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Outrage as Newt Gingrich says Capitol attack investigators could be jailed

Did you know that McConnell was on the same Capitol Seciruty committee that declined the additional NG? And did you know that the fact is that trump gave approval for NG mobiization to General Milley several days before J6?

Since there already was pre approval, why did the NG not arrive until later in the evening?
If Mitch was on the same committee that declined the additional NG, doesn't he share the blame?

This is why the National Guard didn’t respond to the attack on the Capitol

The response to the siege on the Capitol was mired in red tape.
www.militarytimes.com
 
I've been nothing but honest, it's you trying to blame race riots on corporations and the Democrats and trying to say that those riots are comparable to an actual act that purposefully attempted to overthrow our democracy. It's because you need the deflection, you need the excuse, because you won't condemn the 1/6 Sedition for what it is.
 


Then answer the question.

Did they, or did they not know what they were doing when they lied about the shooting of Jakob Blake?

It's a simple question.

And by the way, a bunch of middle class white kids burning down courthouses and black owned stores while chanting "black lives matter" is not a "race riot".

It was political activism.
 

A lot has come out since this was written.

After this posted, Trump claimed that he had offered the National Guard to Pelosi and she had turned it down.

This claim was spread through right wing social media, and parroted incessantly by his supporters.

There is no evidence that he ever made such an offer.

The observation that the request had to come through the National Park Service and then to the Secretary of Defense is interesting, and it should draw attention to many of the abrupt, last minute, changes in administration personel.

The chain of command was riddled with recently appointed flunkies, who were new in their role, and totally unequipped to cope with the disaster.

That this was done deliberately in order to hamstring National Guard response not only seems likely, but probable.

The military was deeply embarrassed by the way that Trump used them on June 1st of the previous year.

I’m almost certain that the “former cabinet official” quoted in this article is Mike Espey.
 
Sorry you wasted all of that bandwidth with projection.
 
tanj said:
wow. that disregards so much violence, death and destruction that were a definite part of those protests.
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It's not my fault right-wingers and Trump supporters are too stupid to recognize there is a difference between peaceful protests and riots. That's your side's fault for intentionally conflating the two groups for political purposes.


tanj said:
what. like declare a portion of a major US city as an autonomous zone?
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I think any person or group who tries to establish some sort of independent government within the U.S. should be dealt with harshly to the point of using government-sanctioned violence. And you have to keep in mind there were not that many involved in this autonomous zone in comparison to all the people who protested.

Black Lives Matter Protesters Were Overwhelmingly Peaceful, Our Research Finds | Radcliffe Institute for Advanced Study at Harvard University

The Black Lives Matter uprisings were remarkably nonviolent. When there was violence, very often police or counterprotesters were reportedly directing it at the protesters.
www.radcliffe.harvard.edu

tanj said:
like besiege and burn a federal courthouse or a police station?
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Yes, this is bad. Now tell us how many individual people were involved in that crime? Now, compare that number to the tens of millions of people who peacefully protested:


Black Lives Matter Protesters Were Overwhelmingly Peaceful, Our Research Finds | Radcliffe Institute for Advanced Study at Harvard University

The Black Lives Matter uprisings were remarkably nonviolent. When there was violence, very often police or counterprotesters were reportedly directing it at the protesters.
www.radcliffe.harvard.edu

There is no comparison between the random, disorganized violence, and the assault on our Capitol building and attempt to overturn Biden's victory.

In every major city every night there were probably no more than 50 to 100 people engaged in violence. Out of a country of 330 million people that's not a lot. That's enough to be a major headache for local law enforcement. But it was never anywhere close to the END OF THE WORLD that Fox News portrayed every night.
 
tanj said:
which is probably what 99% of the protesters were effectively doing.
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Yeah, something like that, if you are also counting everyone who showed up at D.C. and also at Trump's rally where Trump encouraged them to march on the Capitol Building, and what those 1% did on Jan 6th is still worse than anything that happened in the summer of 2020 because they were trying to overturn an election they lost based on the false allegations of election fraud of the loser, Trump. Congress had to physically remove themselves from the building because of the actions of your political allies.

tanj said:
tell it to democrats who opposed trumps win in '16.
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I don't give a shit. I don't care that a few Democrats opposed Trump's win. I didn't. And most Democrats didn't. Now, let's look at the latest poll numbers:

