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Palin: "The Middle Will Move to Us"

The left has no clue how to handle a conservative female like Governor Palin so the only thing they can do is call her names and insult her.......She is a valuable ally for any Conservative running for office and the left is scared to death of that...The middle will move right in 2010 after the travesty of Obama.....

Let me explain the stupidity of her comment...

The middle doesn't move. People(independents and moderates) move.

But the middle is not something that can move. It's just there.

Palin's trying to use words that she doesn't understand.

Get it.
 
Let me explain the stupidity of her comment...

The middle doesn't move. People(independents and moderates) move.

But the middle is not something that can move. It's just there.

Palin's trying to use words that she doesn't understand.

Get it.

Ypu seen any Tea Party Rallys where she spoke? Be afraid my left wing friend, be very afraid..........
 
The "Middle" is defined by the values of the Left and Right. As they change, so does the Middle.
 
Let me explain the stupidity of her comment...

The middle doesn't move. People(independents and moderates) move.

But the middle is not something that can move. It's just there.

Palin's trying to use words that she doesn't understand.

Get it.

Ahh, so when news broadcasters are saying "Barack Obama is attempting to reach out to the Right" then clearly they're talking about the actual, literal, physical manifestation of the philosophy of the "Right" and obviously not meaning "the people on that side".

For the love of god, you're being overly obtuse and incredibly narrow minded for no other reason than to insult Palin and belittle Navy Pride.

The notion that a Politician states "We need to reach out to the middle" or "We need to get votes from the middle" or even "We hope to draw a few votes away from the Left/Right" is NOT new notions. How about "That guys just reaching out to the Far Right". Guess what, no one when they say that are meaning that they're oging to somehow reach out the literal physical manifestation of political ideology...they are talking about the PEOPLE that are within that segment.

Stating that you're going to attempt to the move the middle to your side, or that you're attempting to reach out to the Left, or that someone is pandering to much to the extreme right are all talking in regards to the people within that ideology.

When people say "Wow, McCain sure did try and pander to the Right during his Presidential Campaign" they weren't saying John McCain went and pandered to a political ideology...they're saying he went and pandered to the PEOPLE that are within that political ideology.

Seriously, when you have to act completely and fully oblivious and literalistic to a point that it strains credibility just to get your attack in...perhaps your attacks not really all that worth posting.
 
hazlnut said:
Let me explain the stupidity of her comment...

The middle doesn't move. People(independents and moderates) move.

But the middle is not something that can move. It's just there.

Palin's trying to use words that she doesn't understand.

Get it.

The "Middle" is defined by the values of the Left and Right. As they change, so does the Middle.

Actually, I think you're both right.

I think Palin is correct about the "middle moving right." If Obama, who is very much a centrist by '90s-'00s standards, is now seen as some sort of radical leftist by most Americans, and the far-right Tea Party conservatives are now the mainstream rightwing, the middle will necessarily move to the middle of that dichotomy.

But Palin is sort of equivocating here. The fact that the middle is moving right, does not mean that they will be voting to their right. The middle will still be captured by the politician who is closest to the middle, regardless of whether it has moved to the right or left on the political spectrum. Palin and the Tea Party are still viewed as much more extreme than Obama, not to mention that the Obama and the Democratic party have the weight of incumbency, and are hot on the heels of a healthcare victory that made the Republicans look all the more extreme and obstructionist.
 
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Actually, I think you're both right.

I think Palin is correct about the "middle moving right." If Obama, who is very much a centrist by '90s-'00s standards, is now seen as some sort of radical leftist by most Americans

Except he wouldn't be. For example Clinton wasn't really that "Centrist" during his first term, it was during the 1996 race and after that he began to triangulate and seek to become more moderate or "centrist", in part due to having to work with a republican congress, in order to regain his seat. People point to Clinton as a "Moderate Liberal" and then point to his push for Health Care, while failing to realize the reality that Clinton's attempted push towards Health Care came during his first term in which he was more to the left then he was by the time his re-election came about.

I think Obama's, rightfully, viewed as firmly on the left in this country with a varying degree of how far depending on what group you ask (typically the farther they are from him the farther to the left htey put him)

and the far-right Tea Party conservatives are now the mainstream rightwing, the middle will necessarily move to the middle of that dichotomy.

