Or Why Not?

[missypea]

You have an opportunity to serve on a committee for a charity. You think you can make a difference on this committee. However, there is also a scum serving on this committee.

This scum can be the neighbor down the street who beats his wife or William Ayers or whoever you want it to be (but he/she must be SCUM).

Do you serve on the committee or do you decline?

Why?



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[Tashah]

I could only conclude that something is drastically wrong with the vetting process and internal oversight. If they care so little of their public reputation, they would no doubt care even less about mine. Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I'd serve on the committee and do everything in my power to negate the "scum's" power.

 

[Tucker Case]

I'd serve even if Bill Ayers was on the commitee!!!

 

[jallman]

No because I would not serve on a committee that was uncommitted to it's integrity. If there is scum, like William Ayers, serving on the committee, my faith that the committee could actually accomplish anything of worth would be greatly diminished.

Obama, obviously, didn't feel the same way. Good, or bad if McCain pounds it like he should, for Obama.

 

[Tucker Case]

No because I would not serve on a committee that was uncommitted to it's integrity. If there is scum, like William Ayers, serving on the committee, my faith that the committee could actually accomplish anything of worth would be greatly diminished.

Obama, obviously, didn't feel the same way. Good, or bad if McCain pounds it like he should, for Obama.

How many committees have you served on? I've been on a bunch and sometime with pieces of **** I couldn't stand. To tell the truth I actually care more about the final result than the personal comfort being in proximity with the person brings. Most of the charities I've worked on have been personal charities for people within my community so I tend to know most of the other members.

There was one in particular I couldn't even be in the same room with normally (still can't), but I got over myself in favor of helping the charity.

 

[jallman]

How many committees have you served on?

About a half dozen or so in the past year alone. Law firms do everything by committee.

I've been on a bunch and sometime with pieces of **** I couldn't stand. To tell the truth I actually care more about the final result than the personal comfort being in proximity with the person brings. Most of the charities I've worked on have been personal charities for people within my community so I tend to know most of the other members.

There was one in particular I couldn't even be in the same room with normally (still can't), but I got over myself in favor of helping the charity.

I would not voluntarily serve on a committee with people I found morally reprehensible. I don't care what the committee was supposed to accomplish.

 

[Tucker Case]

I would not voluntarily serve on a committee with people I found morally reprehensible. I don't care what the committee was supposed to accomplish.

Why is that?


What I mean is, what if the organization had a noble cause in mind and the morally reprehensible person was a foremost expert in that field and the morally reprehensible part of their persona was completely unrelated to the charity or would not come up. Why would their behavior in an unrelated sector of society prevent you from giving your time to the charity?

 

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

I've been in this position. People rarely have a clue who is on the board until they actually arrive at a meeting. I've found myself sitting on boards with people I found personally distasteful several times. You just have to get a grip and do the best thing for the cause.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

There are many folks who are scum that walk amongst us every day and we are unaware.

Jesus tried to stay away from scum and other folks who needed His help so I would too. Iirc, the Christian example is to stand around in a circle with the choir.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

There is a thing called honor and integrity.... If you understand these things you would see why it would be impossible to serve with a terrorist unrepentant terrorist.

 

[Tucker Case]

There is a thing called honor and integrity.... If you understand these things you would see why it would be impossible to serve with a terrorist unrepentant terrorist.

I disagree, Rev.

I believe That a portion of that honor and integrity means you put aside your own biases in order to achieve the greater good. If I am on a charity before hand, performing acts for years prior to the inclusion of the person whom I find repugnant, I will not forsake the charity because I disagree with their choice of people. Perhaps he is trying to make amends now. I don't know, and I don't care. If he messes with the charity, and tries to promote **** I disagree with, I'll be better placed to prevent it by remaining where I am.

That's integrity and honor in my eyes. Choosing the uncomfortable and undesirable path for the greater good.

Especially if it was a committee that I was on for years before the scumbag arrived.

 

[jallman]

I disagree, Rev.

I believe That a portion of that honor and integrity means you put aside your own biases in order to achieve the greater good.

Ohhh, how much evil has been achieved in the name of "the greater good"?

If I am on a charity before hand, performing acts for years prior to the inclusion of the person whom I find repugnant, I will not forsake the charity because I disagree with their choice of people.

That's not what happened with Obama. Obama was invited by the repugnant person to take part in this "charity".

Perhaps he is trying to make amends now. I don't know, and I don't care. If he messes with the charity, and tries to promote **** I disagree with, I'll be better placed to prevent it by remaining where I am.

Or you could do the right thing and just not lend credibility to his shenanigans to start with.

That's integrity and honor in my eyes. Choosing the uncomfortable and undesirable path for the greater good.

Especially if it was a committee that I was on for years before the scumbag arrived.

Well now that would be an entirely different situation, now wouldn't it?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I disagree, Rev.

I believe That a portion of that honor and integrity means you put aside your own biases in order to achieve the greater good. If I am on a charity before hand, performing acts for years prior to the inclusion of the person whom I find repugnant, I will not forsake the charity because I disagree with their choice of people. Perhaps he is trying to make amends now. I don't know, and I don't care. If he messes with the charity, and tries to promote **** I disagree with, I'll be better placed to prevent it by remaining where I am.

