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Operatation: "Just let him speak" going splendidly

For all p but we're not in the clear yet. It'll still likely be a very tight race.
Sorry, I don't agree with this at all. The avalanche of momentum is clearly on Harris side. The convention will provide added boost. The debate will hammer it down, and then Trump's sentence will cause the fat lady to sing.

Unless an unthinkable event happens, this election is over.
 
Sorry, I don't agree with this at all. The avalanche of momentum is clearly on Harris side. The convention will provide added boost. The debate will hammer it down, and then Trump's sentence will cause the fat lady to sing.

Unless an unthinkable event happens, this election is over.

I guarantee you nobody in the Harris-Walz/Democratic party campaign universe agrees with that take.
 
Far more violence from the left the last eight years. One would have to be purposefully blind not to admit this reality. All you have is "the Plane, the Plane!!" of the 6th. Nothing in comparison to the extreme violence of the left with the inauguration of Trump in Jan. 2017, the riots/insurrection of the summer of 2020, and the open talk of assassinating Trump.

I do love the knee jerk response. The Left was way worse. So let’s compare and contrast shall we?

Let’s say that the idiots rioting in Portland were successful. Somehow. Let’s say they even manage to destroy the city. Somehow. You know with rocks and bottles. What would be the net effect on the nation? I mean other than as an object lesson for the future? Basically. Nothing. Oh the insurance companies would demand a bailout, and get it. But the net harm to the nation would be zip.

Let’s say that the MAGA types got everything they wanted on January 6. What would be the net harm to the nation? Oh a few dozen dead liberal politicians. Nancy Pelosi. That idiot AOC. Maybe even Pence. No certification of the election on the deadline by the Constitution. And the future of the nation literally up to chance.

But why stop there? Let’s continue to compare shall we? The rioters in Portland show up without any phones or other identifying devices. They’re smart enough to know that stuff can be tracked. They’re dressed in similar if not matching black clothing and wearing masks. There is little or nothing identifying about their dress. So if they are caught by the police, they can swear they didn’t throw any rocks or bottles. Their lawyer will show grainy video and ask the cops to identify which black clothing wearing masked individual is the defendant.

The only people not wearing masks and carrying electronic equipment is press, medical, or legal aide. They have identification and are happily recording so they can show their clients, current and future, abused by the cops for the lawsuits.

Back to the MAGA. They’re carrying phones and recording themselves committing crimes. They’re wearing distinctive clothing and taking selfies to memorialize their actions. The cops didn’t need much more than a Facebook account to identify nearly all the MAGA types, they were literally posting the evidence online.

When the rioters in Portland are caught they shut the **** up. When the MAGA types are caught they rant and rave about the stolen election and how their actions were justified by that.
 
I do love the knee jerk response. The Left was way worse. So let’s compare and contrast shall we?

Let’s say that the idiots rioting in Portland were successful. Somehow. Let’s say they even manage to destroy the city. Somehow. You know with rocks and bottles. What would be the net effect on the nation? I mean other than as an object lesson for the future? Basically. Nothing. Oh the insurance companies would demand a bailout, and get it. But the net harm to the nation would be zip.

"Object lesson for the future? Basically nothing.".....Nah, you're not partisan, are you?

Let’s say that the MAGA types got everything they wanted on January 6. What would be the net harm to the nation? Oh a few dozen dead liberal politicians. Nancy Pelosi. That idiot AOC. Maybe even Pence. No certification of the election on the deadline by the Constitution. And the future of the nation literally up to chance.

Literally, was not going to occur....you're in fantasy land.

But why stop there? Let’s continue to compare shall we? The rioters in Portland show up without any phones or other identifying devices. They’re smart enough to know that stuff can be tracked. They’re dressed in similar if not matching black clothing and wearing masks. There is little or nothing identifying about their dress. So if they are caught by the police, they can swear they didn’t throw any rocks or bottles. Their lawyer will show grainy video and ask the cops to identify which black clothing wearing masked individual is the defendant.