And to place the Tea Party as the "Far Right" while trying to portray Obama as Centrist is absolutely laughable. As a whole they are not calling for the wholesale immediete destruction of numerous Government institutions, such as the entire department of education, such as some hardcore libertarians that are more likely "far right" on the size of government scale. Their entire platform deals little if anything with Social Conservatism, and deals zero in regards to "religious right" type of social conservatism. Hardly "far right". Again, like Obama, its a solidly conservative movement that is viewed as more and more extreme the farther and farther left you are from it.

But Palin is sort of equivocating here. The fact that the middle is moving right, does not mean that they will be voting to their right. The middle will still be captured by the politician who is closest to the middle, regardless of whether it has moved to the right or left on the political spectrum.

Again, I think Palin's point is that her goal, and what she thinks could happen, is that Republicans don't falsely present a "moderate" message to appease "The Middle", but to instead articulate the message well enough to convince those in the middle that conservatism is the way to go.

Whether they're able to do it or not is still up for debate, and I do NOT think that Palin can be the person to do it.

Palin and the Tea Party are still viewed as much more extreme than Obama,

Disagree strongly here, but I'd actually love to see some legitimate polls done on the matter. I'd dare say that you'd see most that view the Tea Party as "extreme" are primarily on the left, those that view Obama as "extreme" are mostly on the right, and those in the middle would likely have greatly varying views. I wouldn't be surprised to see it relatively close, with it honestly not geetting out of the 1-4% range which would be so small of a difference that it'd make the claim that one is more than the other a bit useless.

not to mention that the Obama and the Democratic party have the weight of incumbency,

True on this that it tends to be a benefit, but not always. With the current anti-incumbency sentiment in the nation, if it continues through 2010 into 2012 it could be problematic. Even so, ultimately I'd say the incumbency is a net positive for them...just perhaps not as big as in the past.

and are hot on the heels of a healthcare victory that made the Republicans look all the more extreme and obstructionist.

Now this one is a bit of a reach here, wholey based on opinion. Polls still show a majority of Americans unhappy with the Health Care reform and wanting it repealed. Now, grant you, some of those are ones wanting stronger legislation but in those cases they even seem to be more upset with "whimpy" Democrats in their mind than obstructionist Republicans. Republicans additionally have the easy fall back that they COULDN'T be obstructionist...the Democrats over those months and months had a super majority in both houses and in the Presidency. The "Obstructionists" were DEMOCRATS, not Republicans.

Right now HOW the health care reform package and "victory" will play is very, very up in the air and I think its extremely premature to just be chalking it up as a "victory" in terms of electoral affects for either side, especially the Democrats.
 
Palin has no answers.

She was also right about another thing, obama now has something he never had before; a record. From what I can tell the "middle" is running away from his policies just as fast as they can. If that little speach of his where he called on everybody but white folks is any indication he's pretty much abandoned the "middle."
 
Really? All she does it repeat talking points. Not once have I heard her come up with a viable solution to any of the many problems facing us today.
What I said was true.

You mean, like what a great idea this healthcare legislation has been?

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55% Favor Repeal of Health Care Bill
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Just before the House of Representatives passed sweeping health care legislation last Sunday, 41% of voters nationwide favored the legislation while 54% were opposed. Now that President Obama has signed the legislation into law, most voters want to see it repealed.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey, conducted on the first two nights after the president signed the bill, shows that 55% favor repealing the legislation. Forty-two percent (42%) oppose repeal. Those figures include 46% who Strongly Favor repeal and 35% who Strongly Oppose it. .......
 
I guess that's just the way it'll be as long as folks like yourself mislabel her as a wako.
how many people worry about getting protection from witches? she IS a whackjob.
 
Disagree strongly here, but I'd actually love to see some legitimate polls done on the matter.

You're right, I don't know what the numbers are and that was all just opinion. I agree, I'd like to see some real polls, but I don't put too much stock in poll numbers, usually.

Republicans additionally have the easy fall back that they COULDN'T be obstructionist...the Democrats over those months and months had a super majority in both houses and in the Presidency. The "Obstructionists" were DEMOCRATS, not Republicans.