Poll: Nearly 6 in 10 Republicans say they will not vote for any candidate who admits Biden won 'fair and square'

Despite a mountain of evidence showing the 2020 presidential contest wasn’t rigged against Donald Trump, nearly 6 in 10 Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say they will not vote for any candidate who admits Joe Biden won the presidency fair and square.
news.yahoo.com

Look at that shit. How ridiculous is that? If you're a Republican and you don't support Trump's bullshit lies, you can't get elected, because Trump's white trash supporters are ignorant and believe that the election was stolen from Trump. Are you kidding me? And you are whining about a few random Democrats in 2016?

What a bunch of crybaby white trash losers.
 
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tanj said:
tell it to the democrat majority House and its two evidence free impeachments.
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Now, this is not true.

You must have fooled yourself into believing Trump's lies and forgotten to read the Mueller report.

You must have fooled yourself into believing Trump's lies and forgotten to see the case the House impeachment lawyers put on that described the evidence revealing Trump's attempt to coerce Ukraine into helping him win in 2022.

Trump is not a king. Trump is not above the law. If someone like Trump, even if they are the President, does something suspicious, they must be investigated. Trump is not immune from investigation. And investigating a shady and suspicious character like Trump is not an attempt to overturn an election. In our country no one is above the law.

And Trump is responsible for his own actions. And it's a result of Trump's own actions that he was investigated and impeached. And you lie. You straight up lie when you say there was no evidence. We have this ****er on record saying., "I would like you to do us a favor." That's an abuse of office right there. We have the White House lawyer saying that Trump was trying to shut down the Mueller investigation. That's obstruction right there. We have Trump trying to send Flynn to contact Russian hackers in 2016. That looks an awful lot like someone trying to conspire with the Russian government. now, your advice is that we should just ignore that and pretend Trump is not a lying, piece of shit crook and a conman? That's not how our system works. In our system if someone does things that look suspicious, we take a little look-see, even if it pisses off his political supporters. If you have a problem with the FBI investigating Trump for trying to conspire with the Russian government my advice is for you to tell Trump to stop doing shady and suspicious shit.

All you have is excuses and whataboutisms. You will never take responsibility for the attempt of your political allies to try and make Trump a dictator. Trump is a loser. Trump lost. Get over it.
 
You musta forgotten the 80K a month job that Hunter goit and Biden threatening the President to stop the Burisma investigation.
 
tanj said:
just like Al Gore did. right? just like Stacy Abrams in Georgia, right?
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tanj said:
wow.
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Neither Al Gore nor Stacy Abrams lied. Trump lied. They both had legitimate concerns. Their concerns were addressed by our system non-violently as they should be. And they then accepted the results. Trump lied to your face like the con man and loser he is and said there was "MASSIVE WIDESPREAD FRAUD!" There was no massive election fraud. Biden won fair and square. He lied. Trump lied to you. You fell for it. Instead of admitting he lied, you still defend him for his lies. Why is that? Trump lost. Trump lost big time. Trump lost because Trump is a loser. And then Trump's white trash losers tried to violently assault Congress to prevent Biden's victory from being certified by Congress! How stupid and ignorant is that! That's so stupid! And Trump is STILL LYING ABOUT IT!!! Every press release he lies about there being huge election fraud. Why aren't you criticizing Trump for being a piece of shit lying con man who is lying to you every day? There is no comparison. Democrats are the good guys and Trump supporters are bunch of losers who love themselves more than they love their Republic Trump lost. Get over it. Stop whining. Trump supporters are not special. They have to follow the rules. They have to accept they are not always going to get what they want. And, no, Trump supporters are not victims. They are bullies.
 
