Palestinian Arabs were given the gift of self government, and they've squandered it

[Pyrite]

I'm supposedly having an emotional reaction, and you've now made two posts announcing that you don't respect me? Take a deep breath and look in the mirror, guy. And when you come back try to remember that I included the line "I hope I'm misreading that."

You're not addressing the excerpt I've copied and pasted, whose words I've said have made me lose respect for you. (No, saying "I hope I'm misreading that" isn't at all sufficient. You accused me of wanting "more Israelis" to be killed, among other things. People who post in good faith do not go there, even to make a point or to emphasize how upsetting a prospect may be. Or, if they do so, and it's pointed out, they react appropriately.)

Your refusal to do this is...disappointing. And eye-opening.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

The British left because Mandatory Palestine no longer existed, and sure, they no longer wanted to deal with it. Which side started the civil war over unhappiness with the proposed partition?

Um, after the various zionist groups became frustrated with the slow speed of acquiring land legally, they began the civil war and displaced @ 750K Palestinians.

But you know all about the Nakba......I would have to assume.

 

[Pyrite]

As a result of a conflict started by who? The Arabs.

The Palestinian civil war was a result of their dissatisfaction with the partition.

Which side lost homes, businesses, communities, their land, in the war after the Partition and in subsequent land grabs by the Government of Israel?

Remember, we're talking Palestinians, not "Arab'' nations.

 

[Questerr]

UN didn't make any declaration. The British did that. They could have unilaterally awarded the entire region to the Jews but followed the UN's partition plan instead.

Using such an extreme counter example as an argument is proof you're in over your head in this discussion.

What degree of stealing land is acceptable?

 

[TobyOne]

Can't think of a worse group of people. Payback is a bitch.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

As a result of a conflict started by who? The Arabs.

The Palestinian civil war was a result of their dissatisfaction with the partition.

The Arabs outnumbered Jews by nearly 2 to 1 and owned 80% of the land, the idea that they were removed from their homeland because they "started it" is an absurdity.

 

[Pyrite]

Can't think of a worse group of people. Payback is a bitch.

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"...a worse group of people"

Are you referring to Hamas or to Palestinians in Gaza?

 

[Questerr]

Can't think of a worse group of people. Payback is a bitch.

The majority of Gazans are children.

 

[Lycanthrope]

What? The Israelis haven't focused on attacking another country for 70 years and have built a first world nation. That's indisputable. The Palestinians have done absolutely nothing to improve their situation outside of war. That was more the point.

Besides, the majority of US aid to Isreal has always been military rather than economic, and I wonder why.....

So again, with the bolded for emphasis -

Israel has been latched to the US taxpayer teat since its inception. It has not had to direct its own resources to creating/sustaining its military, something that would have broken their economy. So it makes perfect sense that they have had more and better opportunities to develop into a first world nation than Palestine.

Does that justify terrorism? Absolutely not. But it does shatter your bullshit narrative that Palestinians "squandered" their opportunities in direct comparison to Israel. The latter has been on US welfare its entire existence.

 

[Deuce]

UN didn't make any declaration. The British did that. They could have unilaterally awarded the entire region to the Jews but followed the UN's partition plan instead.

Using such an extreme counter example as an argument is proof you're in over your head in this discussion.

Your defense is that they could have stolen even more land?

Curious strategy but you do you bro

 

[Deuce]

Can't think of a worse group of people. Payback is a bitch.

Whatever you gotta do to convince yourself that those children deserve to be shot.

 

[Tigerace117]

The majority of Gazans are children.

Aww, don’t worry. By the time the survivors reach adulthood I’m sure you’ll have thought up an excuse for the U.S. backed mass murder campaign.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

The British left because Mandatory Palestine no longer existed, and sure, they no longer wanted to deal with it.

They no longer could deal with the Zionist militias killing British soldiers and Officers, or having their headquarters bombed, destroyed. Menachem Begin was classified as a terrorist and was banned from entering England for a decade because of his leadership in the attacks.

 

[Questerr]

Aww, don’t worry. By the time the survivors reach adulthood I’m sure you’ll have thought up an excuse for the U.S. backed mass murder campaign.

Why exactly do you think I support the US or Israeli when it comes to the Palestinians?

 

[Tigerace117]

Why exactly do you think I support the US or Israeli when it comes to the Palestinians?

