Oregon mandates abortion coverage

[vegas giants]

The abortions cause disability?

Pregnancy does. At least for 9 months

 

[vegas giants]

Having a child causes disability for women every single time? You are crazy.
Women can stay on the pill or practice safe sex or practice abstanance then they wont have to get pregnant either. When you create a life you have responsibilty to care for that life.

Pregnancy causes disability. In the US a woman bears no responsibility for a non viable fetus

 

[jdog21]

Pregnancy causes disability. In the US a woman bears no responsibility for a non viable fetus

The fetus is still her responsibility and only a doctor can determine if the fetus is viable not the patient. Did your mother some how have a disability after having you?

 

[vegas giants]

The fetus is still her responsibility and only a doctor can determine if the fetus is viable not the patient. Did your mother some how have a disability after having you?

No its not. She need not provide for it in any way. And state law determines viability

 

[jdog21]

Pregnancy does. At least for 9 months

How so my wife worked while she was pregnant so no disability there

 

[vegas giants]

How so my wife worked while she was pregnant so no disability there

If she was a firefighter would she be put on desk duty with the other disabled people?

 

[jdog21]

No its not. She need not provide for it in any way. And state law determines viability

Yes is it, Heres a fact for you. If a mother places here newborn baby in a dumpster and leaves and that baby dies, the mother is charged with the murder of that child.
Fact, if a parent of a 4 year old decides to not care for a kid and that kid dies the parent is charged with murder. The laws of america say you have a respnsibility.

 

[jdog21]

If she was a firefighter would she be put on desk duty with the other disabled people?

If a female fire fighter breaks her leg she is put on desk duty to. The responsibility is to not break your leg and dont get pregnant if you dont want to be put on desk duty.

 

[vegas giants]

If a female fire fighter breaks her leg she is put on desk duty to. The responsibility is to not break your leg and dont get pregnant if you dont want to be put on desk duty.

I agree. Breaking your leg is another disability

 

[jdog21]

I agree. Breaking your leg is another disability

Then you should understand the responsibilty part as well. Its her fault for breaking her leg and its her fault for getting pregnant. When you act irrespnsible you then have to deal with the consiquences of your actions.

 

[Henrin]

If she was a firefighter would she be put on desk duty with the other disabled people?

I would think a pregnant firefighter would be smart enough to know she could lose her child if an accident happens on the job. I would think if she was smart she would actually volunteer to be put on desk duty to avoid any possible harm to her child.

 

[Scrabaholic]

I am explicitly stating why his attempt to claim that a fetus is equivalent to a virus is such a stupid claim.

You replied to my post that merely said that zefs are no people. If you are addressing someone else's claim, you should quote them and not someone who did not say what he said.

 

[chuckiechan]

Oregon has now made it MANDATORY for every insurance company to cover abortion (and birth control and vasectomies). I think this is long overdue and we need to repeal the Hyde Amendment and make this nationwide. Thoughts?

I'm fine with that. The fewer Oregonians the better.

 

[Removable Mind]

If the woman is also killed it would definitely be a homicide.

Actually, the woman can survive and the fetus dies, and it's could still considered a homicide. The catch is that the death occurs during a commission of a crime, which doesn't have to be directly related or aimed at killing the fetus - or in some cases not directly related to the pregnant woman or the fetus. They can both be bystanders.

There is a special definition in the unborn victims act, for all stages of the yet to be born, without granting any stage personhood rights and continues to protect women who have legal abortions.

 

[FutureIncoming]

Having a child causes disability for women every single time? You are crazy.

YOU ARE EXHIBITING IGNORANCE. While pregnancy does not cause every woman to experience morning sickness, they all do suffer from such things as back pain and pains in feet/ankles, especially near the end of the full term of pregnancy. You are not thinking about women generally being smaller than men, so a significant weight gain can be more significant for them than for men --imagine YOU gaining 25% more body weight in just a few months!

Women can stay on the pill or practice safe sex or practice abstanance then they wont have to get pregnant either.

MOST OF THEM WILL DESIRE OFFSPRING IF THE CONDITIONS ARE RIGHT. And **none** of them will know for sure how seriously pregnancy can affect them, before trying it at least once.

When you create a life you have responsibilty to care for that life.