I just don't see that. A win is a win, and the Democrats clearly won here, and that's how it'll play in Peoria, so to speak. People just like a winner and loathe a loser, and the fact that zero Republicans were on board for healthcare just reads as obstructionism. I can see either interpretation, but the Democrats have the high ground here and their message is much more visceral and simpler to communicate. The November elections are theirs to lose; not that they can't fumble it if they try hard enough, but I just don't see America defaulting to the Tea Party, not at this point in the cycle. Right now Sarah Palin is popular in the way Paris Hilton is popular, and that is not how you win elections.
 
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Well, YOUR middle wants to move to Palin, anyway.
 
You're right, I don't know what the numbers are and that was all just opinion. I agree, I'd like to see some real polls, but I don't put too much stock in poll numbers, usually.

That's good if only because they aren't, currently, with the democratic party.



I just don't see that. A win is a win, and the Democrats clearly won here, and that's how it'll play in Peoria, so to speak. People just like a winner and loathe a loser, and the fact that zero Republicans were on board for healthcare just reads as obstructionism. I can see either interpretation, but the Democrats have the high ground here and their message is much more visceral and simpler to communicate. The November elections are theirs to lose; not that they can't fumble it if they try hard enough, but I just don't see America defaulting to the Tea Party, not at this point in the cycle. Right now Sarah Palin is popular in the way Paris Hilton is popular, and that is not how you win elections.

What you are seeing is this democratic party under this democratic president is very busy "losing" the electoral victory of just 1.5 years ago. I've never seen anything like it.


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......Fifty-seven percent (57%) of Democrats say the country is heading in the right direction, while 36% say it’s not. An overwhelming majority (90%) of Republicans and 70% of voters not affiliated with either major political party continue to think the nation is heading down the wrong track. These findings have changed very little for several weeks now.

Prior to the passage of the health care bill, Democrats were almost evenly divided on the question, while the pessimistic view of the country's direction among Republicans and unaffiliateds has held relatively steady for most of 2009 and all of 2010.

Sixty-four percent (64%) of all voters now say the nation is heading down the wrong track, the highest level of pessimism measured since the week prior to the passage of healthcare reform in late March......
 
Ok, so a bunch of self identified conservatives and independents think the "country is headed down the wrong track," whatever that means. That poll tells me absolutely nothing about how they are going to vote, unless you an prove some sort of correlation between those numbers and voting numbers, which you haven't done yet. Oh and they were polled by right-leaning Rasmussen no less. Thanks for proving my point about polls for me :2wave:
 
how many people worry about getting protection from witches? she IS a whackjob.

Folks who park car bombs in front of NY buildings, or stone rape victims for having been raped, are wakos.

Folks who merely have opinions on political topics or quirky religious practices are not.
 
Ypu seen any Tea Party Rallys where she spoke? Be afraid my left wing friend, be very afraid..........

Just like we were supposed to be deathly afraid of Fred Thompson (according to you?) :doh
 
The GOP should listen to Palin and her right-wing cohorts and move the party to the far far right. That would be absolutely brilliant strategy for the GOP.

The GOP would be fools if they don't nominate Palin in 2012.

Go Palin and go GOP!!!
 
Folks who park car bombs in front of NY buildings, or stone rape victims for having been raped, are wakos.

Folks who merely have opinions on political topics or quirky religious practices are not.
your opinion, of course. mine is clearly different.
 
I'm confused, where did Palin say the party should move to the far far right?

I think what he was trying to say is that given the historical positioning of the republican party, it is much more conservative than it used to be. For example if you look at many of Nixon's, Reagan's, and Bush Sr's positions, they would be classified as liberal today.
 
I'm confused, where did Palin say the party should move to the far far right?

It's DD Z. Anything to the Right of Marxist-Leninism is far right in his book.

No one, not even "hard right super partisan"(according to some) Mr. Vic wants to see the GOP go "far far right". Just solid conservatism that leads and doesn't pander will do TYVM.


What's funny is, Obama and Co. have taken the Dems pretty hard left and we'll just see how that's working out for them in 6 months.
 
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