Because I’ve seen you do nothing but defend the U.S’ foreign policy across multiple threads.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

You're not addressing the excerpt I've copied and pasted, whose words I've said have made me lose respect for you. (No, saying "I hope I'm misreading that" isn't at all sufficient. You accused me of wanting "more Israelis" to be killed, among other things. People who post in good faith do not go there, even to make a point or to emphasize how upsetting a prospect may be. Or, if they do so, and it's pointed out, they react appropriately.)

Your refusal to do this is...disappointing. And eye-opening.

He has made "blood right" arguments defending Jewish claims to the land, something nearly all Jewish leaders rejected.

 

[Pyrite]

Because I’ve seen you do nothing but defend the U.S’ foreign policy across multiple threads.

(I do not agree with the above, but that isn't what we're discussing on this thread.)

You haven't "seen" @Questerr defend the Israeli Government's killing and maiming Palestinian children in Gaza.

 

[Questerr]

Because I’ve seen you do nothing but defend the U.S’ foreign policy across multiple threads.

Except I don’t. I criticize the US when the US is in the wrong, for instance Israel, drone strikes, supporting the Saudis in Yemen, or invading Iraq.

What I don’t do is criticize the US even when they are in the right, for instance supporting Ukraine against the invasion of Russia.

 

[reinaert]

Orientalist rubbish.

 

[Tigerace117]

Except I don’t. I criticize the US when the US is in the wrong, for instance Israel, drone strikes, supporting the Saudis in Yemen, or invading Iraq.

What I don’t do is criticize the US even when they are in the right, for instance supporting Ukraine against the invasion of Russia.

And yet I’ve seen no evidence of that.

What I have seen is blind support of whatever war the U.S. happens to approve one

 

[CLAX1911]

For the first time in centuries, and maybe even millennia, those living in the region we call Palestine had the chance create their own government and do things without a foreign leader actually making decisions. It didn't last a decade. They initiated wars against Israel and ensured they would remain a third world country. In the meantime, the Israelis have built a first world nation. Some of us are better at taking advantage of opportunities than others. At least we got Kalia beach out of the stupidity.

So the moment they have disability to govern themselves they elect terrorists. Palestine is ruled by Hamas everyone points the finger at Israel for the problem but the problem is Hamas. I don't know why they choose Hamas to be there leader. I don't know if they were tricked into it or if it's based on some religious viewpoint or a combination of things.

 

[Questerr]

And yet I’ve seen no evidence of that.

What I have seen is blind support of whatever war the U.S. happens to approve one

Because your sole standard is “America Bad!”

You have to believe that the US’s support for Ukraine and therefore the cause of Ukraine are evil because you believe America is evil regardless of the details.

 

[Tigerace117]

Because your sole standard is “America Bad!”

You have to believe that the US’s support for Ukraine and therefore the cause of Ukraine are evil because you believe America is evil regardless of the details.

The U.S. is objectively bad. That isn’t even a matter of opinion; it’s influence on Latin America has been objectively malign for over a century.

The US supports the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. No amount of denial can change that.

 

[Pyrite]

So the moment they have disability to govern themselves they elect terrorists. Palestine is ruled by Hamas everyone points the finger at Israel for the problem but the problem is Hamas. I don't know why they choose Hamas to be there leader. I don't know if they were tricked into it or if it's based on some religious viewpoint or a combination of things.

Don't forget that the State of Israel occupied Gaza for decades.

Don't forget that Netanyahu, in an attempt to weaken the power of the Palestinian Authority, promoted Hamas in that election.

Yes, Hamas is a terrorist organization. But today, the majority of Palestinian adults in Gaza probably didn't vote for Hamas in that one election.

Back to the issue: Despite nearly 2 decades of an Israeli-imposed-and-enforced crippling blockade, nearly 2 decades of Israeli incursions into Gaza in which the IDF periodically "mowed the lawn", and the fact that the IDF is by far more powerful than Hamas, the people of Israel are not safe from attacks mounted from Gaza by Hamas.

It looks as if trying to eradicate Hamas from the Strip by force is not a successful strategy.

 

[Questerr]

The U.S. is objectively bad. That isn’t even a matter of opinion; it’s influence on Latin America has been objectively malign for over a century.

The US supports the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. No amount of denial can change that.

So you believe the US should be destroyed like Nazi Germany, yes? Another objectively bad nation?

If a country is “objectively bad”, does that mean everything it does is bad?