The only people not wearing masks and carrying electronic equipment is press, medical, or legal aide. They have identification and are happily recording so they can show their clients, current and future, abused by the cops for the lawsuits.

Back to the MAGA. They’re carrying phones and recording themselves committing crimes. They’re wearing distinctive clothing and taking selfies to memorialize their actions. The cops didn’t need much more than a Facebook account to identify nearly all the MAGA types, they were literally posting the evidence online.

When the rioters in Portland are caught they shut the **** up. When the MAGA types are caught they rant and rave about the stolen election and how their actions were justified by that.

Sounds like, according to you, the left is far more experienced at lawlessness.
 
This mindset will bring an abundance of post-election violence when Trump wins again. This extreme political tactical operation of dehumanizing opposition is a grave danger to this country. Claiming to love democracy, it is destroying our Republic. The idea of bringing candidates together to discuss policies is about obsolete, for today it's who has the most money to destroy the opposition in the public arena. This is NOT America.

That's not what happened last time though is it? That's not who went off the chain on Jan 6.

It's the righties and their little pisswank "militias" that are all hankering for a thecond thivil woar. Bring it on, like last time, and we'll sit back and watch them all get their fat airsoft-clad asses thrown in jail - again.

You and I both know neither will happen. Trump is gonna lose. He's gonna cry and ask you for money. The left sure ain't gonna riot, and neither will his MAGA suckers because they all learned their lesson last time and can't afford to piss off the parole board.
 
That's not what happened last time though is it? That's not who went off the chain on Jan 6.

It's the righties and their little pisswank "militias" that are all hankering for a thecond thivil woar. Bring it on, like last time, and we'll sit back and watch them all get their fat airsoft-clad asses thrown in jail - again.

You and I both know neither will happen. Trump is gonna lose. He's gonna cry and ask you for money. The left sure ain't gonna riot, and neither will his MAGA suckers because they all learned their lesson last time and can't afford to piss off the parole board.

A Trump win, the left will go absolutely berserk. Hell, they already are, and it will be far worse this time. Everyone knows the left are far more prone to violence, for they only project 'peace and love', but they do what they do best.....lie.
 
"Object lesson for the future? Basically nothing.".....Nah, you're not partisan, are you?



Literally, was not going to occur....you're in fantasy land.



Sounds like, according to you, the left is far more experienced at lawlessness.

Ok. I live in Georgia. If Portland is destroyed by rioters, how exactly will that affect me? Anyone in Georgia? Anyone east of the Mississippi? Anyone outside of Oregon? Effect on the nation? Basically nothing. If there was such an effect from a city collapsing then there would be serious Federal and National attention on rebuilding Detroit. But there isn’t is there?

Detroit’s collapse hasn’t done anything to the nation has it?

No one was talking about killing politicians?


As far as more experienced with lawlessness. Perhaps they actually know the law.

Long before this my advice to people was always the same. Never talk to police. All you will do is talk your way into trouble. Shut the **** up and get a lawyer. But idiots like to think they are smart, or right, and hey, they like cops so of course the cops like them.

Now it isn’t my fault that the January 6 folks were stupid. It isn’t my fault that they were ignorant of the laws. And considering how many cop shows there are on TV you would think at least some of them would talk to a lawyer. But Lawyers are the enemy. They’re Liberals and educated and everyone knows College just teaches people group think. Or something. Probably CRA faithful.

Dumb crooks all have one thing in common. The dumb crook thinks he is smart. No matter how often they are caught they still think they are smart.

Now you are annoyed because you know I’m right. The idiots on Jan 6 were dumb as rocks. I mean seriously dumb. First they fell for the idiotic stolen election nonsense. Second they thought the idea of bum rushing Congress and stomping cops was smart. Then they have the insane idea that it isn’t fair for the FBI to find their pictures and videos they posted online to prove they did this. They even kept the clothes they were wearing that day. The distinctive MAGA and Proud Boys nonsense.