That's integrity and honor in my eyes. Choosing the uncomfortable and undesirable path for the greater good.

Especially if it was a committee that I was on for years before the scumbag arrived.

So its cool that the Hells Angels run guns and drugs, but you would serve on a committee with some of them because they do cancer runs?



Me? I would find a different charity.


And if that different charity brought in a scum like ayers I would resign and find another.


Honor and integrity.

 

[missypea]

I'd serve on the committee and do everything in my power to negate the "scum's" power.

Exactly.

I believe That a portion of that honor and integrity means you put aside your own biases in order to achieve the greater good.

That's integrity and honor in my eyes. Choosing the uncomfortable and undesirable path for the greater good.

Yep, just like this quote:

‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’

I can't say it wouldn't bother me to serve on a committee with people who I found ethically or morally repulsive but what purpose do I serve by turning my back on the possibility of achieving a better outcome?

I've never believed that doing nothing would better serve my community.

How is that possible?

Is it better to donate/volunteer at the soup kitchen with people who are just trying to expand on their resume or to walk away and let people go hungry?

Is it better to serve on a charity that assists troubled teens find a better way in life with people who are crooked businessmen or to walk away and let those children be guided by the people you find repugnant?

......and finally, if you are able to serve on a committee for a charity to achieve better outcomes for that charity......but you don't serve because there is one or two or three people who are rotten on that committee how do you reconcile that in your head or your heart?

I don't get it.


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[Tucker Case]

Ohhh, how much evil has been achieved in the name of "the greater good"?

Ahh I can do that too. How many licks does it take to get to the Tootsie roll center of a tootsie roll pop?

The question you ask is irrelevant because the determination of engaging with the charity was already accepted prior to the discovery of the committee member in question. The deed does not become less "good" because of the discovery of a distasteful member of the committee.

If you ask a rhetorical, make it relevant.

That's not what happened with Obama. Obama was invited by the repugnant person to take part in this "charity".

With regards to the Woods fund. Obama started in 1993. Ayers got there in 1999. Do you have evidence to support that the repugnant person sent the invite?

Or you could do the right thing and just not lend credibility to his shenanigans to start with.

How does working for a common goal lend credibility to his "shenanigans"? Is charity the shenanigans to which you refer?

Why don't you show me why it is the "right thing" to leave the charity. I don't see it that way.

Well now that would be an entirely different situation, now wouldn't it?

How so?

 

[jallman]

Ahh I can do that too. How many licks does it take to get to the Tootsie roll center of a tootsie roll pop?

We're done. I am in no mood for smartass, smarmy bull**** today.

 

[Thorgasm]

There is a thing called honor and integrity.... If you understand these things you would see why it would be impossible to serve with a terrorist unrepentant terrorist.

We have had scumbags here before. Hypothetically speaking, would you refuse to be a mod here if one of the mods was a scumbag?

 

[Thorgasm]

So its cool that the Hells Angels run guns and drugs, but you would serve on a committee with some of them because they do cancer runs?



Me? I would find a different charity.


And if that different charity brought in a scum like ayers I would resign and find another.


Honor and integrity.

What about Bush 41 having a charity with Bill Clinton?

Does that mean that Clinton has honor and integrity?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

We have had scumbags here before. Hypothetically speaking, would you refuse to be a mod here if one of the mods was a scumbag?

:shock: I won't even touch that with your cod piece and Lerxst pushing.... :2wave:

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

What about Bush 41 having a charity with Bill Clinton?

Does that mean that Clinton has honor and integrity?

No Bush 41 was a doofus new world order goofball. Try again.

 

[Lightdemon]

We're done. I am in no mood for smartass, smarmy bull**** today.

2 points for being a hypocrite and a cop-out.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

We have had scumbags here before. Hypothetically speaking, would you refuse to be a mod here if one of the mods was a scumbag?

Should one stop posting here @ DP if one of the members was a scumbag?

No one should join the military because some of the members are scumbags.
Well, no one with honor or integrity - as the rev says - should join the military or continue to associate with it because some of the millions of people involved in the military are unsavory sorts.

One bad apple spoils the whole bushel and all that.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Should one stop posting here @ DP if one of the members was a scumbag?

No one should join the military because some of the members are scumbags.
Well, no one with honor or integrity - as the rev says - should join the military or continue to associate with it because some of the millions of people involved in the military are unsavory sorts.

One bad apple spoils the whole bushel and all that.

So then why don't you join Al Qaeda since you know, some of its members are "bad" and you agree with them on some of thier points about American interventionism.

Dirka dirka..... :roll:

 

[Thorgasm]

So then why don't you join Al Qaeda since you know, some of its members are "bad" and you agree with them on some of thier points about American interventionism.

Dirka dirka..... :roll:

Way to abandon all logical consistency.

It's the cause of the group that is paramount. Bad apples exist everywhere.