Paternal 'abortion'

[Libertas-Mors]

Should males who do NOT want the woman to have the child be able to 'abort' their responsibility to be the parent without negative financial repercussions? Should they have at least 2 trimesters to make this decision?

I am pro-life btw, just curious what people's opinions are on the matter.

 

[sangha]

Should males who do NOT want the woman to have the child be able to 'abort' their responsibility to be the parent without negative financial repercussions? Should they have at least 2 trimesters to make this decision?

I am pro-life btw, just curious what people's opinions are on the matter.

Yes

It's called a vasectomy

 

[joko104]

Should males who do NOT want the woman to have the child be able to 'abort' their responsibility to be the parent without negative financial repercussions? Should they have at least 2 trimesters to make this decision?

I am pro-life btw, just curious what people's opinions are on the matter.

No, neither mother nor father should have ANY right whatsoever to not 100% meet all financial, ethical, parental and time obligations to any child they bio-parent. I equally do not believe any woman can post-birth "abort" a child by throwing/giving/walking away from the child - something many pro-lifers urge women to do after having an unwanted child.

NO BIO-PARENT EVER can abandon parental responsibility. That should be very harsh, strict law on both bio-parents.

However, just like men can have sympathy labor pains, men also are fully entitled to faux abortions too. See - that's fair.

 

[Libertas-Mors]

Yes

It's called a vasectomy

Much like the woman, the birth of a child may cause the man far too many psychological burdens, especially the financial responsibility. Seems fair for him to be able to opt out if he put it in writing during the pregnancy that he didn't want to have the child.

Starting to sound like a double standard...

 

[sangha]

Much like the woman, the birth of a child may cause the man far too many psychological burdens, especially the financial responsibility. Seems fair for him to be able to opt out if he put it in writing during the pregnancy that he didn't want to have the child.

Starting to sound like a double standard...

Yes, Mother Nature is a real sneak

Imagine the nerve in not letting men know the consequences of having sex with a woman.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Should males who do NOT want the woman to have the child be able to 'abort' their responsibility to be the parent without negative financial repercussions? Should they have at least 2 trimesters to make this decision?

I am pro-life btw, just curious what people's opinions are on the matter.

They should be able to end their parental rights - of course.

But by using the term 'abort' you're implying that they should have the right to end the physical state of a pregnant individual and make decisions regarding hteir physical health.

Nope. Not unless that individual has GIVEN the right to make that decision to the OTHER individual in some fashion.

If people truly can't grasp that a pregnant woman must undergo PHYSICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL changes to see that a pregnancy/birth is even possible - and that it's important that she maintain autonomy in regard to her HEALTH in order to do so - then they need to go back to grade school.

 

[MaggieD]

Should males who do NOT want the woman to have the child be able to 'abort' their responsibility to be the parent without negative financial repercussions? Should they have at least 2 trimesters to make this decision?

I am pro-life btw, just curious what people's opinions are on the matter.

Absolutely positively not.

 

[joko104]

Much like the woman, the birth of a child may cause the man far too many psychological burdens, especially the financial responsibility. Seems fair for him to be able to opt out if he put it in writing during the pregnancy that he didn't want to have the child.

Starting to sound like a double standard...

No its not. A man is never pregnant. Therefore, there is no comparison. The "double standard" is a man can't die from a pregnancy, a woman can. Its a rotten deal for the woman, not you.

You just want your cake and to eat it too, that's all. You want to the woman to go thru the pregnancy, risk her life, endure it all - but YOU want total control. You want her to take all the risks and you to get all the benefits as you want them all at her expense - for which you go on now to say to make it even MORE favorable to you then you should be able to let a born child you bio-fathered starve to death. You notion of "double standard" in your messages in this thread - all to your benefit and all at the bio-mother's and child's expense - is as creepy and immoral as it gets.

 

[Mathematician]

Should males who do NOT want the woman to have the child be able to 'abort' their responsibility to be the parent without negative financial repercussions? Should they have at least 2 trimesters to make this decision?

I am pro-life btw, just curious what people's opinions are on the matter.

No excuse for irresponsibility.

 

[sangha]

There's no double standard. A man is just as free to have an abortion as any woman is.

 

[joko104]

They should be able to end their parental rights - of course.

But by using the term 'abort' you're implying that they should have the right to end the physical state of a pregnant individual and make decisions regarding hteir physical health.

Nope. Not unless that individual has GIVEN the right to make that decision to the OTHER individual in some fashion.

The reason I disagree with you is that you seem to see it as only a matter between the parents. In my opinion, exactly everything 100% changes 180 degrees if/when a baby is born. Then everything about the 2 bio-parents is secondary to the best interests of the child.

Candidly, by comparison I don't care if that is unfair as hell to either or both of them between them. THEY are going to take care of THEIR kid, not dump it on everyone else NOR make that baby pay for either or both of them being stupid, wreckless, or petty.

 

[Libertas-Mors]

They should be able to end their parental rights - of course.

But by using the term 'abort' you're implying that they should have the right to end the physical state of a pregnant individual and make decisions regarding hteir physical health.

