for your ideology.

i believe you have been asked if conservatives have had anything to do with all these 'social programs' you rail against..don't believe you answered, save to start with the 'blah blah blah liberal blah blah personal attack blah blah blah divert blah blah blah..' answer the question, quit diverting

 

[Conservative]

i believe you have been asked if conservatives have had anything to do with all these 'social programs' you rail against..don't believe you answered, save to start with the 'blah blah blah liberal blah blah personal attack blah blah blah divert blah blah blah..' answer the question, quit diverting

Another thread and the same old cheerleading from you. Are you ever going to offer anything specific to the thread topic or simply pile on with other liberals sharing their ignorance.

 

[pbrauer]

Look, why don't all you liberals get a room as you all ignore the actual results. We are in debt over 14.3 trillion dollars and if you bothered to check the results most of it is due to programs like the Great Society and New Deal which spent trillions of federal tax dollars to solve individual social problems. This country is bankrupt but you and your ilk don't get it and never will. Liberalism has destroyed Detroit and much of Michigan. It has destroyed Illinois, tried to destroy my home state of Ohio and the best you and your liberal cohorts can do is cheerlead each other. Results don't matter to you people and we are paying for your ideology.

One thing you can expect from conservatives, they will blame liberals for what they have done, it doesn't matter what issue it is.

The current downturn as well as many others like the Great Depression are the result of conservative/libertarian ideologies. The income tax rate when the stock market crashed in 1929 was 24%. Low tax rates cause speculation and an unstable economy.

 

[Donc]

Why do you insist on continuing these personal attacks on me and my job instead of backing up your own allegations that liberals programs keep people dependent?

Again another tried and tested tactic of yours comes to the fore: you make a statement in a thread, you get pinned in a corner when you fail to support it, you try to play all macho and "I stand behind my statement", and then you just did again what you have done before............ claim this discussion STARTED BY YOU is off topic and should be stopped.

You are like the murderer of their own parents who asks the court for mercy because they are an orphan. This corner you have painted yourself into is of your own creation from your own statements. Nobody forced you to say it and you said it right here in this very thread and now you claim that it is off topic when you yourself introduced it repeatedly.

Allow me to help

1 - Name a program which is your target for being that of liberals making people dependent. sorry - but the Great Society is a name for a entire series of individual programs and they must be examined individually. Same for the New Deal.
2- give us the history if its passage
3- identify the liberals who supported it
4- identify people other than liberals who supported it
5- show how it made people dependent (whatever that may mean and perhaps you should tell us what that means why you are at it)
6- if it was more than a one-shot one year program, tell us how it was funded in subsequent years
7- indentify the liberals who funded it
8- identify people other than liberals who funded it

If you can do all that, and prove that it was liberals and only liberals who are in support of these programs, then you have the proof to back up your statements.

This part from the king of derailing a thread was a real hoot.( If you want to get back to the Ryan budget let me know. If not, it serves no purpose to continue this with you.) :lamo