I am sure there is a variety of opinions on this. Such a social movement changed a lot about America, some good and some bad. What is your opinion about it overall?
Bad for who? America overall? Women? Men?
The answer depends as to here one finds themselve's standing.
There will yes's and there will be no's and lot's of maybe's.
There is no absolute answer.
I have noticed the, what some might call, the accellerating moral decay happening in our society around the same time a LOT of movements to change the social structure came to be, the women's movement included.
But some of our traditional moral values were oppressive and burdensome and needed to be removed. Others? Maybe. Maybe not.
But, in my opinion, modern day social structure norms, compared to back in the Ozzy and Harriot days, suck donkey balls and the proof is in the pudding. Chaos on every corner.
But I wouldn't put this at the feet of the women's movement. Just saying, when American's embrace a movement(s) to throw the monkey wrench into the gears of society, collectively, they share responsiblity for us being wherever we are at, years later, be that good OR bad.
Or to put it simply, "We reap what we sew."
I have noticed the, what some might call, the accellerating moral decay happening in our society around the same time a LOT of movements to change the social structure came to be, the women's movement included.
But some of our traditional moral values were oppressive and burdensome and needed to be removed. Others? Maybe. Maybe not.
But, in my opinion, modern day social structure norms, compared to back in the Ozzy and Harriot days, suck donkey balls and the proof is in the pudding. Chaos on every corner.
But I wouldn't put this at the feet of the women's movement.
Just saying, when American's embrace a movement(s) to throw the monkey wrench into the gears of society, collectively, they share responsiblity for us being wherever we are at, years later, be that good OR bad.
Or to put it simply, "We reap what we sow."
Thanks for fixing my spelling fart. I actually thought about it for a second or two and went with the wrong spelling. I suppose I wanted to keep the word "sow" off a thread concerning feminism. :rofl
Those three letters make me think of a big fat hog with droopy tits. :mrgreen:
It's a lot like the Civil Rights movement. Both of these things started out with denands for legal equality. Women got this, basically, with the right to vote. Then they both focused on changing societal views on their groups. Thus, it became less crazy to envision women leaving the kitchen and getting a job of their own, and so women entered the work force.
But by then the movements had basically succeeded in acheiving their goals, yet didn't really want to disband. So they started coming up with new things to decide it was their job to fix. They started concentrating on equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. Sometimes they sought to be more than equal (affirmative action, etc.). So my answer is, it depends on what you mean by feminism. Up through the 70s, it did a lot of good. Most people who claim to be "feminists" nowadays, though, are just like the modern day "civil rights" activists, and aren't really worth listening to IMO.
We do indeed reap what we sow.
It's a lot like the Civil Rights movement. Both of these things started out with denands for legal equality. Women got this, basically, with the right to vote. Then they both focused on changing societal views on their groups. Thus, it became less crazy to envision women leaving the kitchen and getting a job of their own, and so women entered the work force.
But by then the movements had basically succeeded in acheiving their goals, yet didn't really want to disband. So they started coming up with new things to decide it was their job to fix. They started concentrating on equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. Sometimes they sought to be more than equal (affirmative action, etc.). So my answer is, it depends on what you mean by feminism. Up through the 70s, it did a lot of good. Most people who claim to be "feminists" nowadays, though, are just like the modern day "civil rights" activists, and aren't really worth listening to IMO.
What would people say is the good that came from the women's movement? I do not mean suffrage but the feminist movement.
Good and bad.
Good for women in that it encouraged higher education and awareness of important issues.
Bad for families in that it made it a necessity in many cases for women to work in order to maintain a decent income for the family, thus necessitating putting kids in daycare and missing out on a critically important (imo) time of their childrens' lives. Bad for familiies in that it encourages women to be a little more self-focused and less focused on the well-being of the family unit, which is one of the cornerstones of most healthy societies.
It's a double-edged sword which has had a positive impact on the quality of life for women on a personal level, but a negative one on families.
Why is there this ridiculous assumption that it is somehow the woman's responsibility to stay at home and raise kids, and be primarily focused on raising kids? Do we have an equivalent expectation for men? Oh, yeah. No. Of course not.
For me, I will be grateful, forever, that my parents helped me go to college, get a degree, and a good job. When my ex-husband ended up being an abusive prick who went around sticking his dick in other women, instead of having to stay with him, suck it up, and take it, I was able to divorce him and take care of my kids on my own without us being in poverty.
Actually, we do. The equally ridiculous assumption held by many people, both male and female, is that its the man's duty to be the provider for the family. That the man should pay, ingrained at the earliest time from the man should be paying for the dates you go on and continuing outwards from that.
While I understand that women may feel the sting of the first traditional stereotype more and notice them more, trust me when I say the other view point is not vanished and gone from our society as well. This is both in how many women view a relationship situation, and how what society dictates and presents to you as you grow up as a male thus creating the mental belief that this is necessary and the many hangups guys have later in life when that does not become the case.
You rail against "men" for not getting on board. The difference is while there was the whole "women's liberation" thing and has been going on for some time, there's not really been that for males. While women now grow up far more likely to understand and find it relatively socially acceptable not to be the 50's stereotyped woman, its not nearly the same for a man. The notion of the stay at home dad is ridiculed. The guy that takes home-ec instead of woodshop has his masculinity questioned. The guy that brings home less money than his wife is made to feel a lesser. As a young male grows up his worth is still often taught as being measured by the means that he can protect and provide for his.
I speak of course in generalities, and even that is begining to decline some in this age but only because what happened 40 years ago for females has started in the past 10 or 20 for males in regards to traditional social expectations.
The women coming into their 20's now are the daughters of the women that were living and breathing the movement. This is not the case with the men coming into their 20's now. Those were men still raised with that notion that they're supposed to be the provider, the protector, the bread winner, the MAN in a family. To do otherwise requires the stripping down of years upon years of possible family and societal expectations built up within their mind.
First, you had to raise your kids on their own without a male role model and a family role model (at least you haven't mentioned one). Statistics show that your kids are more likely to divorce themselves, perpetuating the destruction of traditional families.
Secondly, your being an independent minded feminist may have contributed to the outcome of your marriage. If your husband was not able to deal with your non-traditional outlook, he may have become an abusive prick and stuck his dick in other women. These things do tend to take two to tango.
Thirdly, the combination of financial independence and non-traditional roles by women have disrupted the traditional family. Divorce for much lessor reasons than yours occurs regularly. People get tired of each other and when marriage is no longer fun and games and the real work starts, people have an easier time of ignoring their vows and quitting on each other.
This destabilizes a foundation stone in our society. Secondary effects of single parent families are stark.
Lastly, the instability of the family causes women to have children out of wedlock. This perpetuates the problems.
The birth rate among teenagers declined 2 percent in 2005, continuing a trend from the early 1990s. The rate is now about 40 births per 1,000 females ages 15 to 19. That is the lowest level in the 65 years for which a consistent series of rates is available.
The U.S. teen birth rate is still the highest among industrialized countries.
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