These guys aren’t heroes. They’re idiots. They are half a step from being dumb enough to strap explosives to themselves and becoming not so smart bombs.
 
Ok. I live in Georgia. If Portland is destroyed by rioters, how exactly will that affect me? Anyone in Georgia? Anyone east of the Mississippi? Anyone outside of Oregon? Effect on the nation? Basically nothing. If there was such an effect from a city collapsing then there would be serious Federal and National attention on rebuilding Detroit. But there isn’t is there?

Detroit’s collapse hasn’t done anything to the nation has it?

Lol, next time the left loses their minds, become violent, and begin destroying cities across the country, we should just let them burn it all down. No fire dept. help, no police.....just let the crazy people have their way. Afterall, it's not going to effect you in any way......let the cities burn. Portland, LA, NY, Chicago, Waco, Atlanta, SF.....allow the idiots to destroy every city, for who cares. Yeah, great attitude you have.....:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

No one was talking about killing politicians?


As far as more experienced with lawlessness. Perhaps they actually know the law.

Long before this my advice to people was always the same. Never talk to police. All you will do is talk your way into trouble. Shut the **** up and get a lawyer. But idiots like to think they are smart, or right, and hey, they like cops so of course the cops like them.

Now it isn’t my fault that the January 6 folks were stupid. It isn’t my fault that they were ignorant of the laws. And considering how many cop shows there are on TV you would think at least some of them would talk to a lawyer. But Lawyers are the enemy. They’re Liberals and educated and everyone knows College just teaches people group think. Or something. Probably CRA faithful.

Dumb crooks all have one thing in common. The dumb crook thinks he is smart. No matter how often they are caught they still think they are smart.

Now you are annoyed because you know I’m right. The idiots on Jan 6 were dumb as rocks. I mean seriously dumb. First they fell for the idiotic stolen election nonsense. Second they thought the idea of bum rushing Congress and stomping cops was smart. Then they have the insane idea that it isn’t fair for the FBI to find their pictures and videos they posted online to prove they did this. They even kept the clothes they were wearing that day. The distinctive MAGA and Proud Boys nonsense.

These guys aren’t heroes. They’re idiots. They are half a step from being dumb enough to strap explosives to themselves and becoming not so smart bombs.

Dressed all in black, no cell phones, don't speak makes them smart?.....lol, they are idiots, just sneaky idiots.
 
A Trump win, the left will go absolutely berserk. Hell, they already are, and it will be far worse this time. Everyone knows the left are far more prone to violence, for they only project 'peace and love', but they do what they do best.....lie.

The 'left' sulked over Clinton's loss.

The Right stormed congress.
 
The 'left' sulked over Clinton's loss.

The Right stormed congress.

False. Violent riots on inauguration day Jan. 2017. An attempted coup began under the Obama/Biden administration, culminating to a three year long misinformation campaign and the Hillary campaign along with the DNC colluding with Russia in an attempt to destroy the Presidency of Trump at the onset. It was the worse 'transition' of power in the history of America.

The 6th is the left's hissy fit, similar to Tattoo's declaration of "The Plane!, The Plane!" from the TV show "Fantasy Island". It was set up to give the left photo and video psyops to use politically, as they have since.
 
False. Violent riots on inauguration day Jan. 2017. An attempted coup began under the Obama/Biden administration, culminating to a three year long misinformation campaign and the Hillary campaign along with the DNC colluding with Russia in an attempt to destroy the Presidency of Trump at the onset. It was the worse 'transition' of power in the history of America.

The 6th is the left's hissy fit, similar to Tattoo's declaration of "The Plane!, The Plane!" from the TV show "Fantasy Island". It was set up to give the left photo and video psyops to use politically, as they have since.

Sorry who attempted a violent overthrow on January 6th?

That little short bastard from Fantasy Island? I'm lost in your inane flailing.
 
The 6th is the left's hissy fit, similar to Tattoo's declaration of "The Plane!, The Plane!" from the TV show "Fantasy Island". It was set up to give the left photo and video psyops to use politically, as they have since.

