Palestinian Arabs were given the gift of self government, and they've squandered it

[Ganondagan]

So you were wrong when you said this:

No, I wasn't wrong at all. Palestinians in Gaza have been given billions of dollars in aid and almost none of it was spent to improve living conditions, it's been spent on preparing to kill Jews

 

[Phys251]

No, I wasn't wrong at all. Palestinians in Gaza have been given billions of dollars in aid and almost none of it was spent to improve living conditions, it's been spent on preparing to kill Jews

Islamophobic lie. You already admitted that Palestinians don't have money. Why do you like to make shit up?

 

[Tigerace117]

Am I “the Democrats”?

I called out both Obama and Biden for not closing Gitmo.

So in other words everyone with actual power in the US supports the continued existence of torture camps and black sites. The Democrats’ fawning over Liz Cheney and actions when in power show that.

 

[Tigerace117]

They can always just start wars and get their a$$es kicked over and over again. How about the Palestinians spend a little money and effort trying to build a country instead of trying to destroy others.

Israel has failed miserably to do any such thing. They have managed to murder tens of thousands of innocent civilians during their quests to continue colonizing Palestinian land, though.

 

[eohrnberger]

Nothing I've said on this thread or on other threads supports your opinion.

Nothing I've said on this thread or on other threads supports your opinion.

No, it's not at all valid to claim that today "Hamas and Palestinians are one and the same, and that distinction no longer has any difference."

The depth of the Hamas indoctrination and propaganda is pretty clear, as is the support for Hamas by the Palestinians.

Approximately 90% of respondents believe Hamas did not commit atrocities during the October 7 attack, with many citing lack of exposure to videos showing such acts.​

In Gaza, 52% prefer Hamas to return to control of the Gaza Strip post-war, while 25% support a new Palestinian Authority (PA) with an elected president. In the West Bank, 64% favor Hamas control.​

Belief in Hamas Victory: A plurality believes Hamas will control Gaza after the war, but the majority no longer expects Hamas to win the ongoing conflict, with Gazans showing less optimism (compared to West Bank respondents).​

Press Release: Public Opinion Poll No (95) | PCPSR

This poll has been conducted in cooperation with the Netherland Representative Office in RamallahThese are the results of the latest poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR) in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip between 1-4 May 2025. The period prior to the...

www.pcpsr.org

As I've noted, and you have not refuted, it's highly unlikely that the majority of today's adult Palestinians in the Gaza Strip voted nearly 2 decades ago to empower Hamas.

The above appears to show different.

Obviously, any sort of peaceful solution to the situation, Hamas being out of power and outlawed are going to be requirements, and that's not going to happen with the present elve of support for Hamas by the Palestinians.

 

[Questerr]

So in other words everyone with actual power in the US supports the continued existence of torture camps and black sites. The Democrats’ fawning over Liz Cheney and actions when in power show that.

Are you debating me or are you debating “the Democrats”? If you want to debate me, stick to my actual points. If you want to debate “the Democrats”, go debate them.

But that would require you to be intellectually honest and we know that’s not happening.

 

[Tigerace117]

Are you debating me or are you debating “the Democrats”? If you want to debate me, stick to my actual points. If you want to debate “the Democrats”, go debate them.

But that would require you to be intellectually honest and we know that’s not happening.

Intellectual honesty? So you are admitting there’s no evidence Russia has any interest in invading Finland?

That’s what “intellectual honesty” requires, after all.

 

[Questerr]

Intellectual honesty? So you are admitting there’s no evidence Russia has any interest in invading Finland?

That’s what “intellectual honesty” requires, after all.

Then why are they massing troops on Finland's border?

 

[Tigerace117]

Then why are they massing troops on Finland's border?

Because only a moron wouldn’t ensure they have plenty of troops in a region bordering a NATO member country given the U.S.’ track record.

But gee, all the claims of “massing” Russians appear to have them near Murmansk…over a hundred miles from the Finnish border, which makes such claims even more laughable.

 

[Questerr]

Because only a moron wouldn’t ensure they have plenty of troops in a region bordering a NATO member country given the U.S.’ track record.

But gee, all the claims of “massing” Russians appear to have them near Murmansk…over a hundred miles from the Finnish border, which makes such claims even more laughable.

How many invasions has the US launched across the border from a NATO nation?

 

[Tigerace117]

How many invasions has the US launched across the border from a NATO nation?

Other than the bombing campaign in Yugoslavia, you mean?

 

[Deuce]

The depth of the Hamas indoctrination and propaganda is pretty clear, as is the support for Hamas by the Palestinians.