Fat girl Stacey never conceded.
 
the issue was questioning the outcome of an election and trying to "overturn" it. in that case, both examples are spot on.
 
not true? then why did they not manage to present any actual evidence to support their case?
the mueller report at worst spoke of possible infractions. the whole thing was based on a proven false document but was carried forth in the democrats attempt to overturn the election they lost by having trump kicked out of office.

im not going to rehash two failed impeachments. the results speak for themselves.
 
tanj said:
the issue was questioning the outcome of an election and trying to "overturn" it. in that case, both examples are spot on.
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all Trump had to do was send in the military, amirite? It is garbage that he tried to overturn an election. Stop the nonsense.
 
ah. I see. as a result of the actions of *your* political allies, buildings were burned, businesses destroyed and people were killed.

considering the complete lack of threat to life the trespassers presented, I don't think that they *had* to remove themselves. I also don't believe they just decided to do so, but were directed to do so. now, where did that decision come from? why was the security of the capitol so lax that day when offers had been made to significantly increase it ahead of the rally / protest? Why, after the FBI reported no grand scheme was afoot that day, did the house decide to have their own singularly partisan committee rehash the investigation of the day?

btw, the democrats efforts to ensconce into law the very processes that were put into play in the last election ( sometimes in violation of the constitution ) it seems to me that they are trying to ensure that there is maintained a perpetual and undefeatable majority by their party in our elections.

you and everyone else hangs on the exact use of the word "fraud" but that encompases far more than just the legal definition for which there has been no court rulings that would represent any significant effect on the outcome. the democrat party used the pandemic to get around the law, and it worked. now, no matter what comes out in the end, those actions will never be able to be undone or overturned.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
It's not my fault right-wingers and Trump supporters are too stupid to recognize there is a difference between peaceful protests and riots.
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well then the images of trump effigies lying in prop guillotines must have been a mirage.
the calls for national guard to assist were demonized by the left, but then suspiciously absent on Jan 6.
some said it was due to "bad optics", but the calls for national guard presence were confirmed in testimony.
those requests were denied.

remember when there was tear gas used? the outrage? the comparisons to violation of the geneva conventions?

you seem to have a quite rosy picture in your remembrance of those riots.
 
If lack of morals were a crime, Newt would be doing life in prison, in the cell next to trump.
 
You sound angry about something!
 
You should definitely hold your breath.
 
tanj said:
well then the images of trump effigies lying in prop guillotines must have been a mirage.
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Something like 18 million people protested. So because a handful of people put up a trump effigy on a guillotine then that means all of them were vicious, violent, rioters? How does that make any sense?

tanj said:
the calls for national guard to assist were demonized by the left, but then suspiciously absent on Jan 6.
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I don't know who you're referring to when you use the phrase "the left." It seems like you use the term the "left" to describe everyone who opposes you politically. And if one person does something bad, you say it was "the left" and then you say ALL of the "left" are now responsible for what that one person did, and when you say ALL of the "left" you somehow also include everyone who opposes Trump, and supports these protests, even if they might be liberal, or moderate, or conservative. The phrase the "left" has no meaning anymore. It just means everyone you don't like.

I can't speak for everyone. I am not part of the "left." But I can say that most people simply objected to was mobilization of federal resources against rioters, which was almost entirely a local and state law enforcement issue.

And even on the Left there was a wide variety opinions as to how to respond to the rioters.

tanj said:
some said it was due to "bad optics", but the calls for national guard presence were confirmed in testimony. those requests were denied.
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It's not Trump's decision. Sorry. He's not a dictator. And I thought conservatives believed in Federalism? I guess not.


tanj said:
remember when there was tear gas used? the outrage? the comparisons to violation of the geneva conventions?
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Nobody cares. Stop whining.

tanj said:
you seem to have a quite rosy picture in your remembrance of those riots.
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There were riots in every city. The vast majority of the people who protested were peaceful.

Black Lives Matter Protesters Were Overwhelmingly Peaceful, Our Research Finds | Radcliffe Institute for Advanced Study at Harvard University

The Black Lives Matter uprisings were remarkably nonviolent. When there was violence, very often police or counterprotesters were reportedly directing it at the protesters.
www.radcliffe.harvard.edu

We have 330 million people in our country. 18 million people peacefully protested during the summer of 2020.