TELL THAT TO A CLASSIC MAD SCIENTIST. You have made the sort of Positive Claim that can be required to be supported with Objectively Verifiable evidence. Against your idiotic notion is the Fact that, In Nature There Is No Such Thing As A Right To Life. The entire concept of "right to life" is a tool humans created in order to better get-along with each other --but that last thing is no something unborn humans are able to consciously participate in. They exist to serve themselves, and they act worse than any parasite while serving themselves.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Oregon has now made it MANDATORY for every insurance company to cover abortion (and birth control and vasectomies). I think this is long overdue and we need to repeal the Hyde Amendment and make this nationwide. Thoughts?

Inusrance companies should not be required by the government to cover anything. the consumer should decide what they want covered and the only thing the state should be involved in is determining the insurer has adequate reserves to pay for claims.

 

[vegas giants]

Then you should understand the responsibilty part as well. Its her fault for breaking her leg and its her fault for getting pregnant. When you act irrespnsible you then have to deal with the consiquences of your actions.

Does that mean no treatment for the broken leg? Lol

 

[vegas giants]

I would think a pregnant firefighter would be smart enough to know she could lose her child if an accident happens on the job. I would think if she was smart she would actually volunteer to be put on desk duty to avoid any possible harm to her child.

She is not offered the choice. She is disabled due to a meical condition

 

[vegas giants]

Yes is it, Heres a fact for you. If a mother places here newborn baby in a dumpster and leaves and that baby dies, the mother is charged with the murder of that child.
Fact, if a parent of a 4 year old decides to not care for a kid and that kid dies the parent is charged with murder. The laws of america say you have a respnsibility.

Those are people....not fetuses

 

[minnie616]

Having a child causes disability for women every single time? You are crazy.
Women can stay on the pill or practice safe sex or practice abstanance then they wont have to get pregnant either. When you create a life you have responsibilty to care for that life.

I do not agree because artifical birth control can fail , and using birth control is saying no, I do not want to become pregnant.

Currently there is no artifical birth control that is 100 percent failproof.

Over 65 percent of US women of childbearing years do use artificial birth control consistently and correctly and that is not including women who cannot become pregnant due to a medical condition or a medical procedure.

 

[minnie616]

The fetus is still her responsibility and only a doctor can determine if the fetus is viable not the patient. Did your mother some how have a disability after having you?

A fetus does not become viable until about 23 to 24 weeks gestation.

As a women whose kidneys were damaged and who became so anemic from pregnancy complications during my first pregnancy that the doctor had the delivery room set up for a full blood transfusion because he was afraid I might bleed to death during delivery I can say I became disabled during my pregnancy.

My daughter got HELLP syndrome ( a severe varient of eclampsia that can kill the pregnant woman ) and was close to dying when doctors preformed an emergency c-section a few weeks before her delivery date.

So yes , I am aware pregnancies can take a wrong turn suddenly and someone you love may suddenly be in a life threatening situation.

 

[minnie616]

How so my wife worked while she was pregnant so no disability there

I became so ill during my first pregnancy , I could not work.
In fact except for doctor's visits I was home bound.

My husband did all the house work , cooked all his meals , drove me to the doctors appointments and supported me financially, physically and emotionally throughout my pregnancy.

 

[jaeger19]

Thats why abortions should only be performed if the mothers life is at risk and not for any other reason.

Who determines the amount of risk. Who determines what risk exists and how much?

Do you want your daughter to be told by a judge that "sorry but you only have a 65% chance of death.. and to have an abortion you need a 66% chance of death to qualify".

Do you think that's the governments decision to set that arbitrary limit?

If not.. then whats the purpose of the law?

 

[jdog21]

Who determines the amount of risk. Who determines what risk exists and how much?

Do you want your daughter to be told by a judge that "sorry but you only have a 65% chance of death.. and to have an abortion you need a 66% chance of death to qualify".

Do you think that's the governments decision to set that arbitrary limit?

If not.. then whats the purpose of the law?

When a doctor says you will have a normal birth and they dont suspect any complications, then why should we allow an abortion in those cases?

 

[vegas giants]

When a doctor says you will have a normal birth and they dont suspect any complications, then why should we allow an abortion in those cases?

Because the woman wants one