Nope. Not unless that individual has GIVEN the right to make that decision to the OTHER individual in some fashion.

If people truly can't grasp that a pregnant woman must undergo PHYSICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL changes to see that a pregnancy/birth is even possible - and that it's important that she maintain autonomy in regard to her HEALTH in order to do so - then they need to go back to grade school.

Mmm....I see the confusion. It's a term that is growing in popularity in the social sciences and it means to terminate all responsibility of parenthood rather than rights to the actual life of the child in the womb.

 

[Libertas-Mors]

There's no double standard. A man is just as free to have an abortion as any woman is.

The potential double standard would be the woman's ability and,'indeed, "right" to abort the child and remove all parental responsibility but the man has no equivalent of fully removing the 'burden' of parenthood.

 

[Libertas-Mors]

Yes, Mother Nature is a real sneak

Imagine the nerve in not letting men know the consequences of having sex with a woman.

Or, conversely, a woman not knowing that sex can lead to pregnancy. The insanity of it all, eh?

 

[joko104]

Mmm....I see the confusion. It's a term that is growing in popularity in the social sciences and it means to terminate all responsibility of parenthood rather than rights to the actual life of the child in the womb.

You just said the difference, didn't you? "The responsibility of parenthood." The man has NONE while the woman is pregnant, does he? When that child is born, "the responsibility of parenthood" should land on both bio-parents like a brick covered in super glue. When the child is born is when "parental" responsibility begins. Equally and totally.

 

[sangha]

The potential double standard would be the woman's ability and,'indeed, "right" to abort the child and remove all parental responsibility but the man has no equivalent of fully removing the 'burden' of parenthood.

A man can end any pregnancy of his, just as a woman can. There's no double standard

 

[Libertas-Mors]

You just said the difference, didn't you? "The responsibility of parenthood." The man has NONE while the woman is pregnant, does he? When that child is born, "the responsibility of parenthood" should land on both bio-parents like a brick covered in super glue. When the child is born is when "parental" responsibility begins. Equally and totally.

Right but the man has no say in whether the child will be born even if he doesn't want it to be. Equality, the 'inhuman' creature in the womb shouldn't have control over the man and neither should the woman. Amirite?

 

[sangha]

Or, conversely, a woman not knowing that sex can lead to pregnancy. The insanity of it all, eh?

Women know the consequences of getting pregnant - either giving birth to a child, or having an abortion.

Men get to escape both of those responsibilities.

Like I said, Mother Nature is a sneak

 

[Libertas-Mors]

A man can end any pregnancy of his, just as a woman can. There's no double standard

The woman can end her responsibility of parenthood via abortion. What is the equivalent for a man?

 

[Libertas-Mors]

Women know the consequences of getting pregnant - either giving birth to a child, or having an abortion.

Men get to escape both of those responsibilities.

Like I said, Mother Nature is a sneak

Super sneaky boss. Still doesn't answer anything.

 

[sangha]

Right but the man has no say in whether the child will be born even if he doesn't want it to be. Equality, the 'inhuman' creature in the womb shouldn't have control over the man and neither should the woman. Amirite?

The man has a say. He just has to make his decision before having sex.

 

[sangha]

The woman can end her responsibility of parenthood via abortion. What is the equivalent for a man?

They get to avoid the responsibility of being pregnant or having abortions.

 

[sangha]

Super sneaky boss. Still doesn't answer anything.

Mother Nature answers everything.

It's just not always the answer you want to hear

 

[Aunt Spiker]

The reason I disagree with you is that you seem to see it as only a matter between the parents. In my opinion, exactly everything 100% changes 180 degrees if/when a baby is born. Then everything about the 2 bio-parents is secondary to the best interests of the child.

Candidly, by comparison I don't care if that is unfair as hell to either or both of them between them. THEY are going to take care of THEIR kid, not dump it on everyone else NOR make that baby pay for either or both of them being stupid, wreckless, or petty.

Your first statement would make sense if you adamantly supported 100% adoption for all unfit/unwilling parents.

Your 2nd statement counters that suggested belief by insisting that, whether they're able or willing or not, they WILL do it.

One is an attempt at a compromise in an unfortunate situation - the other is totalitarianism . . . and opposes the human condition and is entirely reckless and unjustifiable by any means.

 

[joko104]

Or, conversely, a woman not knowing that sex can lead to pregnancy. The insanity of it all, eh?

And the man knowing if she gets pregnant, she may or may not have a baby from it. May have a miscarriage. My have an abortion.

BOTH KNOW the potentials, don't they?

The equal right I would give you is in relation to your equal responsibility. I believe you, as the bio-father, have the equal duty and equal right to be a parent to that child. THAT is what makes it FAIR.

I did consider the prospect that some day back in my promiscuous years (not boasting of it at all), a condom might fail and some alcoholic, druggie barfly might get pregnant. That's be a big "damn!' I had decided if she wanted an abortion I'd gladly pay for it. But if not, I'd try my damnedest to make a relationship with her, even would marry her if she wished and try as hard as possible to make such a marriage-made-in-hell work - for the kid - because that'd be the right thing to do.

Life's a gamble. You don't always win. Pay your gambling debts when you don't.