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Oregon Safeway shooting: Multiple people dead after gunman opens fire at grocery store

MrNiceGuy said:
That's a fair point, at least the part where you suggest focusing on why men commit more crimes. The castration part presumes that balls cause crime.

It's also a fact that are victims of crime at higher rates than females for all types of violent crime except rape or other sexual assault. So we should also focus on the reasons crimes are committed in the first place.
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They produce testosterone, which we know can lead to aggressive behavior. The assumption is if you take away the testosterone, you take away (or, at least, reduce) the aggression and, therefore, the tendency to commit violence. It seems like a reasonable hypothesis. If we ever figure out where, specifically, the chemical trigger is and find a way to block it without turning men into eunuchs that will be a societal game changer.
 
Bodi said:
I am talking about the random ones, lone shooter walks into a mall or school and just starts shooting women and children after killing his grandma earlier in the day, kind of shit...
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Lots of people talk about the "newsworthy" shootings but ignoring all the other ones leads to skewed political narratives and, through those skewed narratives, legislation that fails to address the issues at hand.

You're rarely if ever going to nab the "Loners" and producing legislation based on the idea that every gun owner is a pending "loner" ties up a huge number of people while doing next to nothing to catch either the "loner" or the local thugs that are causing the VAST majority of the damage.
 
Lutherf said:
Lots of people talk about the "newsworthy" shootings but ignoring all the other ones leads to skewed political narratives and, through those skewed narratives, legislation that fails to address the issues at hand.

You're rarely if ever going to nab the "Loners" and producing legislation based on the idea that every gun owner is a pending "loner" ties up a huge number of people while doing next to nothing to catch either the "loner" or the local thugs that are causing the VAST majority of the damage.
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You are going off on some agenda here... I just said that the shooter/shooting sounds like a white male.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Again, if you're constantly harping on Chicago you're harping on the wrong city. We all know why people talk about Chicago though. It's not like it's stealth or anything.
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I'll take
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for $500 Mayim.
 
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Channe79 said:
People have used knives, bats, and vehicles to murder people.
On what logic do you say those should not be banned but guns should ?
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So many?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Those percentages are not likely percentages of the total population, but percentages of those within that racial/ethnic group.
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When you adjust for age and class, race is not a determining factor in crime stats. Economic class and age have always been the major determinants of who commits crimes.
 
Bodi said:
I am talking about the random ones, lone shooter walks into a mall or school and just starts shooting women and children after killing his grandma earlier in the day, kind of shit...
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You mean like the Robb Elementary Gun-Free Zone shooting in Uvalde, Texas (Salvador Ramos)? Or the King Soopers shooting in Boulder, Colorado (Al Aliwi Al-Issa)? Or the Orlando nightclub shooting (Omar Mateen)? Or the Virginia Tech shooting (Seung-Hui Cho)? Or the Ft. Hood shooting (Nidal Hasan)? Or the San Bernardino shooting (Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik)? Or the Binghamton, New York shooting (Jiverly Wong)? ❓ None of these guys were white, so it deflates your argument that "all" of these shootings are done by whites.
 
craig said:
When you adjust for age and class, race is not a determining factor in crime stats. Economic class and age have always been the major determinants of who commits crimes.
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What do you think it is about being poor that causes someone to commit a brutal murder or rape? Or to sucker punch someone on the street and put him in a coma? ❓
 
Ahlevah said:
What do you think it is about being poor that causes someone to commit a brutal murder or rape? Or to sucker punch someone on the street and put him in a coma? ❓
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They blame society for all their problems and want revenge.
 
Ahlevah said:
You mean like the Robb Elementary Gun-Free Zone shooting in Uvalde, Texas (Salvador Ramos)? Or the King Soopers shooting in Boulder, Colorado (Al Aliwi Al-Issa)? Or the Orlando nightclub shooting (Omar Mateen)? Or the Virginia Tech shooting (Seung-Hui Cho)? Or the Ft. Hood shooting (Nidal Hasan)? Or the San Bernardino shooting (Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik)? Or the Binghamton, New York shooting (Jiverly Wong)? ❓ None of these guys were white, so it deflates your argument that "all" of these shootings are done by whites.
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Oh no... you can point to some mass shootings that were not done by White Men... you win the world. Well done!
 
Channe79 said:
People have used knives, bats, and vehicles to murder people.
On what logic do you say those should not be banned but guns should ?
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Basic....logic.🤔
Knives, bats, vehicles are not specifically designed to take down a human being as efficiently as possible.
 
