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Wouldn't one have to know the pain, before there is fear enough to avoid it? When hitting kids on the hand or bottom was allowed in the schools, it was hardly ever done. Word of mouth put the fear into you. My eighth grade teacher was called the dragon lady. By the time I got there, I didn't dare to cross her. Kids have to learn respect at an early age, either at home or at school.Kolberg's theory of moral development:
Stage 1: Pain avoidance.
RightatNYU said:Who gets paddled? Is it only boys? If yes, thats unfair. If not, then would you feel comfortable sending your 18 year old daughter to a class where she gets paddled by her sketchy 55 year old health teacher every day for talking?
The last things we need to be doing in schools nowadays are:
1) Increasing use of and presence of weapons
2) Increasing acrimony between students and teachers
3) Increasing opportunities for favoritism
4) Increasing opportunities for sexual abuse
I'm talking about my kids, not the world....Yikes! You want to beat your kids, go right ahead. So you're against abortion but pro-beating?sebastiansdreams said:On what grounds can you say that your children have never been in a fight BECAUSE you did not spank them? Are you suggesting that those children that are spanked are violent? Do you have any evidence that would support your claim?
26 X World Champs said:I'm talking about my kids, not the world....Yikes! You want to beat your kids, go right ahead. So you're against abortion but pro-beating?
carolyn- said::agree
But seriously, paddling does not just happen because of favouritism as your post puts it. Paddling, if legislated, would be done because of serious crimes not just for talking in class.
In my school, people get publicly paddled but that does not deter them from committing their crimes. However, I see the trend that it is always the same few that get publicly paddled, and soon, expelled. The rest of the school are just timidly watching.. and hoping they'll never get into that position. To a certain extent, paddling does work to the majority of the school because it instils fear.
Contrarian said:Teachers shouldn't have the burden of dealing with our kids... on the other side, if a teacher hit my kid, she / he would either end up in jail or suffer a beating at my hand.... When the hell did it become the responsiblity of the schools to teach respect and discipline? Where are the parents? The simple fact should be that the teachers should notify the parents that the kid is a little piece of crap and that if they don't get him / her under control the kid can't return to school. If they don't complete school, they grow up to be low lives in trailer parks with no future.
Darwin was right. Survival of the fittest. The rule of 80 /20 is absolute. 80% of the population is as stupid as a rock, and those who don't want to learn only bear that out... let them mop floors and mow lawns for a living.
Ha, it is very apparent you have never worked for government schools. Unfortunately many parents haven't the first clue nor inclination towards discipline. And since every child must, by law, go to school, the teachers are dumped on. They get payed next to nothing, are given little respect, and now are expected to be able to teach these children but are prevented from any logical means of punishment for fear they might get put in jail or beat up as you so elegantly put it. It should be the parents' responsibilites. But how can you make a teacher who is forced to teach these children teach a parent how to discipline their child if they do not want to learn?Contrarian said:Teachers shouldn't have the burden of dealing with our kids... on the other side, if a teacher hit my kid, she / he would either end up in jail or suffer a beating at my hand.... When the hell did it become the responsiblity of the schools to teach respect and discipline? Where are the parents? The simple fact should be that the teachers should notify the parents that the kid is a little piece of crap and that if they don't get him / her under control the kid can't return to school. If they don't complete school, they grow up to be low lives in trailer parks with no future.
Darwin was right. Survival of the fittest. The rule of 80 /20 is absolute. 80% of the population is as stupid as a rock, and those who don't want to learn only bear that out... let them mop floors and mow lawns for a living.
I'm a parent, are you? Show me how the Death Penalty prevents crime? Instead of blustering how about debating? Show me why over the last 30 or so years 28 States have banned paddling and how that is wrong?satinloveslibs said:Your against the death penalty and properly disaplining a kid. Are you just the perfect person. if the world ran under you then we'd have criminals everywhere and tones of freakin disrespectful children. Sounds thrilling eh?
Very, very well written! I agree 100%!RightatNYU said:Why is it the job of the school to instill fear?
How about instead of that, they teach respect, a value that is far more important. I never misbehaved in the classes of the teachers I respected, and if the teachers who I didn't respect had had the right to hit me, that sure as hell wouldn't have made me fear them. It would have made me pity them.
So you're saying that teachers should be allowed to paddle their students but they should not be allowed to distribute birth control to them?sebastiansdreams said:Ha, it is very apparent you have never worked for government schools. Unfortunately many parents haven't the first clue nor inclination towards discipline. And since every child must, by law, go to school, the teachers are dumped on. They get payed next to nothing, are given little respect, and now are expected to be able to teach these children but are prevented from any logical means of punishment for fear they might get put in jail or beat up as you so elegantly put it. It should be the parents' responsibilites. But how can you make a teacher who is forced to teach these children teach a parent how to discipline their child if they do not want to learn?
RightatNYU said:Why is it the job of the school to instill fear?
How about instead of that, they teach respect, a value that is far more important. I never misbehaved in the classes of the teachers I respected, and if the teachers who I didn't respect had had the right to hit me, that sure as hell wouldn't have made me fear them. It would have made me pity them.
Arch Enemy said:Why are some of you talking like the teachers are installed into the system?
They aren't forced to teach and if they can't handle the disrespectful kids of these days, then find a new job with the knowledge you've gain through teaching..
sebastiansdreams said:Ha, it is very apparent you have never worked for government schools. Unfortunately many parents haven't the first clue nor inclination towards discipline. And since every child must, by law, go to school, the teachers are dumped on. They get payed next to nothing, are given little respect, and now are expected to be able to teach these children but are prevented from any logical means of punishment for fear they might get put in jail or beat up as you so elegantly put it. It should be the parents' responsibilites. But how can you make a teacher who is forced to teach these children teach a parent how to discipline their child if they do not want to learn?
carolyn- said:But the teachers you respected are USUALLY those that are fearsome. The classes that you usually do not misbehave are those that had stern teachers in it, seldom of those teachers that let the class climb over their head. :doh
carolyn- said:But the teachers you respected are USUALLY those that are fearsome. The classes that you usually do not misbehave are those that had stern teachers in it, seldom of those teachers that let the class climb over their head. :doh
pwo said:Everyone keeps on saying that it is the parents responsibility to spank the child, not the teachers. "If they want to paddle the kids then let em" (or something like that). However, if the parents don't disipline their childern then the teachers have to deal with them. That isn't fair to the teachers.
28/50 states dont allow paddling. Hmmm.... I didn't know that 56% was a clear concensus.
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