And, yes, we had a few hundred thugs in every major city who lit a few trash cans of fire. It wasn't the end of the world. And you need to get over it. And move on with your life.
 
tanj said:
ah. I see. as a result of the actions of *your* political allies, buildings were burned, businesses destroyed and people were killed.
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The rioters are not my political allies. I don't believe in burning down buildings in protest. Nobody likes them. You keep trying to blame all of the Democratic Party for the actions of the few. But the vast majority of the Democratic Party rejects the rioters entirely. The problem is Trump supporters see somebody with black skin peacefully protesting and they automatically assume that person is going to engage in violence. That's not our fault. That's YOUR fault. You are the one with the problem. You are the one who can't tell the difference between a protester and a rioter.
 
tanj said:
considering the complete lack of threat to life the trespassers presented, I don't think that they *had* to remove themselves.
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I don't think you quite get it. The problem with January 6th was not just the violence. The problem was that white trash Trump supporters, who were mad their hero lost an election, tried to overturn Biden's victory on the basis of false allegations of election fraud. They invaded and ransacked our country's most important governmental buildings in an attempt to destroy Democracy.

That's kind of a big ****ing deal.



Have you not been reading the news. Did you not see all those Oathkeepers just get indicted with Seditious Conspiracy?


Tough shit. Tough shit my friend. Get over it and stop bitching about it.

Yes, you're right. They are trying to make a permanent majority by making it possible for as many people to vote as possible. They are doing this because they know their policies are popular and most people hate Republican policies. And it's totally legally, and Republicans are trying to do the same thing where they have power. And eventually what's going to happen, no matter what, is that Democrats are going to win. Why? Republican policies favor old white rural people and old white rural people are dying off. That's the demographic reality. And that's why Republicans are discouraging voting as much as possible. And that's why white trash Trump supporters have been throwing a hissy fit. Get over it. You already lost. You just haven't realized it yet.


No, you're just ignorant of the law. Changing the rules prior to the election to allow people to vote via mail during a pandemic is not fraud. It's a power that election boards and state election officials had. And Trump tried your argument in court and got his ass handed to him. He lost. You do not understand the law. You should not be opining on this topic. You don't know what you're talking about. Get over it. You lost. Move on with your life. Stop whining. In a big country you're not always going to get what you want. Get over it.
 
You just made a case that the trespassers were generally peaceful and not representative of real Republicans
 
tanj said:
not true? then why did they not manage to present any actual evidence to support their case?
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There was a lot of evidence in every case? Wtf are you talking about?

Just because you give Trump, your hero, every benefit of the doubt doesn't mean that the evidence presented was not evidence.

tanj said:
the mueller report at worst spoke of possible infractions.
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Obstruction of justice is not an "infraction." And while it was not proven, the investigation of Trump and his possible conspiracy with the Russian government was not a potential infraction, it was similar to the crime of Treason. So, you're fooling yourself if you think the investigation of Trump was not important. We had a right to know if Trump conspired with the Russian government. We had the right to know if Trump tried to arbitrarily shut down the Mueller investigation to protect his own hide,

tanj said:
the whole thing was based on a proven false document but was carried forth in the democrats attempt to overturn the election they lost by having trump kicked out of office.
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You are lying again. The whole thing was not based on the Steele dossier. And the dossier was not a "proven false document"

As just one example the Crossfire Hurricane investigation began BEFORE the FBI got its hands on the Steele Dossier. And something like 70% of the Steele dossier was proven to be true. So when you say the "whole thing" was based on a "proven false document" you are lying. You are just lying. No ifts, ands, or buts about it. And it's not okay to lie.

You can make a lot of good arguments against the Mueller investigation without lying. You don't have to lie. I don't know why you do it.

And just repeating the same stupid Fox News propaganda a over and over again is not persuasive, at all. You're just repeating the same bullshit propaganda you've been told to believe. It's boring.

tanj said:
im not going to rehash two failed impeachments. the results speak for themselves.
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Here's what you don't get with respect to the Russian conspiracy investigation. If we knew the outcome of investigations before investigations ever happened we'd never need to conduct any investigations. Do you get it? Do you understand? So the fact Mueller could not prove conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't mean the investigation was not legitimate.

With respect to Obstruction, there was clear evidence that Trump abused his office and obstructed justice. The problem isn't that there wasn't sufficient evidence, the problem with respect to that accusation is that Republicans just don't give a shit if a Republican President obstructs justice. They just don't care. That doesn't make it right though.

With respect to Ukraine, we know that a majority of the Senate thought Trump was guilty, but they took the perspective that voters should make the final decision:

Reading Between the Votes: 53 Senators Say Trump Guilty on the Facts

"Remember this: A bipartisan majority found that the factual allegations for Trump’s impeachment were proven."
www.justsecurity.org
 
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