Approximately 90% of respondents believe Hamas did not commit atrocities during the October 7 attack, with many citing lack of exposure to videos showing such acts.​

In Gaza, 52% prefer Hamas to return to control of the Gaza Strip post-war, while 25% support a new Palestinian Authority (PA) with an elected president. In the West Bank, 64% favor Hamas control.​

Belief in Hamas Victory: A plurality believes Hamas will control Gaza after the war, but the majority no longer expects Hamas to win the ongoing conflict, with Gazans showing less optimism (compared to West Bank respondents).​

Press Release: Public Opinion Poll No (95) | PCPSR

This poll has been conducted in cooperation with the Netherland Representative Office in RamallahThese are the results of the latest poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR) in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip between 1-4 May 2025. The period prior to the...

www.pcpsr.org

The above appears to show different.

Obviously, any sort of peaceful solution to the situation, Hamas being out of power and outlawed are going to be requirements, and that's not going to happen with the present elve of support for Hamas by the Palestinians.

What a weird thing to point out if you're trying to justify murdering random innocent Palestinians, lol.

Hey, you know what might help more Palestinians learn about such things? Functioning infrastructure, journalism, internet access, etc.

 

[Questerr]

Other than the bombing campaign in Yugoslavia, you mean?

You mean the UN mission?

Is Russia planning on conducting ethnic cleansing against minorities?

 

[Deuce]

Other than the bombing campaign in Yugoslavia, you mean?

Explain, in your own words, why that was done

 

[Tigerace117]

Explain, in your own words, why that was done

The sole criteria requested was “NATO invasions launched on neighboring countries”.

And if NATO gave a shit about atrocities, they would have reigned the Croats in.

 

[Tigerace117]

You mean the UN mission?

Is Russia planning on conducting ethnic cleansing against minorities?

Gee dude, if the US and NATO cared about ethnic cleansing, why didn’t they try to stop the Croats?

 

[Questerr]

Gee dude, if the US and NATO cared about ethnic cleansing, why didn’t they try to stop the Croats?

They did. The UN mission went after war criminals on all sides.

You realize Russia sent troops into Yugoslavia too, right?

 

[multivita-man]

For the first time in centuries, and maybe even millennia, those living in the region we call Palestine had the chance create their own government and do things without a foreign leader actually making decisions. It didn't last a decade. They initiated wars against Israel and ensured they would remain a third world country. In the meantime, the Israelis have built a first world nation. Some of us are better at taking advantage of opportunities than others. At least we got Kalia beach out of the stupidity.

Unlike you, the Palestinians knew that Israel wasn't done expanding. They're still not done expanding. There were proposals for an Arab state and a Jewish state long before the 1948 war, and Israel basically maneuvered to change the terms so that they got a disproportionate amount of territory relative to the population. The idea that Palestinians had a chance to create their own government is nonsense.

 

[Tigerace117]

They did. The UN mission went after war criminals on all sides.

You realize Russia sent troops into Yugoslavia too, right?

No they didn’t. Far fewer Croats than Serbs were arrested, despite comparable atrocities, and UN forces sire didn’t try to stop them from carrying out said atrocities.

You could have bribed Yeltsin into doing just about anything internationally. That’s why the West longs for his time in power

 

[bomberfox]

So again, with the bolded for emphasis -

I dont think having to use the Sherman tank well after it was put out of commission is latching onto a teat that much :/

 

[JMB1911A1]

Unlike you, the Palestinians knew that Israel wasn't done expanding. They're still not done expanding. There were proposals for an Arab state and a Jewish state long before the 1948 war, and Israel basically maneuvered to change the terms so that they got a disproportionate amount of territory relative to the population. The idea that Palestinians had a chance to create their own government is nonsense.

After the 1967 war, Israel occupied the Sinai, Gaza, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. All were returned.

 

[Tigerace117]

After the 1967 war, Israel occupied the Sinai, Gaza, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. All were returned.

Israel only gained peace with Egypt once it abandoned efforts to colonize the Sinai.

Oh really? When did Israel return the Golan to Syria, exactly? Because last time I checked, Israel had effectively annexed the whole thing.

 

[multivita-man]

After the 1967 war, Israel occupied the Sinai, Gaza, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. All were returned.

Uh, no.

 

[bomberfox]

Intellectual honesty? So you are admitting there’s no evidence Russia has any interest in invading Finland?

That’s what “intellectual honesty” requires, after all.

Do you ever stay on topic?

 

[Tigerace117]

Do you ever stay on topic?

It’s not my fault “intellectual honesty” requires dismissal of American apologist claims.