The left setup J6 and arranged for Trump to attend his campaign rally and to call for his supporters to march on Congress and it was the left that left the rally and marched on Congress as a riotous mob storming the capital in an attempt to interfere with the counting of the electoral votes.

If the DEM Illuminate is that good at manipulating Trump and his own supporters maybe they should be in charge. 🤔

WW
 
Sorry who attempted a violent overthrow on January 6th?

There was no violent overthrow of our government on the 6th......you are shouting, "The Plane, The Plane!", better get off of Fantasy Island.

That little short bastard from Fantasy Island? I'm lost in your inane flailing.

The left's depiction of the 6th is a 'fantasy', hence Tattoo from the TV show 'Fantasy Island'......thought that was apparent.
 
The left setup J6 and arranged for Trump to attend his campaign rally and to call for his supporters to march on Congress and it was the left that left the rally and marched on Congress as a riotous mob storming the capital in an attempt to interfere with the counting of the electoral votes.

If the DEM Illuminate is that good at manipulating Trump and his own supporters maybe they should be in charge. 🤔

WW

The rally on the 6th was set far in advance. It gave them plenty of time for the planning of their photo/video psyop. Most being manipulated by the propagandists, cherry pick a few pics/videos to form the forced narrative. Then ignore the other videos, eyewitness accounts, even going so far to dismiss/discredit them, in favor of the left's narrative.

They rioters on that day, were stupid enough to be manipulated and herded onto Capitol grounds. Once there packed in tight, the plan began. Simultaneously, they fired upon the peaceful crowd while on the other side of the bldg. were removing barriers and permitting them to enter unimpeded. Cameras everywhere, they got their hearts desire. Two died from the flashbang grenades, one woman while unconscious on the ground was beaten to death, and another shot when unnecessary. They even went so far to form the false narrative of officer Sicknick being bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher to further cement the narrative. Withheld the autopsy for months.

The real idiots are the ones who after all this time still believe the initial false narrative of the propagandists, lol. Seriously how can people be this stupid.
 
The maggot really can't help himself. He's a one trick pony and his trick is plummeting his poll numbers. He's begging for more debates, a sure sign of a candidate facing the abyss.


If he wasn't such a colossal douche, I'd almost feel bad for the geriatric brain addled guy.
I go by RCP which give Harris an 0.8-point lead or by 538 who gives Harris a 2.3-point lead.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...4/trump-vs-harris-vs-kennedy-vs-stein-vs-west

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/

Both sites average out all the most recent polls which tends to eliminate the outliers or at least diminishes any outlier poll numbers. The Times/Siena poll seems to fall into the outlier category with its 8-point Harris lead. But I agree that the best thing that the democrats can do is just let Trump be Trump. Let him be himself and let him remind voters as to why they voted against him in 2020. Trump has one obnoxious, rude, crude persona along with his 4 year old spoiled brat mentality of name calling and throwing temper tantrums adding on his 3rd grade schoolyard bully tactics, he’ll defeat himself.
 
The rally on the 6th was set far in advance. It gave them plenty of time for the planning of their photo/video psyop. Most being manipulated by the propagandists, cherry pick a few pics/videos to form the forced narrative. Then ignore the other videos, eyewitness accounts, even going so far to dismiss/discredit them, in favor of the left's narrative.

They rioters on that day, were stupid enough to be manipulated and herded onto Capitol grounds. Once there packed in tight, the plan began. Simultaneously, they fired upon the peaceful crowd while on the other side of the bldg. were removing barriers and permitting them to enter unimpeded. Cameras everywhere, they got their hearts desire. Two died from the flashbang grenades, one woman while unconscious on the ground was beaten to death, and another shot when unnecessary. They even went so far to form the false narrative of officer Sicknick being bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher to further cement the narrative. Withheld the autopsy for months.

The real idiots are the ones who after all this time still believe the initial false narrative of the propagandists, lol. Seriously how can people be this stupid.

I agree, Trump supporters were stupid that day.

