Oregon mandates abortion coverage

[vegas giants]

It would be rather silly to list something which wasn't a human being as a homicide victim, wouldn't you say?

I agree it is a very silly law

 

[Removable Mind]

You consider fetuses equivelent to viruses. That doesn't help your case in the slightest.

Insurance companies would have to make their abortion benefits comply with the provisions in both Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood vs Casey 1992.

 

[Tigerace117]

Only when a crime has committed been against the woman who was pregnant at the time the crime occurred.
It is the states interest not the fetuses interest that recognizes the violation of the feticide or UVVA law .

Oh, "only" when a crime has been committed. Like a homicide.

Still not as impressive as you seem to think.

 

[Tigerace117]

I agree it is a very silly law

Congratulations on your opinion. You have no actual influence in lawmaking though, for which we can all be thankful

 

[Tigerace117]

A woman can certainly kill.both

Only problem, buddy, is that they aren't the same thing. Or even close.

 

[FutureIncoming]

So when the government takes money from you by force that is you deciding to put your money where you mouth is? Interesting.

NOW YOU ARE PRESENTING A DIFFERENT FALLACY. I'm sure there is something that you approve government expenditures on. FEMA, perhaps? National Defense? So why do you blather as if all your tax money gets spent on things you don't want, instead of things you do want? There is no way your tax money can cover all of what the government spends on things you like! There's plenty of folks who do want the things you don't want, and it is easy to imagine that their tax money pays for those things!

The only way you get to take moral credit for an act of good will is if you go out and help people with your time and money on your own free will.

THAT'S CERTAINLY A PLUS, but not actually "the only way".

 

[vegas giants]

Only problem, buddy, is that they aren't the same thing. Or even close.

I never said they are the same thing. Just that they have some things in common

 

[minnie616]

It would be rather silly to list something which wasn't a human being as a homicide victim, wouldn't you say?

Well technically it is not homocide.

In the case of state laws it is feticide and the federal law it is unborn victim.

 

[Tigerace117]

PER THE SCIENTIFIC DATA, IT DOES NOT. Only the Law arbitrarily declares that at birth a human animal becomes a human person. Do note that the Law existed long before any scientific data about personhood was discovered. One of the reasons I tell abortion opponents that their goal is idiotic is because lawmakers today tend to pay attention to relevant scientific facts. That mean that if the law assigning human personhood at birth gets changed, it might get changed to allow infanticide, instead of to ban abortion!


THEY NEVER HAD OBJECTIVELY VERIFIABLE FACTS ON THEIR SIDE. A dolphin is more likely to qualify as a person than any unborn human!


IT HAS ITS USES. This particular writing style, while posting anonymously, is deliberate.


HAW! HAW!! HAW!!! I have Objectively Verifiable Facts on my side, and abortion opponents have nothing but Stupid Prejudice, Stupid Hypocrisy, Bad Data, Bad Logic, and other idiocies. (I'm the author of those linked documents, which I wrote partly to avoid repetition here, and partly because they mostly don't fit in the space allowed for posting here.)

Nope, you have random Capitalization on your side.

Your hypothetical is "nice", but still, at best, a hypothetical. I rather doubt anybody would allow infanticide.

Yep, Dolphins certainly qualify in the "occasional random sadism" category. Otherwise.,...

 

[Tigerace117]

Well technically it is not homocide.

In the case of state laws it is feticide and the federal law it is unborn victim.

If the woman is also killed it would definitely be a homicide.

 

[Henrin]

NOW YOU ARE PRESENTING A DIFFERENT FALLACY. I'm sure there is something that you approve government expenditures on. FEMA, perhaps? National Defense? So why do you blather as if all your tax money gets spent on things you don't want, instead of things you do want? There is no way your tax money can cover all of what the government spends on things you like! There's plenty of folks who do want the things you don't want, and it is easy to imagine that their tax money pays for those things!

No, I don't support FEMA. Anyway, I don't take moral credit for those things I don't do or things that rely on force. It's silly to say an immoral act gives you moral credit anyway.

THAT'S CERTAINLY A PLUS, but not actually "the only way".

You have to do something to help others yourself in order to take moral credit for it.

 

[Tigerace117]

I never said they are the same thing. Just that they have some things in common

You attempted to create an equivalence between the two.

Oh, and on another note, I rather doubt that the majority of viruses are caused by deliberate actions.

