In my military history class a few years ago, my professor invited a CIA case officer (also a former Marine and former student of the same class) to give a guest lecture to the class. He said it was NEVER okay to torture, and that the "ticking time-bomb scenario" (which is a one-in-a million chance contrived scenario in the first place) and for which many envision torture to be useful could be avoided if one had done their homework the right way up until that point.
To me, torture represents doing things the convenient and easy way, rather than doing things the right way. It is un-American and goes against our values. The ticking time-bomb scenario is the ONLY scenario for which I would even consider saying that torture is justified. And who's to say that the same intelligence couldn't have been obtained without torture, with a little more time and patience?
i had no idea. what have i missed on this story? my daughter got married sunday, so i haven't had time to breathe. did obama have terrorists waterboarded? btw, you're quite rude.
I agree, I disagree that waterbaording and sleep deprivation can honestly be catagorized as torture.
Waterboarding is definitely torture. I think sleep deprivation is harder to categorize. It may be inhumane, but I don't think it can honestly be categorized as torture. There are many psychological methods and tactics of interrogation that are effective, that don't involve the use of physical torture, that I approve of.
Not that I agree with gekaap, but where exactly are you getting that Obama increased the number of troops in Iraq?
Waterbaording is a training technique, how can it be torture?
waterboarding (ˈwɔːtəˌbɔːdɪŋ)
— n
a form of torture in which the victim is immobilized and has water poured on his or her face, producing a severe gag reflex, to simulate drowning
I was thinking the troop surge in Iraq was under Obama. It was under Bush. Oopsy.
Oh please....if Bush/Cheney use of torture had been effective at all, Bin Laden would have been captured years ago.
I agree, I disagree that waterbaording and sleep deprivation can honestly be catagorized as torture.
Waterbaording is a training technique, how can it be torture?
So is forced marching but it usually stops when people have had enough. The power of torture is that the victims never know when it will end.
I agree, I disagree that waterbaording and sleep deprivation can honestly be catagorized as torture.
Considering the enemy we face, I am interested in what your approach to gain information from these prisoners would be?
j-mac
Torture is used by the lazy and the slow witted, and the sadists. Can it get useful information? Yes. Equally useful information can be gained by traditional, non violent, non painful methods, used by dedicated professionals, and many professional interrogators would say it's even more reliable information. I'd rather our country's interrogators be viewed the latter not the former.
Torture is used by the lazy and the slow witted, and the sadists.
During the press briefing earlier the following took place..kind of made me giggle (note: not verbatim, but close):
Reporter: So if Osama didn't have a gun, how did he resist?
Carney: ...you don't have to have a weapon to resist...
During the press briefing earlier the following took place..kind of made me giggle (note: not verbatim, but close):
Reporter: So if Osama didn't have a gun, how did he resist?
Carney: ...you don't have to have a weapon to resist...
What do you mean by training technique? I know some specops guys are subjected to methods that are considered torture in the course of their training, like in SERE. Doesn't mean the practice isn't torture
Waterboarding | Define Waterboarding at Dictionary.com
You're made to feel like you are drowning. If not performed properly, waterboarding can actually result in permanent physical damage and even death. It most definitely is a form of torture.
Get yourself waterboarded and get back to us. Go for 60 hours without sleep and get back to us.
I've been waterbaorded...as has nearly everyone that's been through S.E.R.E.
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