(Well they were stupid for supporting a New York con man before that day, but lets limit ourselves to J6.)

WW
 
Lol, next time the left loses their minds, become violent, and begin destroying cities across the country, we should just let them burn it all down. No fire dept. help, no police.....just let the crazy people have their way. Afterall, it's not going to effect you in any way......let the cities burn. Portland, LA, NY, Chicago, Waco, Atlanta, SF.....allow the idiots to destroy every city, for who cares. Yeah, great attitude you have.....:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:



Dressed all in black, no cell phones, don't speak makes them smart?.....lol, they are idiots, just sneaky idiots.
So you ask the political affiliation of people doing those things, each and every one of them before you make such a decision? Does that sound like a reasonable thing to do to you?
 
The rally on the 6th was set far in advance. It gave them plenty of time for the planning of their photo/video psyop. Most being manipulated by the propagandists, cherry pick a few pics/videos to form the forced narrative. Then ignore the other videos, eyewitness accounts, even going so far to dismiss/discredit them, in favor of the left's narrative.

They rioters on that day, were stupid enough to be manipulated and herded onto Capitol grounds. Once there packed in tight, the plan began. Simultaneously, they fired upon the peaceful crowd while on the other side of the bldg. were removing barriers and permitting them to enter unimpeded. Cameras everywhere, they got their hearts desire. Two died from the flashbang grenades, one woman while unconscious on the ground was beaten to death, and another shot when unnecessary. They even went so far to form the false narrative of officer Sicknick being bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher to further cement the narrative. Withheld the autopsy for months.

The real idiots are the ones who after all this time still believe the initial false narrative of the propagandists, lol. Seriously how can people be this stupid.
Speaking of "false narratives of the propagandists", refer to the post I'm quoting here.
 
The rally on the 6th was set far in advance. It gave them plenty of time for the planning of their photo/video psyop. Most being manipulated by the propagandists, cherry pick a few pics/videos to form the forced narrative. Then ignore the other videos, eyewitness accounts, even going so far to dismiss/discredit them, in favor of the left's narrative.

They rioters on that day, were stupid enough to be manipulated and herded onto Capitol grounds. Once there packed in tight, the plan began. Simultaneously, they fired upon the peaceful crowd while on the other side of the bldg. were removing barriers and permitting them to enter unimpeded. Cameras everywhere, they got their hearts desire. Two died from the flashbang grenades, one woman while unconscious on the ground was beaten to death, and another shot when unnecessary. They even went so far to form the false narrative of officer Sicknick being bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher to further cement the narrative. Withheld the autopsy for months.

The real idiots are the ones who after all this time still believe the initial false narrative of the propagandists, lol. Seriously how can people be this stupid.
You convinced me. Trump held a kegger, nothing more than that.
 
I agree, Trump supporters were stupid that day.

(Well they were stupid for supporting a New York con man before that day, but lets limit ourselves to J6.)

WW

Yeah, just like the idiots on the inauguration day in Jan 2017 and the idiot felons committing arson and looting during the summer of 2020. Let's focus on these idiots. The 6th has been overplayed from the gullible who fell for the false narrative.
 
Speaking of "false narratives of the propagandists", refer to the post I'm quoting here.

Yeah right.....you're a Jan. 6 Commission junkie, if I remember. Whole damn thing's a joke. Like a goober, yahoo convention, drawing in all the weird ones.
 
You convinced me. Trump held a kegger, nothing more than that.

Keep your head in the sand. The false narrative is more fun. You got a moment in time to cherish the rest of your life.

I'm not trying to deflect blame, for they shouldn't have entered Capitol grounds, herd mentality took over which made them easily manipulated and maneuvered around. Crowd control techniques were well in place and used to achieve the objective......it worked.
 
I am waiting for him to have a total meltdown
You know he is behind the scenes, and we've heard before that his meltdowns are insane with 3rd grade antics like throwing food. Yeah, he is a psychological disaster, and it's getting worse for him by the day. Let's elect that again.:oops:
 
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