Kushinator said:
Yeah... psychos who constantly face assassinations on a daily basis are going to be deterred because of penalities for getting caught. Get real.
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I'm not naive enough to think that anything will deter a cartel or gang leader short of being executed or assassinated, and I really don't think we'll ever successfully lessen the illicit drug trade until we reduce demand from people who seem to relish destroying their bodies. But where does the issue of simple justice fit into your calculus, or does it? Pablo Escobar, who led what was what undoubtedly the largest cocaine cartel on the planet, was certainly deterred when he took a bullet in his head, and if his death in any way provided closure to the families of the people he murdered, it was worth it.
 
craig said:
When you adjust for age and class, race is not a determining factor in crime stats. Economic class and age have always been the major determinants of who commits crimes.
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So you say.
 
Bodi said:
Oh no... you can point to some mass shootings that were not done by White Men... you win the world. Well done!
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Yeah, who cares about forty-nine dead partyers at a gay nightclub, or 19 slaughtered grade schoolers and their teachers, right? ❓

You know, I can point to a lot more if you stop making up your own definitions and moving the goal post. The definition I'm using is the one the media keep trumpeting to members of the public when they want to pound into their heads that there may be a mass shooter coming soon to every school in America:

The United States logged 306 mass shootings with at least four injuries or deaths from the start of this year to Sunday, compared to 327 mass shootings over the same period in 2021 and 256 in 2020, according to the nonprofit Gun Violence Archive.

Mass shootings this year are on track to approach the 692 recorded in 2021, which was the highest figure since the Gun Violence Archive started tracking shootings in 2014.
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www.forbes.com

U.S. Mass Shootings Hover Near Record-Breaking Levels

As a mass shooting breaks out at a Chicago area Fourth of July parade, the United States already logged over 300 mass shootings and over 10,000 gun violence deaths so far this year, near 2021’s record numbers.
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They don't really want to get into specifics if it doesn't suit them. They'd rather just disingenuously try to confuse people into believing that hundreds of deranged (mostly white) young men are running into shopping malls and schools across the country committing mass mayhem, rather than the truth that most of the mass shootings they're holding up as "Exhibit A" are the result of the typical gang violence that's been plaguing underclasses neighborhoods for decades. These "journalists" are convinced that it's their duty to use every tool at their disposal, including manipulating "facts" or utilizing questionable, biased sources, if it will effect "social change," in this case by disarming the public.
 
TomFitz said:
Well, we already know that fewer and weaker ones do not.

But then, gun nut nation wants us to take mass shootings for granted.
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Absolutely untrue.
Stop trying to speak for other people
 
Ahlevah said:
I'm not naive enough to think that anything will deter a cartel or gang leader short of being executed or assassinated, and I really don't think we'll ever successfully lessen the illicit drug trade until we reduce demand from people who seem to relish destroying their bodies. But where does the issue of simple justice fit into your calculus, or does it? Pablo Escobar, who led what was what undoubtedly the largest cocaine cartel on the planet, was certainly deterred when he took a bullet in his head, and if his death in any way provided closure to the families of the people he murdered, it was worth it.
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His cartel continues on in earnest
 
Ahlevah said:
You do realize that blacks are 13% of the population of this country but commit half of all the murders? That's not racist. It's just a fact. So I'm not really surprised you'll have a higher murder rate in New Orleans, which is almost 60% black, than in, say, Burlington, Vermont, with a black population under 6%.
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so our gun problem is on the blacks now?
 

How the shooting unfolded​

"Miller said police received multiple calls of shots fired around 7 p.m. at the Forum shopping center in northeast Bend.

The gunman entered from an apartment complex behind the shopping center, Miller said. He moved through the parking lot while firing rounds from an AR-15-style rifle before entering the Safeway.

Once inside, he shot a customer -- Glenn Edward Bennett -- who died while being taken to the hospital, Miller said.

The gunman continued to make his way through the store before having an altercation with and fatally shooting Donald Ray Surrett Jr., Miller said.

"As our officers responded, they entered Safeway while shots were still being fired. They found the apparent shooter dead inside Safeway," Miller said.

An AR-15 and shotgun were found near the gunman's body, Miller said. Bend police did not fire any shots, she said."
 
CaughtInThe said:
so our gun problem is on the blacks now?
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Violence is a young poor male problem.

~50% of violent crime is committed by ~5% of the population: young poor black males.
~50% of violent crime is committed by ~5% of the population: young poor white males.

~99% of the violent crime is committed by ~10% of the population: young poor males.

As you might expect, young poor males of the power majority need someone to point at. They can't point at females. So, we get half the story from them and black people (not even black males but people or "culture") are blamed for violent crime.

I've seen the crime stat racist bs for decades.

"Do you deny the stats?!"

No, I deny their racist and dumbass interpretation.
 
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