 

[FutureIncoming]

I sure hope you don't think a virus and human life is comparable.

TO THE EXTENT THAT BOTH QUALIFY AS "LIFE", then they both selfishly act to take resources from their surroundings to make copies of themselves. Are you suffering from Stupid Prejudice?

 

[minnie616]

If the woman is also killed it would definitely be a homicide.

True , but the death of the fetus is feticide, or an unborn victim depending on if the state law or the Federal law is being used to prosecute the criminal.

 

[vegas giants]

You attempted to create an equivalence between the two.

Oh, and on another note, I rather doubt that the majority of viruses are caused by deliberate actions.

I simply said they share similarities

 

[FutureIncoming]

No, I don't support FEMA.

DOESN'T MATTER, so long as there is some Government expenditure that you do support.

Anyway, I don't take moral credit for those things I don't do or things that rely on force.

DID I NOT ELSEWHERE/PREVIOUSLY DIRECT YOU TO THE CONSTITUTION? It starts out with "We the People", and includes granting Congress the power to collect taxes. Therefore, if you support the Constitution, you cannot legitimately claim you are forced to pay taxes. (And if you don't support the Constitution, why are you here, arguing about US abortion laws?)

It's silly to say an immoral act gives you moral credit anyway.

IT'S SILLY TO CALL ANYTHING "MORAL". Because morals are Arbitrary, and therefore someone else is free to call that thing "immoral"!

You have to do something to help others yourself in order to take moral credit for it.

IT CAN BE ARGUED THAT IF YOU TAKE CREDIT, THEN YOU DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO IT FOR OTHERS. Which can lead to the interesting conclusion that, by participating in something you might not like, which nevertheless helps others, you acquire more credit than if you tried to take credit for it!

 

[jdog21]

Abortion is a medical issue. Its not performed by plumbers

Breast implants are a medical issue to performed by doctors but do you think that insurance companies should cover that too and be subsidies by everyone else?

 

[jdog21]

Wonderful. So why should women pay for male only issues?

They pay for Vasectomies so they dont have to have their tubes tied, its a win win

 

[FutureIncoming]

Nope, ...

DENIAL OF FACT GETS YOU NOWHERE. Just like it makes it impossible for abortion opponents to win the Overall Abortion Debate.

Your hypothetical is "nice", but still, at best, a hypothetical.

IT IS ALSO HYPOTHETICAL that lawmakers will totally ignore scientific fact and ban abortion. Except that every time they do that, it gets squashed by the Constitution. Are you aware that the Founding Fathers made it quite plainly obvious that they did not consider unborn humans to be persons? That Legal Precedent far precedes Roe v Wade!

I rather doubt anybody would allow infanticide.

IT WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE SENSE JUST TO LET SLEEPING DOGS LIE. Abortion opponents should shut their yaps, therefore.

Yep, Dolphins certainly qualify in the "occasional random sadism" category.

YOUR MERE CLAIM IS WORTHLESS WITHOUT EVIDENCE. Why should anyone believe your blather, eh?

Otherwise.,...

HERE IS A QUESTION FOR YOU: "If you were visiting a modern well-equipped medical laboratory, and some madman with a machete cut your head off in an attempt to murder you, but rescuers arrived in time, would you want them to save your headless human body, or save your severed head (and we do have the tech for either, else no one would be contemplating human head transplants), to save YOU-the-person?"

 

[vegas giants]

Breast implants are a medical issue to performed by doctors but do you think that insurance companies should cover that too and be subsidies by everyone else?

No. Pregnancy can kill you. Lack of breast implants can't

 

[jdog21]

No. Pregnancy can kill you. Lack of breast implants can't

Thats why abortions should only be performed if the mothers life is at risk and not for any other reason.

 

[vegas giants]

Thats why abortions should only be performed if the mothers life is at risk and not for any other reason.

They should be performed because they cause disability for the woman every time.

 

[Henrin]

They pay for Vasectomies so they dont have to have their tubes tied, its a win win

Ok? So how does that speak towards all women? For example, how does that apply to post menopausal women or gay women?

 

[Henrin]

They should be performed because they cause disability for the woman every time.

The abortions cause disability?

 

[jdog21]

They should be performed because they cause disability for the woman every time.

Having a child causes disability for women every single time? You are crazy.
Women can stay on the pill or practice safe sex or practice abstanance then they wont have to get pregnant either. When you create a life you have responsibilty to care for that life.